The war drums are beating again as I hear rumbelings of reinstating the draft. Would the possibility of the draft becoming a reality soon give this wonderfull military administration the green light to expand the war into Iran? I am appalled that these great leaders we currently have are not listening to the majority of the people of this country. A referendum has been passed via last november's elections to stop the war and bring the troops home. Our King says no & he knows what is best for us. I guess our great King Bush has other plans. I hope the Great and Almighty censors agree with the wording of this post.
Yes, well in a True Democracy that would be the expected norm. But, Our King George, has told the American people after the November elections, which was a majority mandate to ending the Iraq war, that he knows what is best for the American people. Consequently he has sent in more troops, demanded more money for the war, & has vowed to continue to fight this War dispite what the American people want. A War that he and his court along with the media's help, has fabricated through manufactured information. He pretty much has told the Congress and the American people..I am the KING and I will do what I want to do when I want to. Don't be surprised if Hostillities break out with Iran, The King declares a National Security Emergency and suspends the 2008 Presidential Elections. After what we have seen from this Administration, that is not outside the rhelm of possibilities. Watch PBS with Bill Moyers on April 25th, I believe from 9PM to 10:30 Pm. It's about the frabrication of lies to promote war with Iraq, by the Bush Gang with the help of the Media. Never in the History of this Nation has one man possessed so much power. His arrogance speaks volumes of what his true intentions are. Don't be fooled..If he decides that the Draft will benifit his agenda..then it will happen. It's like his lap dog Cheney recently said, he is the "Commander In Chief" the Congress can not stop him in a time of War. Probably the underlying reason to go to war in the first place..the first steps for his father's..New World Order mandate. We are living in a historical time..the beginning of the end of American Democracy!
I'm wondering how long the Bush Administration will be able to sustain the war effort withouta draft. They can't just keep making the tours longer and sending the troops back sooner. At some point the Army is going to break down, from a readiness standpoint.
Pat's Back..Yea I'm kinda worried about the Draft returning. I was 19 when the draft was put in during the Viet Nam War. It was a tulmutuious time for us back then. It's Deja Vu all over again. My son will be 19 this October..my wife is extremely worried. Another War with no end in site, being fought for what purposes. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was the catalyst for the expansion in Viet Nam..a Bogus spark for a manufactured war back then. My generation suffered tremendously. I have friends that have had a lifetime of problems as a result of that war. As you know I am opposed to the war in Iraq..another Bogus war..Why? What is the real reason for us going into that country? Saddam had control over his country and did not allow foriegn terror groups on raqi soil..He also kept Iran in check. What a mess. Civil unrest, student protest, economic disruption, and Government gridlock will be the results of the coming showdown between this Arrogant Dictitorial administration & the American people. The big problem is that this nation is already devided politically, economically, racialy, and socially more than the days pror to the last Draft and expansion of military expansion. I feel it will be far worst than the opposition of the late 60's and early 70's. It certainly will have a major bearing on how this nation emerges from the chaos than will soon ingulf our society. We must end the war in Iraq bring our troops home and repair our military and our social fabric here at home. There are so many issues domestically that need attention..Energy needs,pollution,Immigration, national security, the murder and crime rate, education, sealing up our pourus borders..and most of all finding competent leadership from local leaders all the way up to the White House. Our nation is not well. We need to put the whole nation into ICU for some serious changes in our form of government. Quasi Democracy is not working, justice for some, not for others, Capitalism overtaking and changing our constitution to benefit the elite and the wealthy. I thought I would never see in my lifetime this nation sink to the depths it has. The bad part about it is I'm afraid we still have a lot of sinking to go before reality sets in and extreme measures will have to be taken by some entity hopefully our congress to turn things around. eems like the American people have no voice anymore. As a person who has studied history, especially the rise and fall of Great powerfull nations. I feel we are unfortunately on course that parallels the downfall of some of the great Empires of the past. Sad..Again I hope I am wrong..but as a nation we can not continue to support & sustain this kind of incompetence coming from illegitimate leadership we currently have in place.
