Please see below for the message to which I'm referring mostly, &, no, the case is not closed. This is something that has gone on for many, many years & will continue to do so. It's all a matter of opinion. I'm just trying to paint a different picture here from another Christian.
About Lynn's Christian beliefs - when did she say that her beliefs about her hair had to do with being a Christian? I noticed that people have mentioned Pentecostals, mostly - there are a lot of other denominations out there, and full of a variety of people with different looks and attitudes towards hair and fashion and clothing. I'm a Christian woman whose hair is not long. It's not super short, either - I don't think it's feminine for women to have super short hair (Ie., shave). There are many Godly Christian women who have short hair - I don't think that God is going to condemn anyone for their looks.
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that a woman has to keep her hair long - the passage you quoted meant that women should look feminine and keep their hair beautiful as it's their crowning glory. Men aren't to be noted for their shiny locks - although some men with long hair do have much nicer hair than some women. About men loving women with long, long hair, I know plenty of men who recognise a beautiful head of hair, even short, and who appreciate beauty in any shape and size. There are men who'd agree with you, menforlonghair, about women having to have long hair in order to be attractive. I have a sneaking suspicion that men prefer it, but most aren't going to ignore a woman they find attractive just because her hair's not long.
As Christians, our lives should be focussed more on serving God and others than on our looks, as well as keeping a good attitude full of kindness and gentleness. Lynn may've been gentle, but I didn't really see her as being all that kind or having a loving, gracious attitude. That doesn't mean, though, that we shouldn't take the time to look our best. After all, we're created in God's image and should be a reflection of who He is - beautiful and lovely. These two things are much more about looks, but shouldn't people try to look their best? I'm not talking about being trendy, but dressing the best for your body type and shape and finding a style that truly works with your hair.
I fully agree that Lynn had every right to not cut her hair - anyone has the right to do what they want with their hair or looks - but I do think that, since she agreed to be on the show, that she should have at least tried something new.
I am not saying any of this out of jealousy. Why did you say it had to do with jealousy? Are you so small minded that you think that everyone who has an opinion different than yours or who disagrees with something like a woman cutting her long hair off is out of spite or jealousy? Well, then, you have some serious thinking to do. You need to learn to trust people more and realise that not everyone is out to prove something or is jealous of others.
I'm not being mean here - just trying to stress that people have the right to disagree with another person's decision without any jealousy or spite or negativity being involved. Whatever happened to a forum just being about give & take of ideas?
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Originally posted by menforlonghair: I disgree with you all, she has gorgous hair why should she cut it because you all are jealous. You want her to cut her hair because you get some sick vindictive feeling you enjoy watching girls with super long hair get their hair chop off. Sorry to say but with some make up and clothes she looked good. Sorry to tell you ladies but men like girls with hair like hers or at least a little past the shoulders they dont like girls with short hair. you just want to have some feeling of watching someone who has somthing you can never achieve to be taken off them. This country and the woman in it have become sick and perverted unless they can watch a girl get her hair chopped off they cant be happy with the makeover. When they see a girl with hair like hers they harass and tell her to cut her hair. I saw the crowd Cheer as Ann curry and the woman with Knee length hair get their hair chopped off like it was some mob riot or somthing I think it stems from jealousy because alot of woman hate a girl like that because men notice a girl with super long hair and ignore girls with short hair half of you on this board probably have short hair and hate her because she has somthing you dont have and gets attention. A sad thing today woman are looking more like men instead of woman the media and the feminist have pumped that into your head that a woman with long hair is a disgraced and should cut it immediately if they dont they are being selfish because locks of love needs it. So what if she keeps it for her christian beliefs. I Corinthians 11! "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering" Thats the problem with the people have listen to the fems, Media and securlists instead . stop being brain washed by the liberal media. I see by how angry you all are right now that you have become jalous people when you need a girl like that to cut her hair so you can have 5 minutes of happiness I will say this again Lynn hair is gorgous in fact once she put some makeup on and clothes she looked good her hair enhanced her look case closed.
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If you accept the offer to be part of the show, you really need to follow through. Good Lord, it's HAIR!!!!!!!!!! Get over yourself! Let Nick do his thing, or get booted, period!
If you accept the offer to be part of the show, you really need to follow through. Good Lord, it's HAIR!!!!!!!!!! Get over yourself! Let Nick do his thing, or get booted, period!
