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Most of the characteristics you've just mentioned--aside from weight, and body building--are more tied to genetics than choice. Hair length is almost always a matter of choice. And if someone is overwhelmed by a certain characteristic, no matter what it is, then it is a problem. Even weight and overly large muscles can be toned down with the right clothing. Hair, not so much.
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back in the early-mid nineties i had hair down to below my waist. no bangs, no long layers. i used to think it was terrific at the time, then i remember getting some feedback from people in my family (the women) that perhaps it was time for a trim. i thought they were crazy! so now, 13 years later or so i look at photos. (by the way it was that long from phobia of haircut, i had had a horrible hair cut and it took me years and years to have the guts to get it cut) any way, the women in my family had advised me that it was just there, not particularly doing anything, wasn't healthy or vibrant because of no upkeep, and besides, i used no products back then, so there was frizz and unwanted curl on the forehead line, etc. well, i'll be darned. i see photos now and of course i see they were so right, i wish i had listened to them sooner. it wasn't flattering. long hair for the sake of long long hair doesn't always translate into lustrous, healthy or shiny hair, or even flattering to the face shape. i have an oval face, so even in that sense it was a horrible choice for me. one of these days i may do a photo post of different hair lengths and colors to show what a difference it makes. my personal motto: photos never lie!
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Long hair DOES NOT equal beautiful hair. Cut that nasty long hair people!!!!
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I don't know what the big deal is with cutting your hair, I mean the whiny, crying(!!)- what the heck is that all about?

Hair grows back.

Personally, I get sick of looking at myself with the same hairstyle. I've had my hair from booty length to Billy Idol spike (don't ask, it was the 80's).

I do think that Nick has made some great transformations.
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I think with the hair thing, it's hair, not a finger or ear, and it will grow back, if that's what you want. You agree to appear on this show because you are such a mess that your friends don't know what else to do! This is a complete "appearance" makeover, which includes hair and make-up. The staff of WNTW are there to help you dress better and help you feel more confident in your appearance, with the body type you have. They are not there to cure all your hang-ups or issues, they help where they can, which is in appearance. But back to the point, it's hair. Whether short, medium, or long, it grows back. If you have "long, beautiful" hair, than maintain it, take care of it, show the world that you are proud of it! But just having long hair to have long hair, come on. And even if you don't like the way Nick does the person's hair, at least it looks healthy. None of us can duplicate exactly the way our stylist does our hair, but we can try. It's your hair and have fun with it! Cut it short, grow it long, whatever you want, just remember, the show is about changing your appearance to help you, nit hurt you. All the people nominated make a fool of themselves enough in the 2 week secret footage, that the editors don't have to do much!
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mistoffeles, you're delusional.

If there was a person who had appeared on the show who actually HAD "beautiful, long hair", you might have a case to make.

I've seen lots of ratty, long, dead looking hair, that weighs a ton, and pulls down, causing the crown to lay flat on the top of the head. I've seen people pressured to cut THAT hair.

People who are obsessed with their long hair are generally out of touch with the reality of their appearance. Maybe they think that without the long hair, they'll be mistaken for men?
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There was one show that featured a newlywed with a wide waist and extremely short hair and Nick actually said that it was too masculine on her (it was) and she needed to grow it longer.

I think very short hair puts focus on the face so women with beautiful feminine faces like Halle Berry and Sharon Stone look great with very short hair. For average women, very short hair is as hard to carry off as extremely long hair. But the worst thing Nick used to do in my opinion were the too long side "model" bangs.
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.[/QUOTE] I think that we've created this "shorter is younger" attitude more than it actually makes you look younger. I believe this is one of the reasons older women cut their hair. So now I associate short hair with older, not younger, because older women cut it. And NOW we say that older women should have shorter hair. I'm sorry, but I've seen older women with longer (and I don't necessarily mean halfway down their backs, just not shorter than chin length) hair who also tend to have a more youthful attitude. It doesn't mean that all women look better or younger with long hair, but this is just something I've noticed. [/QUOTE]

I have thought the same thing so many times!!! Now I automatically think she is older than she looks...the short hair is an attempt to camoflage age...etc. To me beautiful glowing long hair (NOT the untrimmed stuff down by the butt, but clean, cared for, shoulders to shoulder blades or even waist if it is truly pretty and right for the woman) makes me think of youth! Of health, femininity, beauty.