Wow, I know I am sounding off like some kind of revolutionary. I don't mean to sound that way, But.. I am passionate about the welfare of Our Nation, Our Kids, Our future. The Draft would be just another opportunity to expand conflict when we should be trying to shut down all of the violence. I talk to some of these teens that come around the house , my son's friends. They have no idea what the war in Iraq is all about. They kinda know about the Afgan war with the Taliban and it's connection to 9-11, but they are not exactly sure why we are still there either. I can't explain to them what the War in Iraq is all about... because I don't know why we are there myself. Now if the Government is going to start drafting kids to go overthere and die they are going to have to explain what they are going to be dieing for. Propaganda is not going to work since most teens don't trust adults to start with, and the Bush Administration, in the eyes of the kids I speak to, are not to be trusted. I think that anyone that continues to support this war mongering leadership, has some serious issues with their own level of intelligence. Our Military is broken, we need to bring the troops home, and overhaul the whole Military establishment. Urban warfare is not our forte'. There is probably a better way to fight terror than offering up our youth and treasure as sacrifices for Democracy. We are not going to find those answers by staying the course, or expanding the same policy through the draft. What we need to do is to draft some New intelligent leadership & get rid of the stay the course leaders we currently have. We need to first Draft a New Commander In Chief before we ask for more sacrifice from our nations youth!
Koonism: hey, there's nothing wrong with sounding like a revolutionary (was it Jefferson who said we should have revolution every 25 years?) Your comment about the military establishment needing an overhaul is interesting--Rumsfeld apparently was trying to do that, though by all accounts he did a pretty lousy job. I think we need a foreign policy overhaul as well--unilateral military action, occupying other countries, and fighting guerilla wars never seems to work out very well for superpowers, especially for the U.S. I don't think it's very smart for our political leaders to misuse our troops by putting them in drawn-out situations where they don't have a good chance at succeeding. If we have to use force, it should be with international cooperation, and quick in-quick out.
btw, on an unrelated subject, check out the "Living with Cancer" forum if you get a chance. That's TK's next show. I'm trying to do some stuff on the economics and politics of cancer.
I will look into the cancer program. hey I will be away for a short period. We are starting our late Spring recording sessions beginning this coming week. Let me slide a little advertisement here. I will be launching the website for music downloads through the web host Broadjam. My website is koonmusik.com It is up and online, but we have not up loaded the music or the Pics out of the library and archives yet. Target date is May 1st. I'll try to get back on the forums by the end of next week. We have about 4 weeks of Track work to complete on the new songs. Trying to knock out about 6 songs.less final mix and editing. We will do the same thing again in Early october..twice a year. Later, Koonism
According to this Washington Post article, the CIA predicted in August 2002 that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would turn into a complete mess, and actually stimulate a global surge in terrorism. Too bad the Bush Administration chose to ignore that warning. The U.S. should never have gone into Iraq at all.
Hey, back from the sessions, actually just a break for a few days. Pat K. why has the forum activity slowed? Sooo Liberman wants the U.S. to attack Iran, I wonder what he is putting into his coffee besides cream and sugar? How much power & influence does the Pentagon have over the executive branch anyway? War! War! War!.. We are starting to take on the trappings of Nazi Germany & Imperial Japan of the late 1930's. We need to shut down the American War Machine, and stop trying to Bomb our way into peace. What a Bunch of idiots we have intrusted in leading our nation. Absolute incompetent crackpots! Politics, greed, incompetence, and corruption is destroying our way of life...not Al Queda! Proof is in the pudding..being Rich, stupid and a prolific lier these days is a pre-requesite to being elected to office. It's no wonder this nation is on the skids.
Hi Koonism and welcome back. I think activity in this forum has slowed a bit because more people were going to the "Living with Cancer" forum. (That was TK's last program.) We now have a new forum going for TK's next program, which is on prisons. I hope that you'll check it out.
Prisons uhm..my dad told me before he passed that one day all of the good people will have to be behind bars and walls to protect them from the masses of bad people. Anyway 2 more weeks of studio work and as Arnold would say .." I'LL BE BACK ".
ask not what your country can do for you but what can you do for your country
by the way what was your part in the Viet-Nam conflict?