Thanks Mouser36
It's only hair people! It isn't death by handing or global warming or boils on your booty! Hair grows back...I promise.....
OK, I FINALLY saw this episode tonight, and I boy do I have something to say....
First of all, I have been listening for months to HOARDS of angry people writing in to say that Lynn was rude, ungrateful, and owed the show her complete submission to make her over. Anything less than complete submission will obviously make everyone think you are uncooperative, ungrateful, disinterested in change, surly, out to scam the show, rude, you name it....
Well, when I saw this show I expected to see someone who fit that bill, but I did not. Instead I saw a woman who was was generally compliant and willing to listen and be told that her general look wasn't suiting her and that she needed to make some changes. She seemed eager to find some nice looking clothes and earnestly stuck with it in spite of some fitting issues due to her tall stature. Granted, she was only agreeable to making changes that felt right for her without going too far outside her comfort zone, but rude, surly, uncooperative and ungrateful? I just didn't see that.
Let's face it - If Lynn had agreed to get her hair cut, none of this vitriol about her would have been spewed here. She would have been just another average makeover and perhaps would have garnered the sympathy of the similarly tall and difficult to fit. I doubt that anyone would have called her rude and unappreciative. Other than the hair she was a rather average participant.
Plenty of other women on the show have entered into tugs of war over sentimental sweatshirts, and have claimed they'd never wear the makeup again and would grow their hair out, but no one ever called them rude or ungrateful....
Let's not forget Tracy the barmaid, who vowed she was going out to buy a bottle of hair bleach the next day because she didn't like the darker color Nick gave her. No one called her unwilling to enter into the process or rude or ungrateful, etc.....
What really bothers me about the response here is that Lynn is obviously (to me, anyway) not an unexamined person. She knows what her own personal quirks are and knows she is not ready to confront them. It takes strength of character to say, "Perfect or not, this is me, and I have to live with myself. I am not ready to make a change yet". She is the one who has to live with herself, so only she can make that decision, even if she might in fact benefit from making a change....
And yes, that is what she said, that she was not ready to make such a change to her hair. Who are we to judge her for that? It's only hair, yes, but IT'S ONLY HAIR, so why do you think it's a matter of supreme importance to her or to the show for her to change it? I could understand if she came out looking like cr@p in the end, but she didn't. She looked great in spite of the lack of haircut. So what's the big deal if she didn't get it cut? Where is it written into the WNTW contract that a MO MUST get their hair cut or be in breach of contract? I doubt that there is such a contract on this show. I am sure the MO's are given the CHOICE to cut or not to cut. That's what the show is all about, IMO, not making people feel like they HAVE to make a change or receive any kind of judgment or penalty. The show would look really bad if it said, "Sorry, but you have to get your hair cut or you violate the spirit of the show". Because it's more NOT the spirit of the show to make anyone feel forced or obligated to do anything they really don't want to do. Granted, I AGREE THAT SHE WOULD HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE TRIM NICK WANTED TO GIVE HER WITHOUT SACRIFICING HER LONG HAIR, but I don't think not doing it constitutes some kind of breach of contract or a violation of the spirit of the show. Sorry, but I just don't see that. I might feel differently, however, if she declined the clothing part too, because then there's no show at all and there has to be a show, after all.
I realize this may be a controversial view, but I don't think Lynn went into this thinking that she would be violating the viewer's expectations. I don't think she saw this makeover as being primarily about satisfying the audience, but satisfying herself, and she is well within her rights as a makeover candidate to look at it that way. After all, this makeover is for her benefit, not ours. That it might not be as satisfying for the audience if she doesn't get her hair cut is really not her responsibility. It's our problem.
I also think Lynn probably wrestled with her decision but thought she could get a lot out of the show for the clothing part, and the show seemed to agree or they never would have aired her episode. She did not seem to be the kind of person who would be out to get over on anyone or be intentionally rude or prima-dona-ish. She just seemed like a shy, modest person who had her definite quirks, but was primarily concerned with doing what felt right for her, no matter how it looked on national TV.
All I think Lynn was guilty of was not giving the viewers everything they wanted. But does she owe us that? This is a show about people going through a transformation, both inside and out. Who are we to judge her if she realizes that she is not up to a TOTAL inner and outer transformation? Why is she obligated to do that? To please the audience? To make better TV? I think we lose sight of what the show is really all about if we succumb to that mentality. I think that's the issue here and why people are so upset. We want our hour's worth of change, g-ddammit, and woe to any MO who doesn't give it to us. Why, that mean and withholding bee-atch, how dare her....