Ever since those hideous "man-cuts" of the 80s, I have been wary of the short is always best brigade. But even so, if you look better short, or even just think you do, think you do, go for it! That's as important as stopping the short is always better police!
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What is this bit about throwing women "out of their comfort zones"? This is not basic training or prison/rehab. It is the opportunity to help women who did not really volunteer for this to see a new way to improve their looks.

Clothes they may not feel comfortable in can be left behind. Same for makeup tips. But hair is their body. It follows them 24/7. And while eventually it will probably grow back, it will take a year or more, provided they do not hit menopause or illness or be one of the unfortunates whose hair grows extremely slow... It is obnoxious to read all the callous "it grows back" and "comfort zone" lines.

Self-perceptions are central to one's identity. Change should be done with kindness--as Clinton and Stacey usually do. But I agree with the poster who saw some women made much less attractive by the blunt choppy short hair cuts--their faces needed curves, waves, softness... I sat home cringing. Although most women were improved because their hair was so damaged by bad products, there were some who were lumped in with the 'shorter is always better' rule applied by Nick....to everyone but the show's regulars...and himself! Why isn't he getting a haircut? Few women can compete with his hair.....
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by cyninbend:

And while eventually it will probably grow back, it will take a year or more, provided they do not hit menopause or illness or be one of the unfortunates whose hair grows extremely slow...
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I'm 57, and am up early to go for my regular 6 week hair trim. In September I decided to let my hair (usually to my eartips) grow a little longer for the winter, and it's now chinlength, headed rapidly for my shoulders. Who told you hair grows slowly after menopause?

What I learned after having hair halfway down my back for twenty years, is that an obsession with length can actually make hair grow slowly. Acording to my then-stylist, who was a long hair expert, an individual's hair has a built-in maximum length which varies from person to person. If you have hit yours, as I apparently did back then, growth is slowed down to the point that hair is not renewing itself with new growth. At whatever length you choose, regular cuts are important to keep hair vibrant and healthy. Many - if not most- of the ladies who hit Nick's chair have not had cuts for a long time. He has a lot of catching up to do!
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Your show constantly pressures people who appear on it to cut their long, beautiful hair that they have maintained for years. Why? Just because Stacy looks terrible in long hair doesn't mean everyone does, and yet episode after episode the hosts, hairdresses and every staff member put down people with long hair and pressure, pressure, pressure them to cut it. You may have some fashion sense when it comes to clothing, but you have a collactive one track mind when it comes to cutting hair as short as you possibly can.

Vive le difference!


I donj't agree with you and I LOVE long BEAUTIFUL hair. It seems to me Nick usually will just layer a gal's hair if the long hair becomes her and is in good shape and only cuts the hair short if the hair is badly damaged or it is just plain unbecomming.

I do not remember one show where he cut the hair of a gal that had beautiful long hair. It was either too stringy and unbecomming or in bad condition from being overprocessed- if the gal's hair went short.

Long hair can be very beautiful-unfortunately on many women-either because of it needing shaping, or bad damage from over processing -the long hair is just plain ugly on them.

One thing for sure-I have seen many a gal-after Nick cut her hair that looked much more youthful.
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The show that is on right now, Camilla-she did have beautiful hair-but she also had a beautiful face and the way she wore her hair hid most ofher pretty face.

Nick shaped her hair and shortened it -but she no longer had to back comb it to get height in her hair-as the shorter layers made her hair look fuller and gave it height.

Plus her hair was waist length-but when Nick finished with it-it was still past her breasts-she lost may be 6 inches off the length-but boy then she go sexy.

You know, my daughter has her hair cut that same way-she has long layers in her hair and her hair hits just below her breasts in length.

My daughter uses a diffuser onher blow dryer which puts soft waves in her hair and her hair is very beautiful-but yet her face can still be seen.
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"Sick of the pressure on women..."

Amen, amen, amen.