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Originally posted by koonism: Pat's Back..Yea I'm kinda worried about the Draft returning. I was 19 when the draft was put in during the Viet Nam War. It was a tulmutuious time for us back then. It's Deja Vu all over again. My son will be 19 this October..my wife is extremely worried. Another War with no end in site, being fought for what purposes. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was the catalyst for the expansion in Viet Nam..a Bogus spark for a manufactured war back then. My generation suffered tremendously. I have friends that have had a lifetime of problems as a result of that war. As you know I am opposed to the war in Iraq..another Bogus war..Why? What is the real reason for us going into that country? Saddam had control over his country and did not allow foriegn terror groups on raqi soil..He also kept Iran in check. What a mess. Civil unrest, student protest, economic disruption, and Government gridlock will be the results of the coming showdown between this Arrogant Dictitorial administration & the American people. The big problem is that this nation is already devided politically, economically, racialy, and socially more than the days pror to the last Draft and expansion of military expansion. I feel it will be far worst than the opposition of the late 60's and early 70's. It certainly will have a major bearing on how this nation emerges from the chaos than will soon ingulf our society. We must end the war in Iraq bring our troops home and repair our military and our social fabric here at home. There are so many issues domestically that need attention..Energy needs,pollution,Immigration, national security, the murder and crime rate, education, sealing up our pourus borders..and most of all finding competent leadership from local leaders all the way up to the White House. Our nation is not well. We need to put the whole nation into ICU for some serious changes in our form of government. Quasi Democracy is not working, justice for some, not for others, Capitalism overtaking and changing our constitution to benefit the elite and the wealthy. I thought I would never see in my lifetime this nation sink to the depths it has. The bad part about it is I'm afraid we still have a lot of sinking to go before reality sets in and extreme measures will have to be taken by some entity hopefully our congress to turn things around. eems like the American people have no voice anymore. As a person who has studied history, especially the rise and fall of Great powerfull nations. I feel we are unfortunately on course that parallels the downfall of some of the great Empires of the past. Sad..Again I hope I am wrong..but as a nation we can not continue to support & sustain this kind of incompetence coming from illegitimate leadership we currently have in place.
I helped stop the War, saved lives. I was a Hippy, an anti war protester...like I am today..and I'm proud of it. I was called in for the Draft..and I went..I had allergetic Broncial Asthma..was deemed 4-F.. I tried to Join the Navy to serve my country early on but was turned down because of 4-F status. I did qualify prior to the 4-F status for OCS officer canidate school because of my High IQ in the mental testing portion..What's your IQ? Viet Nam another trumpted up War for the Republicans Eisenhour got us involved in that one by coming to the aid of the SOB French Leader Charles "did nothing during WW2" Deguall. If France would have relinqueshed their colonial strong hold on Indo China there would not have been a Viet Nam War. When my friends came home from combat and told me of the futility of winning the war in Viet Nam I began protesting the war right besides those that served and were dissillusioned when they returned. They were fed so much Propaganda and B.S. while they were in Theatre, ( the War in Viet Nam), that when they came home they begin to see the waste of lives for what it was..Beaucratic B.S. and politics...like what it is today in this war. My Daughter and son has dusted off my old Peace flags and are waiting in the wings of protest. It's coming soon to a town near you..make no mistake..you need to pick your medicine either way it won't be nice. By the way I am prowd of the fact I never killed anyone and I have been commendate not once but twice for saving lives while working in the oil fields of the Gulf of Mexico. Hey I'm at least + 2..How many people's lives have you saved. It's a great feeling to know that folks survived accidents because of ones personal actions. I don't know what it would be like to kill someone. I know that the x Viet Nam friends I have that were in combat and killed people suffer from Big Time Mental problems even those that saved lives while killing. What kind of memories you want to take to the grave? If things don't change soon in this country..you going to see a lot of Paul Reveres on their horses spreading the word of R.
My previous post was censored..But I'll tell you..I was an anti war Hippie protester that helped end the Viet Nam War. A war that some historians should not have been fought. Even Def. Sec. Mc Namarra expressed the fact that they he the Pentegon the Administration's got it all wrong..58,000 of my generation dead..probably 75% of the rest that served became mentally ill..THeir mental illness affected their families their Mothers and Fathers, their Brothers and Sisters, their Wives their Children and now their Children's children. War's casulties has a lasting effect on a society's health. Don't lecture me on the virtues of WAR Pal! You wanna be brainwashed..fine..don't try to drag the intelligent people of our Nation into your Myopic beliefs..your beating a drum with a hole in it! War, what is it good for?
Ha ha.. Well Pat,I guess you could say we are both involved in the continuation of an informal education. At least thats what I get out of it. I certainly injoy the exchange.