COME ON PEOPLE.
Also, the way people have villified her here is unbelievable. I was expecting the stuck on herslf bee-atch of the century and all I saw was a genuine, shy, inward woman who was plenty receptive but did not project herself and her personality very well on TV. As an introvert I am used to having people project all sorts of evil intentions onto me if I don't go out of my way to look perky or upbeat or emotive. I think Lynn was a typical introvert in that she was absorbing everything but not showing what was going on inside of her. Her lack of a response did not indicate rudeness or disinterest in Stacy and Clinton or their advice at all. I personally think that she got a lot out of the makeover, she was just not ready for all aspects of it. She got something out of the clothing part of it, I am sure. I don't think she is the kind of person to wear what she got out of it on her sleeve, but I don't doubt that it made a positive impression on her. It just didn't come across on national TV.
In fact, I wouldn't doubt that Lynn herself is perplexed at the viewer reaction as voiced on this site. People are assuming that her reserved manner indicated that she was hiding some kind of hostility, judgment, or smug attitude, but I did not sense that at all (and yes, I am the Ntuitive1, don't forget!) People jump to all sorts of conclusions in the absence of extraversion. Introverts are used to being labeled as "antisocial", "rude" and "uncooperative" by extraverts who just don't "get" us. Granted, Lynn is not without a wealth of quirks, but so have a lot of other makeovers on this show who did not receive the torrent of vitriol that Lynn has. And some of them WERE really rude, sarcastic, intentionally uncooperative, attention-seeking, surly and stuck on themselves, but they only received a passing comment here and there, not 5 heated threads that have been active here for 4 months already!
Anyway, that's what I have to say! I am sure that I will be the target of all the vitriol now, LOL.
And please, if you have to look up the word "vitriol" don't bother to respond to me. Thanks....
She requested and accepted a make over on the show without meeting the requirements of the show. There are plenty of other people who could have used the opportunity that would have been willing to part with a little bit of their hair.
Originally posted by bitter_spice: She requested and accepted a make over on the show without meeting the requirements of the show. There are plenty of other people who could have used the opportunity that would have been willing to part with a little bit of their hair.
I have news for you: It's not a "requirement" of the show that every makeover has to get their hair cut or she never would have made it on the air. They would have cut her off before that ever happened. And I don't think she should be made to feel guilty or wrong just because others might have appreciated a haircut. She got what she wanted out of the show and that's all that matters - that each individual come away with what they want from the experience. There have been other women on this show who have not needed that much advice on how to dress, but I would not rant that other more deserving candidates should have been chosen instead. I call for more older MO's and heavier women but I don't begrudge the "perfect little figures" their makeovers if they are chosen.
I think Lynn needs to return the $5,000. It's totally not fair that probably millions of other people would love a totally new look AND follow the rules. You get all this great stuff, and you do what they advise. Obviously you don't have to do something drastic that would make you uncomfortable, but not cutting your hair doesn't follow the rules. She signed up for it herself, no one forced her into this. I agree that her hair was beautiful, but I think it could have been even more attractive with the trim Nick suggested - he wasn't going to scalp her! The rules of the game are very clear - you get the money if you turn yourself over to them. GIVE THE MONEY BACK LYNN!
[Not] because she was cynical, sarcastic, etc, (which i didn't really notice.)
BUT!!! am i the only who noticed that SHES THE ONE WHO NOMINATED HERSELF?!!?!?! i mean come on now! then when they try to make her over, she fights it and complains about shopping and giving up her clothes AND THEN wouldn't let them do her hair and make up! some people here are talking about how its against her religion to cut her hair. if its against her religion then SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE NOMINATED HERSELF!!!
(altho i think carmendie putting on so much makeup probably just turned her off even more. she should have just done an everyday look for her to ease her in.)
and the fact that shes so self-conscious about her height, doesn't she realize that that long hair just weights her down and just accentuates her height even more?
i feel like i just wasted an hour of my life that i'll never get back again.
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Can't understand how someone can volunteer to be on a show and then refuse to participate. No haircut,doesn't like makeup, not sure about jewelry, wants to keep her old sweatshirts. Why was she chosen for the show? My best friend is 6' tall and she has looked fabulous all her life. The whining about sleeves, hems, etc was annoying. Why didn't they pick someone who really wants a change. Not an idiot who thinks her long ratty hair is beautiful. Go back to the 60s honey.