Provide an option Nick. Long hair is beautiful too. Every single one of these conversations say the same thing. I don't believe that long hair is the only way to go, just like I don't believe that short is either. Stacy and Clinton can do it. Carmindy can do it. Stacy and Carmindy also have long beautiful hair I might add and I don't feel either would benefit with one of Nick's straight short bobs.
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I think that Nick does prefer to cut the MO's hair short; eight out of ten times their hair looks much, much better for it.
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I was watching the show the other night and during Carmindy's segment, it became obvious that she had split ends and a bit of flyaway hair. The camera cut away and when they cut back, it was all smooth again. Long hair splits but there are ways to blow dry and products that give it new life. Yes, I've seen some good cuts and also, some mo's who really needed their hair back. I would not trade my hair for a $5000 shopping spree, it takes too long to grow and years off my face. As long as the color and cut are done well I think this is true for many ladies.
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"Sick of the pressure on women..."

Amen, amen, amen.

Provide an option Nick. Long hair is beautiful too. Every single one of these conversations say the same thing. I don't believe that long hair is the only way to go, just like I don't believe that short is either. Stacy and Clinton can do it. Carmindy can do it. Stacy and Carmindy also have long beautiful hair I might add and I don't feel either would benefit with one of Nick's straight short bobs.


None of the women who Nick has drastically shortened the hair of had no where near the body of Carmindy's or Stacy's hair. And most of them had hair MUCH longer.

As for Carmindy, worse than her hair--which is obviously super, super fine--is her penchant for blousey, billowy tops. At least she's moved away from the revealing baby doll tops of a couple years ago.
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Carmindy is a gorgeous woman, she can pretty much wear whatever she wants. Maybe baby dolls are not as popular as they once were?

Carmindy does have baby fine hair and it is bleached. Hair like hers is going to have split ends but it can be managed with styling tools. As can much of the hair Nick cuts. Carmindy's hair is also layered, as is Stacy's. Their hair needs a lot of upkeep but if a person is willing to do the work anyone can maintain long hair. It is not easy or inexpensive but it can be done.
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Carmindy is a gorgeous woman, she can pretty much wear whatever she wants. Maybe baby dolls are not as popular as they once were?

Carmindy does have baby fine hair and it is bleached. Hair like hers is going to have split ends but it can be managed with styling tools. As can much of the hair Nick cuts. Carmindy's hair is also layered, as is Stacy's. Their hair needs a lot of upkeep but if a person is willing to do the work anyone can maintain long hair. It is not easy or inexpensive but it can be done.


exactly! Long hair is beautiful if it is layered and kept shaped. Both Carmindy and stacey do that- they keep their hair shaped.

Long hair-all one length doesn't do a thing for anyone and for some reason-most of thos egals-that is WHAT they wanted-that not even a inch be taken off their hair.
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I can kind of see why he cuts their hair, as many mos are on the show to develop a professional image and taking care of a long head of hair may not be in keeping with the demands of the working world. But, Carmindy and Stacy both work. I would like to see more long layered cuts and maybe if enough people mention it, we will.
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The women with long hair do NOT look good! Just because it is long doesn't mean it is healthy and looks good, I'm glad he cuts their hair shorter because he probably knows they are too lazy and cheap to get it cut again any time soon.
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This is a hateful sentiment and an inappropriate post. For the reaction of the forum to an MO with a similar attitude, do a search for "Lynn".

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"....if i was ever on this show and nick told me i had to cut my hair....."

Save us time and the producers a lot of $$ and just decline the opportunity.

Thanks!

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"Carmindy is a gorgeous woman, she can pretty much wear whatever she wants. Maybe baby dolls are not as popular as they once were?

Carmindy does have baby fine hair and it is bleached. Hair like hers is going to have split ends but it can be managed with styling tools. As can much of the hair Nick cuts. Carmindy's hair is also layered, as is Stacy's. Their hair needs a lot of upkeep but if a person is willing to do the work anyone can maintain long hair. It is not easy or inexpensive but it can be done."

Actually, I would love to see Carmindy get a hair cut that suited the texture of her hair as well as more age-appropriate clothing. I really question the wisdom of having a hairstylist and makeup artist that are as ill-dressed and poorly groomed as they are.

