Could I ask how many of you watched band of brothers or the first fourtyfive minutes of saving pvt ryan? and I've heard no complaints about body parts flying all over the screan in the two shows mentioned.I spent two years in viet nam(21 Jan,1965 to 18 Jan 1967 I know it's only 23 months 3 weeks and 5 days so call me a liarfor 2 days)my point being I saw things like that happen and I think that is obscene.Two guys in body bags doesn't bother me.I was wondering did anybody get the name of the guy that was holding the gun to that kids head to make him do the interview.
You saw what you wanted to see,the reason you watch the show is to see people die.You're like the people that watch auto racing they don't watch to see who wins,they watch hoping to see a wreck.As far as the families are concerned,Why were they watching the show? Well I'm off my soapbox so quit your complaining,you got to see what you wanted to see SO DEAL WITH IT!

Thank you for your service dutchb. I wasn't there but I still care.

I didn't complain about Full Metal Jacket or Apocolypse Now because there wasn't a forum like this then, and they were clearly made up activities (although based on absolutely real events)by known actors and as far as I know none of them died in making the MOVIE.
I appreciate your service, but if you really mean it when you said "two guys in body bags don't bother you" then it is clear that Nam hurt you very badly.
The actual documenting of the events of the F/V Ocean Challenger was trajic and horrifying.

As to your comment about watching car racing and other dangerous activities, like air shows and skydiving, I have been there and done them and I know I didn't do it on the chance that I might die, and the people watching are there for the race, the competition. Some have the dark side upermost in their heads, but most do not.
Peace

well death is a reality of life. DC covers the life and death of crab fishermen. Crab fishing is dangerous it would be unfair and biased to air a show on reality of a dangerous life and then not cover it. It is doing what any news documentary would do. It is like saying I was shocked to watch a world war II documentary and see dead bodies on it. Of course they are going to show it. People like you ladycrabby have no sense and are always crying about something, trying to censor things because you do not believe in it. Well , to bad, just like you have a right to state your opinion , it is DC and viewers right to broadcast or view what they would like , that is a fundamental right in the USA and most civilized nations. Back to world war II, the Nazis started of by burning books.

I support Discovery Channel for showing this episode and do not feel that they exploited the dead fishermen in any way. There's a reason why it's called "Deadliest Catch" and, other than the Amazing Race, Deadliest Catch is probably the best reality show that is mostly uncensored, just as it should be. It shows us just how dangerous being a fisherman is and they're not going to sugarcoat anything. I have a lot of respect for these guys (and gals).

I like the way that DC covered the incident . It's the Real World out there and death is a part of it .Exploitation I think not .You can't sugar coat it . It is what it is . Three men lost their lives and I feel that there was no other way to tell the true story . What if that interwiew had saved another crew member's life ? Or another searching crew from harm . Or taking survival suit practice more seriously . My heart goes out to the families of those who died .

this was one of the most poigniant moments of the whole series.... how dare you want a candy coated version of the true version. these people risk their lives every year for vegas buffets... and this is the reality of it.... put on your survival suit, and put it on fast.... that is what happens.. that episode is a true testament to what these good men face, and what the coast guard does, when their duty calls for it... and what happens when you dont go emergency when the time calls for it... get up off your hemmoroid pillow, and smell reality.

Agreed with the others, it's a dangerous gig. IMHO they cover both the good and the bad quite well.

I do not think DC exploited the tragedy. They showed what really happened and respectfully covered the bodies of those who did not make it. I can only say that by showing the covered bodies that those families got a body to have a funeral and closure. What breaks my heart even more is the ones who did not get a body back.

As for the hypothermic survivor, the show is demonstrating how bad it really is even in a survival suit. It also showed how efficient and what a fast response the Coast Guard has.

I can say because of this show, I have the uttermost respect for the Coast Guard and the Fishermen who put their lives in jeopardy everyday.

Spectria, no disrespect intended but have you ever served in the armed forces or been in the medical field? I have done both and picked up my share of bodies and held the dying ones close to comfort them. I believe that what dutchb was trying to say (he can correct me if I am wrong) is that once you have been exposed to a lot of bodies whether in body bags or not, it has a numbing effect. You deal with it on your own or with a group later. The men who died on the Ocean Challenger knew that there serious consequences (with the posibility of death) when they took their jobs. They lived their lives fishing and died doing what they enjoyed. We mourn the loss of those brave souls, our hearts and prayers go out to the families and DC did a wonderful job in relating the seriousness of taking such a job. There are a lot of other shows that obtain ratings and viewers by exploiting tragedies but I sincerely believe that DC is not one of them.

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originally posted by catryhni
Posted 04-26-07 04:28 PM
Spectria, no disrespect intended but have you ever served in the armed forces or been in the medical field? I have done both and picked up my share of bodies and held the dying ones close to comfort them. I believe that what dutchb was trying to say (he can correct me if I am wrong) is that once you have been exposed to a lot of bodies whether in body bags or not, it has a numbing effect. You deal with it on your own or with a group later. The men who died on the Ocean Challenger knew that there serious consequences (with the posibility of death) when they took their jobs. They lived their lives fishing and died doing what they enjoyed. We mourn the loss of those brave souls, our hearts and prayers go out to the families and DC did a wonderful job in relating the seriousness of taking such a job. There are a lot of other shows that obtain ratings and viewers by exploiting tragedies but I sincerely believe that DC is not one of them.