I just finished watching the show on Lynn not cutting her hair. I think she made a horrible mistake. I have never herd of someone not wanting to cut their hair because of their beliefs. She needed a hair cut desperately. I think a good hair cut about 10 inches off would have taken years off of her. And besides if she wants to get into her beliefs I think she could have donated her hair to those who are in need. I feel much better getting that of my chest. I have been watching this show since it came out and I was truly disappointed when she was set against cutting her hair. For crying out loud...she shoulnd't have commited herself to that show if she wasn't going to follow through on the whole make over. Thanks Beth!
i think the main point that people are missing here is that SHE NOMINATED HERSELF! if she knew she didnt want to change whether for religious beliefs or whatever, then she shouldnt have nominated herself!!
i understand that she was self-concious about her height. but doesnt she realize that that hair just accentuated her height even more??
if your not open to change don't nominate yourself!!
Hair grows back and it doesn't make a person who they are! Maybe a haircut would have given her some CONFIDENCE which she was still lacking at the end of the episode.
I just saw this rerun for the first time tonight and was so livid. How can you nominate yourself for a makeover and then pass on it?? She stole the opportunity from all the other women who would have been open to a total change!
WOMEN everywhere - it's just hair. I don't care if a hairdresser dyes it neon green and shaves off half of it - it will self correct in time. LET go of your "my hair can't change" ideology. I urge everyone reading this to try a new hairstyle once in their life - it is hair, it will grow back if you hate it!
This woman was classless - stealing back the sweat shirts and not participating in the full treatment is a clear violation of the rules read out in every episode. Her $5000 should have been taken back and her kicked to the curb.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by menforlonghair: she has gorgous hair why should she cut it because you all are jealous. You want her to cut her hair because you get some sick vindictive feeling you enjoy watching girls with super long hair get their hair chop off. ....Sorry to tell you ladies but men like girls with hair like hers or at least a little past the shoulders they dont like girls with short hair.....I think it stems from jealousy because alot of woman hate a girl like that because men notice a girl with super long hair and ignore girls with short hair half of you on this board probably have short hair and hate her because she has somthing you dont have and gets attention. [QUOTE]
not to be rude...but what are you talking about?? I'm not jealous of 3 feet long uneven hair with split ends? that does not makeith healthy hair. what that woman needs is a trim (at least) and a deep conditioner. I don't get sick pleasure out of watching people cut their hair. uh...i do however get pleasure out of watching people realize their real potential, worth, and beauty through an external makeover. and if that includes a hair cut, so be it. and yes, i'm sure MILLIONS of men are beating down her door to get at those too-short tapered pants and im racked with jealousy over her split ends!! and just so we're clear, i am commenting, but my hair IS inches past my shoulders (ergo i don't look like a boy) but i definitly know when i need a trim.
if she wasn't willing to hand herself over then she shouldnt have NOMINATED HERSELF for the show!!
i mean get real! shes not repunzel. who she is is a girl in need of a trim!
Lynn should not have been on the show, and the fault for that rests with whoever approved her. Lynn,however, is at fault for being so stubborn and disrespectful of Carmindy's and Nick's talent. The show does dramatic makeovers, and if you're not comfortable with that, you have no business applying to be on the show. Who is she to question Nick's judgment? I've never seen a woman yet who didn't look light years better after Nick got through with her.
I think there is a message here about the limits of makeovers--some women just can't handle being made more attractive and more visible. Lynn's choice of an occupation, her mode of dress and her manner suggests she wants to be invisible. She moves like a linebacker, she has nothing approximating a sense of humor or charm. If they made her into a knock-out, it would be a betrayal of who she is.
I agree with Betty Rubble. Lynn seemed to me to be someone who has a great deal of scorn for people in the glamour industry. It's a mystery why she nominated herself...she obviously prefers to be frumped-out.
I don't think Lynn was completely emotionally ready for a full makeover and I think she knew that, only she didn't think she had to be. She thought she could pick and choose what she wanted to get out of it. Unfortunately that doesn't meet with audience expectations, but I don't think she was concerned with pleasing an audience, just herself. But why should she be concerned with pleasing an audience? She was doing this for her, not for us. I still don't get why she should be obligated to get her hair cut or be made to return the money. It's disappointing for us because we know she has hang ups and could look so much better, but it's not a violation of show policies or they'd never have aired her episode. Why should she be villified because she isn't ready for something and admits that? That seems a bit of an extreme reaction in my opinion!