I have tons of baby fine hair. When I was in college, I finally realized that long hair that had to be constantly fussed with to look its best was not what I needed. I have kept it above chin length since then. My split ends and limp hair could be made to look just fine with a lot of effort, but with the right hair cut, I no longer have bad hair days when I only spent five minutes drying and styling my hair. And I get more compliments on it that I ever did when it was long.

I haven't liked all of Nick's hairstyles, but most of them have been very flattering. The only time I cringed at him chopping off length was when he cut the curly hair on one of the high school reunion makovers. She went from healthy, smooth curls to an aging short haircut. And that type of hair will take a long time to grow back.
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NIck needs to loose his razor!

That said...this 40+ babe is going to let her hair grow out. I spend three figures on a trim and highlights every three months and I want to let it grow. Maybe it's a mid-life crisis but I want my longer hair back. I don't have to worry about taking care of little ones and I have time in the morning so...Nick..you've inspired me to just let my hair just grow!
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I have to agree Windy City, grow on!

I went to cosmetology school years ago and went in with a great head of hair, and came out with if 'fried, dyed and laid to the side'. It really benefits the beauty industry if they can get a client committed to a look that demands regular/ pricey care by a paid professional. Basically, the more clients you get hooked on regular chemical treatments (or now extensions) the more money you make as a 'hair stylist'. (*not that that has anything to do with why Nick does anything, I realize he is just doing what he thinks will look best)

In the last 8 years I've left mine alone, other then some touch up color for new grey's springing up, and 'flip over my head' trim myself, and it's never looked better. People are always asking me if it's permed or colored, the natural highlights are more noticable- I think- in longer hair. I tend to think that 'god' knows what he/she is doing with what he/she gives you, we shouldn't have to work against what we have naturally (unless you really want to!) but that is where the money is in the industry.
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There is a term used in psychology that is the "cave man's syndrome." It refers to men who are insistent on women wearing long hair. (It comes from the days when cave men dragged women around by their LONG hair.) The cave woman's syndrome applies to women who feel the same way. These women believe they have no value or beauty without long hair. On the other hand, some women enjoy the freedom of shorter hair. It stands to reason that no one rule about what looks best applies to every face and body. We all have different opinions about what looks good. Thank goodness we have the option to choose for ourselves. The correlation between age and hair length falls to mythology also. My daughter was recently named Homecoming Queen at the University of Florida. Her hair? It's short, doesn't fully cover her ears. Long live diversity. Go Nick!
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There is a term used in psychology that is the "cave man's syndrome." It refers to men who are insistent on women wearing long hair. (It comes from the days when cave men dragged women around by their LONG hair.) The cave woman's syndrome applies to women who feel the same way. These women believe they have no value or beauty without long hair. On the other hand, some women enjoy the freedom of shorter hair. It stands to reason that no one rule about what looks best applies to every face and body. We all have different opinions about what looks good. Thank goodness we have the option to choose for ourselves. The correlation between age and hair length falls to mythology also. My daughter was recently named Homecoming Queen at the University of Florida. Her hair? It's short, doesn't fully cover her ears. Long live diversity. Go Nick!



Finally, somebody who makes some sense! Women in commercials, models even, for the most part, all have long hair. You rarely see short hair. There's nothing wrong with it. Mine is the length and style of Joan Lunden's or Princess Diana's in her 30s, and ever since I've had it short, I do miss being able to wear a French braid. But it's so much easier to take care of being short, and if the many people who have complimented me know anything, way more suitable for my bone structure. Nobody but my father ever said my long hair ever looked good. Smile
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I started thinking about your reference to women in commercials, and with the only empirical evidence being my own early morning memories-----

If the commercial is selling hair care products, the women probably have long hair (lustrous, shiny, smooth, their split ends all cured by the product being touted.)

If the commercial is selling "real life" products--cleaning, vacuums, feminine care, fast food, you'd see a larger % of women with short hair.

Any thoughts on this? (I am waiting on my first cup of coffee, and the rhodiola hasn't kicked in yet!)
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I would have to agree, on my part, my hair does make me feel extra feminine and I do feel very 'average' without it, in terms of appearance, not intelligence or personality.