Wellllll catryhni,
I don't think we are on the same wavelength here. No respect back, but If you are alive and human, you have to keep your perspective, and that is, being human.

I was a Volunteer Firefighter and I was a certified EMT for 6 years. I had a one personal save and a couple not. I saw alot of really ugly stuff, but I don't allow myself to get used to it. It takes work to continue to be shocked each time I read or see that "6 soldiers were killed near Baghdad" and always react with "what happened to them, what were their names, each individually". I will never want to hear just a number.
What I was saying to the dutchb who stated: [/B]Two guys in body bags doesn't bother me[/B] was that he came away from Nam hurt very deeply, and it stole some of his humanity if the scene in the DC episode of the body bags coming out of the chopper. "didn't bother him"

You go on to say that DC covered the scene well and I have never disagreed with that...

I did, however take offense to DC leaving us (viewers) hanging for a week not knowing how the 3 unsaved faired. That was pure editing choice and I still say UNETHICAL. Show or no show, it was wrong to play upon our hearts and minds that way just to try and manipulate us to "tune in next week". AS IF! (as if any of us would miss it anyhow!)

One last thing, I wish and hope that people stop using thier position or experience in life to elevate thier opinion above others. It's useful to get perspective from anyone, we all have minds and we all make choices from our experience. If someone voices theirs, and it SEEMS to lack experience, there is always a gently way to reply with an alternate thery or opinion, without puffing out one's chest and espousing their million years of experience standing on their head in the face of 100 mph gail winds in -0 weather, while singing a sailing song.

I meant "no DIS-respect back", sorry

No DISrespect taken Spectria. I was not trying to elevate myself above the rest of the posters.(I don't recall using my years of experience or what I did exactly for a living.) I was merely trying to take a point, given in an area that I had experience in and make some sense out of it. I value everyones opinions and I believe that each are intitled to make a point in what they seem is the best way. It may seem crude to others that a few of us do not voice our pain and anger towards the death of others and instead we chose to say that it does not bother us. It comes from being human also. You adapt ways to cope with humanitarian anguish that is portrayed all around the world. It does not mean that I do not question who those individuals were or how are their familes coping. It merely mean that I chose not to voice that out loud. I still see the faces and ask the what ifs...but because I deal with it differently, does that make me less human?

Hey catryhni,
I will have to try and be more specific.
I didn't like that you asked about my possible military service or medical service. I took that to question that without that experience I could not understand the pain someone else may not chose to express. You didn't mean that, my mistake.

So I quoted my experience, but only to you. Everybody else who saw it should forget they saw it, cause I was only telling you so that you would see that I can relate. I say that not as saracism, but because I really don't want to be seen as, or come from a place of me know, you don't.

And I was not trying to say that you were elevating yourself. Some do, so I said it. I will be more careful with my replies in the future. I am always learning.

And I do appreciate that everyone experiences and expresses their feelings and emotions differently. Remember now, I'm a guy, so it ought to be a little bit of a relief to some that I can even express my feelings at all

And since you are most likely correct that dutchb never said he didn't care about those men, I apologise to him. I just know from my experience that any war/conflict/tragedy is very traumatic.

My son just completed his 4 years with the US ARMY, 82nd Airborne, 313th MI (Military Intellegence, and in his case it's true)Battalion, Charlie company. He had a close call
in December '03 when a furniture truck (yea, right) blew up on entry into his base in the Green Zone. I have pics, but I can't post them here. He was 15 feet from the event, sitting in a PORT-O-Potty. I love those things now. It split the thing, reshaped it, he lost all his hearing for a month and got a scratch on his finger. They renamed the Head "Fort Lenny"

He is different now.... but still my boy.

PS, because of my training him at home, he became THE furniture maker, and got high praise for his skills!!!! He even wrote me an e-mail from IRAQ thanking me for making him learn all that "stuff" he hated me for before because it was coming in real handy over "here" and to say that he was about to keep his perspective, and put the Generals and Leutenants stuff on hold while he went over to a "cute little PFC's" bevouac to "install" a shelf for her. THAT'S MY BOY!!

yeah. i dont think they exploited anyone with this episode. it was one of the most pogniant parts of the episode.. sorry if i shot my mouth off a little bit... just thinking about it makes me sad ... the buffet aint cheap.. in new orleans its 35 bucks.. and those crab legs are delicous... it is a lesson... i tell you what this summer im going to be doing extra survival suit drills...

Ok ya all.. i'm going to add just a couple of facts.
1. they interview the man rescued RIGHT AWAY (always) to find out what happened, because, although they had him in the chopper he was NO WAY out of danger yet and could have still passed away. So they need to know what happed ASAP.

2. There is NO POSSIBLE way they were able to put names and footage on the show without everyone concerned having signed a waiver. Including the Coast Guard. If they did not have all this taken care of (for every show) they would be sued up the ying-yang!!

I kinda agree with the post that didn't like the cliff hanger of 'check in next week to see who survived and who didn't'.

I always want more crabbing and interaction of the crews.

Kathi

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Originally posted by sedrofan:

I kinda agree with the post that didn't like the cliff hanger of 'check in next week to see who survived and who didn't'.

Kathi

Well that happen with the sinking and searching for the surrviors of the Big Valley. Nobody complained about that like they are doing with the OC.

Danger and death is the whole premise of the show.

deadliest catch is not the same show that it was. it is abhorrent that they use the prospective loss of life to advertise this show. shame on them and shame on the captains that signed up for this kind of show.

Does that mean you changed the channel ?