ok, so this is my first time posting, and i just have to say this...i am sure that i will get some "heat" but whatever. i have watched the episodes may times...i still have this one in the tivo. yes it is a sad thing that the lives of the men on the ocean challenger were lost. yes this is a show about crab fishermen, and that thier job is dangerous. but if i rememeber correctly, the ocean challenger was not a fishing vessle it was a car carrier and they were hit in that storm. things can happen at anymoment on the water, i know this. weather or not they were on a f/v vessle or trasporting cars, i don't think it was ok for us to have to wait to see if there were anyother surviors...
**this is just what i think. i am a wife of a sailor, and i worry all the time, no he is not a "fisherman" but we are fisher people, as in we do fish on the weekends, and we are out in the ocean, we are by the shipping lanes in washington state...
Originally posted by norwegianlady26: ok, so this is my first time posting, and i just have to say this...i am sure that i will get some "heat" but whatever. i have watched the episodes may times...i still have this one in the tivo. yes it is a sad thing that the lives of the men on the ocean challenger were lost. yes this is a show about crab fishermen, and that thier job is dangerous. but if i rememeber correctly, the ocean challenger was not a fishing vessle it was a car carrier and they were hit in that storm. things can happen at anymoment on the water, i know this. weather or not they were on a f/v vessle or trasporting cars, i don't think it was ok for us to have to wait to see if there were anyother surviors...
**this is just what i think. i am a wife of a sailor, and i worry all the time, no he is not a "fisherman" but we are fisher people, as in we do fish on the weekends, and we are out in the ocean, we are by the shipping lanes in washington state...
Hi norwegianlady26, nice to meet you and read your first post, hope to hear from you more. The Oceans and even the Great Lakes are amazing when angry, I feel for your worries about your Hubby.
Actually the Ocean Challenger was a Fishing Vessel. Their mayday was relayed by a car carrier.
hey norwegian lady, where are you? i am in aberdeen. and re nicole, isn't she capn tilley's daughter from the aleutian ballad, i believe they are from the westport area.
My favorite cousin lost his life on a boat in Alaska. The reality of death needs to be shown otherwise these young boys watching the show would think of the money and excitement and not the reality that with those all comes the risk of death. I think seeing the un bagged bodies would have been in bad taste, not the bags. Also if you saw the most recent show, the man who was airlifted had his face blurred. That leaves me to assume the rescued fisherman gave his consent to his face being shown. Also it was most likely the Coast Guard who he was telling his tale to. Being a rescue worker myself I know we want to get their tale as soon as possible since that is when everything is fresh, details fade as you calm down.
Originally posted by kccomment: mesabi-ore, what a wonderful informative post! I went to that site...I love information like that...factual. Keep on rockin'!
Thanks kc. Appreciate it. I look all around the internet.
I edit Pacific Fishing magazine, which is based in Seattle and covers commercial fishing on the West Coast and Alaska.
I have heard from people who are upset about the use of the capsizing of the F/V Ocean Challenger by the Discovery Channel’s Deadliest Catch. It seems to me that such use not only is dishonest (because the Ocean Challenger wasn’t a crabber) but an attempt to profit from the tragedy of others. Especially egregious is the fact that the channel didn’t inform relatives of the victims of before next-of-kin saw the death scene on television.
Originally posted by ccloud45: this was one of the most poigniant moments of the whole series.... how dare you want a candy coated version of the true version. these people risk their lives every year for vegas buffets... and this is the reality of it.... put on your survival suit, and put it on fast.... that is what happens.. that episode is a true testament to what these good men face, and what the coast guard does, when their duty calls for it... and what happens when you dont go emergency when the time calls for it... get up off your hemmoroid pillow, and smell reality.
It's all well and good for non-industry viewers to sit back, watch the show, and learn a little about an industry you don't know about: but, you all need to learn some respect for the dead. You say you like it because it's not sugar coated. I say you wouldn't like it if you knew the crew members.
I lost a friend on the Ocean Challenger, he was a great guy, funny, a hard worker, and far too young to die.
Everyone who works on a fishing boat, particularly a crab boat, knows there is a chance you aren't making it back to shore. This is a reality in our industry. That doesn't mean that shot should have been used.
Spectria, you say you wish people wouldn't use their experience to elevate their opinions. I say you don't know what you're talking about. You all watch this show and get captivated by how gritty it is, how real it is, then you feel that you can judge something like this, or for that matter, most things in the industry. This is not an area where any opinion is valid, because opinions not based in experience aren't valid.