But I will admit to one other 'use' for long hair, in the 'security blanket' mindset..and it will sound stupid no doubt but, hey we are all friends right? haha I've been hyper sensitive about having a large 'chest' since a teenager and never appreciated the stares and leering of men. With it past my bra line, I can flip it in front of my chest on each side as a kind of 'protective' thing if I feel vulnerable or gawked at (for the wrong reasons). So yes, there is definately an emotinal and 'protective' component for me in keeping mine long, I'm just lucky that I and others who matter to me do think it looks good on me, I guess, but I'm sure any stylist would want to whack it off to shoulder length.

So in a weird way, I use my long hair to 'cover up' my other obvious sexual characteristics, but that is my own personal hang up from growing up with a 'stacked' body way before I was old enough to handle the attention. But still, it IS a security issue in that way and it would traumatize me to lose it for that reason. But I do go to great lengths (no pun intended) to keep it healthy looking even as I get older. It maybe a disappointment to a teenager when I turn around, but I guess I don't care about that so much. I'd rather they just stop looking anyway!
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I used to have very short hair & decided to grow it long. I wear it long and straight. I know I'm 44 and should get a real hairstyle, but it is so easy to brush and go or put in a pony tail. And not have to have a 4-6 week haircut...I'm leaving as is for now!
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Oftentimes Nick is told by the MO that she doesn't have much time every day to spend on her hair. Therefore, Nick is limited to giving her a style that is almost just "wash and wear."

Yes, Stacy and Carmindy have long hair - but it is shaped/styled/layered and in great condition! (notice that Stacy and Carmondy have layers) Their hair has not been left to just grow,grow,grow like the hair of many MOs. Their hair is healthy and NOT over-processed with a bunch of split ends.


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There is a term used in psychology that is the "cave man's syndrome." It refers to men who are insistent on women wearing long hair.
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There is a term used in psychology that is the "cave man's syndrome." It refers to men who are insistent on women wearing long hair. (It comes from the days when cave men dragged women around by their LONG hair.)


Forgot to finish above post...

I have noticed an MO or two that seemed very scared to cut their hair out of fear that their "men" wouldn't like it. There are men that are just clueless - they insist that their girlfriends/wives have long hair even if it isn't right for their faces. I went to school with a girl whose father insisted that all the daughters and his wife had to have really long hair. The mom HATED her long hair. As soon as he died, she cut it!
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Forgot to finish above post...

I have noticed an MO or two that seemed very scared to cut their hair out of fear that their "men" wouldn't like it. There are men that are just clueless - they insist that their girlfriends/wives have long hair even if it isn't right for their faces. I went to school with a girl whose father insisted that all the daughters and his wife had to have really long hair. The mom HATED her long hair. As soon as he died, she cut it!


As you have noted, the women who have kept their hair long for their men, the men upon seeing their wife or girlfriend with the short hair have ALL loved it.

I think this is another expample of a security blanket. The women have talked themselves into what they think their men want, and then hold on to it.

I think there is another factor at play here. So many men are tired of the trick questions such as "Does this make me look fat? Do you like my hair long?" If the guy answers wrong to any of those questions, he's a dead man. So the guy just learns to say, "I love it honey" as a defense mechanism. And that's where the women think their men like it so much.
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The women have talked themselves into what they think their men want, and then hold on to it.


That may be true in some cases... BUT.. I do know some men have specifically told their women not to cut their hair. There are a lot of men who think long hair on "bare skin" is very sexy.

Yes, the men have liked it when their MO women have gotten their hair cut. That doesn't mean that they (the men) haven't verbalized something different before. Also, with the cameras rolling and all the excitement, I doubt the man is going to say something negative at that time. Also, some men can't visualize ahead of time what the shorter hair will look like, so they are against getting the hair cut.
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Wow, I haven't visited this place in a while but then I just happened to pop in and saw this spirited thread. It's nice to see so many of you still here! Smile

I still watch the show religiously and I do think Nick is scissor happy, especially when the MO's give him permission to do whatever he wants. On several occasions I have thought that the MO would look better with longer hair - Perhaps not as long as they walked in with, but longer than Nick gave them. Also, we shouldn't forget that many of these women walk in with a mess that's already too short to style properly without taking off significant length. There have also been the MOs that actually look GREAT in short hair. I am thinking of that one gal who looked particularly striking - I forget her name. She looked like a kind of young, skinny Liza Minelli after the MO.

I do agree with those that feel it's a double standard that both Stacy and Carmindy are not pressured by anyone to change their hair. I do think the show pressures women to cut a lot off so that the end result is more dramatic. Well, pooh, sometimes less is more and more is just overkill.

That said, I am turning 50 this year and my hairstyle can best be described as Rachael Ray's before she cut it shorter. I was thinking of cutting a bit off the length recently and EVERYONE including my stylist protested vehemently (my boyfriend looked like he was going to have a coronary, lol). It seems I can pull it off, so why not? I'm lucky in that I look young for my age so long hair suits me. I am only 5'2" tall and I resemble Rachael Ray, who is also a shortie. She pulled off the long hair so why can't I? Some of the "age appropriate" stuff doesn't seem to apply to me. That said, I'd never wear a mini. No no no no no, lol. Big Grin
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I don't see how anyone here can even joke about comparing Carmindy and Stacy to any of the MO's. Don't you folks realize that Carmindy and Stacy probably have stylists that tweak their hair before the show? Do you think that's what their hair would normally look like without hours of maintenance? None of these MO's are high maintenance girls at all, while Stacy and Carmindy are both as high maintenance as you can get. It's not a double standard but common sense. That's why women who go into the salon with a picture of a celebrity in hand are always disappointed. Unless you have someone on hand to touch you up every step of the way, and are willing to put in a lot of effort when you don't, hair of that length is just too much. I have had hair ranging from jaw-length to below the bra strap. I was able to finish styling my short hair in about 5-10 minutes. With long hair, I would spend about 20 minutes and STILL find wet patches, and by the end of the day, my hair looked straggly and messy.

Nick was happy to leave Camilla's hair long because it was gorgeous. It was healthy and lustrous and all it needed was some shape. Not so much for the other MO's.
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I don't know if I agree with you, alizareen. I have long hair and it doesn't take that long to maintain it and keep it nice looking. In fact it's easier to take care of than when I had shorter hair. 10 minutes with the blow dryer, a touch of flat iron on the ends, some hair spray and I'm out the door. Unless I get caught in a windstorm it looks pretty much the same all day long. I realize not everyone has hair like mine, but I wouldn't assume that Stacy and Carmindy don't have the kind of hair that could handle being long without hours of maintenance to keep it looking nice.

Oh and by the way, I have a feeling that if you found the right styling products and blow dryer/styling technique you wouldn't have those issues with your hair. You sound like me a few years ago. It took some time and effort on my part but I found the right products, techniques and hardware to use on my hair and now my hair is somewhat effortless. If you searched in the archive of this site you would find threads from me from a couple of years ago begging for help with my frizzy/unruly hair, but no more thanks to my efforts. People like Stacy and Carmindy have professionals who know what to use on their hair. The rest of us have to figure it out for ourselves or pump our stylists for some advice. But once you get the right stuff you can make having nice hair look easy!
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Ntuitive, it's been a while! Hope you stick around; you've been missed. Smile As for hair, you've hit the nail on the head. Long or short, it takes (some) time and effort to have nice looking hair.
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Don't you folks realize that Carmindy and Stacy probably have stylists that tweak their hair before the show? Do you think that's what their hair would normally look like without hours of maintenance? None of these MO's are high maintenance girls at all, while Stacy and Carmindy are both as high maintenance as you can get. It's not a double standard but common sense.


Exactly. It's not a double standard that Stacy and Carmindy have long hair. Look closely - they have well-maintained layers. Which means they get frequent trimmings. Plus, their hair is professionally done for each show - so it always looks "picture perfect" - and not over-processed That is not "real world" for most women - the rest of us have to do our own hair and we don't have the time everyday to wash, blow dry, curl iron/flat iron, style, etc, everyday.

Unless you are blessed with the "right face" and thick, naturally silky smooth long hair that is "wash and wear," most long hair looks a bit "ratty" if left to just grow (without shaping/layers).