Lastly, how dare you even hint at the fact that you don't think these men did what they were trained to do when they had to do it. "What happens when you don't go for emergency when the time calls for it." Does that sentence even makes sense? Because it sure doesn't to me.
I am very sorry, for your loss, skipperskid. My prayers to all family and friends of the OCEAN CHALLENGER crew. With all due respect, I think you are judging the viewers, without knowing us. Most people have lost a family member or friend. That is why so many viewers can relate to the loss.I have read on these MB's, that many viewers cried, at the results of this rescue and several others that had tragic results. While a lot of viewers, myself included, think Disc. had an obligation to notify family and friends that the rescue efforts and results, would be shown on DC. I think watching the rescues, with tragic or happy endings, is part of the reason we non-industry viewers, truely understand, what people in your industry put on the line, so some of us can enjoy the fruits of your labor. I have noticed on the message boards, just how many viewers, are thinking of different ways to raise money and awareness for the Fisherman's Memorial Fund. I see that as a sign, of just how much repect, these people have for the dead and the living, in your industry. Thank you, for your willingness, to share. As I can only imagine how hard it must be. I wish you and yours a very safe and profitable season. God Bless!
It's all well and good for non-industry viewers to sit back, watch the show, and learn a little about an industry you don't know about: but, you all need to learn some respect for the dead. You say you like it because it's not sugar coated. I say you wouldn't like it if you knew the crew members.
I lost a friend on the Ocean Challenger, he was a great guy, funny, a hard worker, and far too young to die.
Everyone who works on a fishing boat, particularly a crab boat, knows there is a chance you aren't making it back to shore. This is a reality in our industry. That doesn't mean that shot should have been used.
Spectria, you say you wish people wouldn't use their experience to elevate their opinions. I say you don't know what you're talking about. You all watch this show and get captivated by how gritty it is, how real it is, then you feel that you can judge something like this, or for that matter, most things in the industry. This is not an area where any opinion is valid, because opinions not based in experience aren't valid.
Lastly, how dare you even hint at the fact that you don't think these men did what they were trained to do when they had to do it. "What happens when you don't go for emergency when the time calls for it." Does that sentence even makes sense? Because it sure doesn't to me.
Well Thanks for getting me started this morning.
To start with, How dare you judge me when you don't know me, it's you who doesn't have a clue.
It takes a smart mouthed dit to make comments about someone when they have no clue.
I have an opinion, and when I voice it, it is just that, which is why these boards exist.
So you say you know someone who went down on the F/V OC. I am sorry for your loss.
If you had taken a moment to read my posts, you would see that I was one of the first to Hump Discovery for using the video of the OC loss to tease us to keep watching. But then you don't have time when you are busy shooting opinions out of your tail.
Lastly, People don't go into emergency mode when real emergencies occur all the time. As an EMT, I have arrived on many scenes where people are just standing there while someone bleeds out, or suffocates because they haven't got the wiring to respond in an emergency. So that is what it all means.
SKIPPERSKID, I have been reading your posts for some time now. I was a industry insider for 20 years, before you where born. You have had the fortune or misfortune of working on your father's boat and this makes you think you are better than the rest of us.
I do agree with you about Discovery's handling of some situations, some where poorly handled. However I do think you have a chip on your shoulder and a axe to grind. Most of the people on this board are sympathetic to your lifestyle, you need to treat them with the respect they deserve.
Originally posted by spectria: Well Thanks for getting me started this morning.
To start with, How dare you judge me when you don't know me, it's you who doesn't have a clue.
It takes a smart mouthed dit to make comments about someone when they have no clue.
I have an opinion, and when I voice it, it is just that, which is why these boards exist.
So you say you know someone who went down on the F/V OC. I am sorry for your loss.
If you had taken a moment to read my posts, you would see that I was one of the first to Hump Discovery for using the video of the OC loss to tease us to keep watching. But then you don't have time when you are busy shooting opinions out of your tail.
Lastly, People don't go into emergency mode when real emergencies occur all the time. As an EMT, I have arrived on many scenes where people are just standing there while someone bleeds out, or suffocates because they haven't got the wiring to respond in an emergency. So that is what it all means.
Have a nice day
spectria I feel you were holding back a little there. Are you feeling okay this morning?
spectria I feel you were holding back a little there. Are you feeling okay this morning?
Mornin KC,
I thought you were gonna say something like "Hey D, Tells us how you really feel, don't hold back!!"
I was a little abrupt, but I am a little tired of some folks coming on the board, reading the last post in a thread, and then pooping on the author. So I let'er rip.
Keep on rockin'!
Edmundfitzgerald,I liked your post ! Are you from Michigan? Your handle and all ? 
Are you feeling okay this morning? 