Too many of the MOs have had THIN, ratty, over-processed, damaged, all-one-length hair. (Thin long hair is not pretty - it just looks like a poor attempt to have long hair.)
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I don't know if I agree with you, alizareen. I have long hair and it doesn't take that long to maintain it and keep it nice looking. In fact it's easier to take care of than when I had shorter hair. 10 minutes with the blow dryer, a touch of flat iron on the ends, some hair spray and I'm out the door. Unless I get caught in a windstorm it looks pretty much the same all day long. I realize not everyone has hair like mine, but I wouldn't assume that Stacy and Carmindy don't have the kind of hair that could handle being long without hours of maintenance to keep it looking nice.

Oh and by the way, I have a feeling that if you found the right styling products and blow dryer/styling technique you wouldn't have those issues with your hair. You sound like me a few years ago. It took some time and effort on my part but I found the right products, techniques and hardware to use on my hair and now my hair is somewhat effortless. If you searched in the archive of this site you would find threads from me from a couple of years ago begging for help with my frizzy/unruly hair, but no more thanks to my efforts. People like Stacy and Carmindy have professionals who know what to use on their hair. The rest of us have to figure it out for ourselves or pump our stylists for some advice. But once you get the right stuff you can make having nice hair look easy!


Stacy and Carmindy undoubtedly put a lot of time into their hair. I doubt Stacy's hair would get that natural bounce and wave without a lot of coaxing, and Carmindy's is bleached and baby fine, so that kind of polish wouldn't come easily.

It has nothing to do with technique or products. My hair is fine, retains a lot of water, and also tangles easily. I also commute on foot, which means I'm outdoors a lot and, in fact, do get caught in a windstorm quite frequently...not to mention snowstorms and rain. I also already have to get up at 5:30, so time is precious to me in the morning.

As soon as I cut my hair, I was able to get lift, shape, and shine, no flat iron required. It also shows my face better. Some women like Camilla, and perhaps you, can have it both ways. I just don't think that's true for the majority, and it definitely isn't true for the majority of MO's who come on the show.
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I think Nick's haircuts on women with curly hair are atrocious. He does THE SAME EXACT HAIRCUT on anyone with curly hair. It's basically a modified mullet. It looks dated and butt ugly. I feel sorry for those curly haired women who get the super duper mulletron cut by Nick. I cringe every time I see it.
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Ntuitive, it's been a while! Hope you stick around; you've been missed. Smile As for hair, you've hit the nail on the head. Long or short, it takes (some) time and effort to have nice looking hair.


Halfpint! I've missed you and the others here too. As you see, I'm trying my best to stick around this time. Smile
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Well, you know your hair best, but I still think that finding the right products, hardware and technique can often make what seems impossible possible, as my own experience has taught me. It's like I have someone else's hair now. I went from taking 20 minutes to dry and style my hair to 5-10 minutes overnight. I realize that some women think that even that is too much time to spend.

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It has nothing to do with technique or products. My hair is fine, retains a lot of water, and also tangles easily. I also commute on foot, which means I'm outdoors a lot and, in fact, do get caught in a windstorm quite frequently...not to mention snowstorms and rain. I also already have to get up at 5:30, so time is precious to me in the morning.

As soon as I cut my hair, I was able to get lift, shape, and shine, no flat iron required. It also shows my face better. Some women like Camilla, and perhaps you, can have it both ways. I just don't think that's true for the majority, and it definitely isn't true for the majority of MO's who come on the show.
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It has nothing to do with technique or products. My hair is fine, retains a lot of water, and also tangles easily. I also commute on foot, which means I'm outdoors a lot and, in fact, do get caught in a windstorm quite frequently...not to mention snowstorms and rain. I also already have to get up at 5:30, so time is precious to me in the morning.

As soon as I cut my hair, I was able to get lift, shape, and shine, no flat iron required. It also shows my face better. Some women like Camilla, and perhaps you, can have it both ways. I just don't think that's true for the majority, and it definitely isn't true for the majority of MO's who come on the show.


I completely agree with this post. I have thick but fine hair that looks terrible when it grows long without major investments in time, product and tools. Some women just have better hair than others. If I could have a team of stylists touching me up constantly, (or it I had Rachel Ray's hair) then maybe I would have long hair again. Right now, I have a Katie Homes type bob that suits my hair's texture and my facial structure. Shampoo, conditioner, 5 minutes with my dryer and a round brush and my hair keeps its style without touch ups all day without even using any hairspray.
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