To me her not cutting her hair was not that big of a deal. I thought it was pretty and actually looked very healthy, yet cutting off a few inches would've been nice just for the sake of change. Then again, Nick probably wouldn't have allowed just a little trim-- apparently with him it's the short soccer mom hairdo or nothing. She did not seem rude or defiant at all to me though. Just a bit shy. Good for her for standing her ground.
And as for her nominating herself, on one of these other "Lynn" threads a poster mentioned a blog where she had stated that she did try to back out of doing the show yet the producers pushed her to go through with it anyway. Probably so they could have the chance to makeover a tall woman.
What I thought was bad was the fact that S & C didn't take Lynn shopping anywhere specifically for tall ladies! Why? It seems that of all places, NYC would have some of these types of shops. It's just not realistic to expect someone to have to sew little pieces of lace on the length of all their sleeves. Lynn looked pretty in the end, but I was really disappointed that S & C didn't help her out more with the clothes.
I agree with you 100%, littleshae. And that's interesting about her attempting to back out. Perhaps she wanted to back out after she had signed a contract and was obligated by that time to do it. I keep hearing about this blog - do you know if it still exists and if so, where?
ntuitive1, I'll go back and try to find which thread it was. Maybe that poster can tell us.
By the way, wouldn't it be nice if Lynn herself could come on here and tell us her side of the story? I'm sure she never will though since so many people continue to blast her.
Wow, intuitive1! I read your post and see that you're absolutely right. Being an introvert (AND shy - they're not the same thing) myself, I've also been accused of being rude and stuck up because I don't jump up and down and squeal a lot. There have been genuinely rude people on this show (like the one vowing to buy a bottle of hair bleach), and Lynn wasn't one of them.
P.S. I'd like to see more heavier and older MOs, too. My husband would like to see a male MO every so often.
Thanks, littleshae. I'd love to hear her side of it too, but given the reaction here I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to. It would probably put an entirely different spin on the story.
Originally posted by desperada57: Wow, intuitive1! I read your post and see that you're absolutely right. Being an introvert (AND shy - they're not the same thing) myself, I've also been accused of being rude and stuck up because I don't jump up and down and squeal a lot. There have been genuinely rude people on this show (like the one vowing to buy a bottle of hair bleach), and Lynn wasn't one of them.
P.S. I'd like to see more heavier and older MOs, too. My husband would like to see a male MO every so often.
Thanks for the support! I agree about shyness and introversion being two different things. Lynn was both, and that's rough. I could sense a bit of camera-shyness in her as well as nervousness being in the spotlight, which I think was broadly misinterpreted as a smug attitude. Also, if she had tried to back out but felt forced into it, she was stifling some misgivings and making the best of it. It couldn't have been easy for her if those were the circumstances!
Regarding your statement: "I don't care if a hairdresser dyes it neon green and shaves off half of it - it will self correct in time. LET go of your "my hair can't change" ideology. I urge everyone reading this to try a new hairstyle once in their life - it is hair, it will grow back if you hate it!"
This is just a bit extreme. You must be one of those people who's hair looks fabulous no matter what's done to it. Not all of us are that lucky. Do you know how LONG it takes to grow out a bad cut for some people? (And in the meantime, it looks like s**t because it was cut and styled in a way that they can't duplicate?)
Studies have been done indicating that a "bad hair day" can really affect one's self-esteem. And having had cuts from hell in the past, I can vouch for that.
I'll tack on this disclaimer (quoting ntuitive1) before anyone decides to flame me, as I did in my other post: "I AGREE THAT SHE WOULD HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE TRIM NICK WANTED TO GIVE HER WITHOUT SACRIFICING HER LONG HAIR."
(I also believe this would have satisfied the viewers - not something that Lynn thought of or even SHOULD have thought of.)
Littleshae, I think the "short, soccer mom 'do" is strongly advised on this show because the main thrust is to make people look PROFESSIONAL. In most conservative, corporate offices, any extreme in hair, makeup or clothing is frowned upon.
I completely agree that they should have steered Lynn to places for tall women because even at 5'10", I sometimes have trouble finding clothes that are long enough in the sleeves and torso. The industry is doing better on trouser lengths and I don't have as much trouble there. Before that, I had to buy men's jeans because only they were long enough in the legs. Let's hope the industry progresses even further.
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Originally posted by littleshae: To me her not cutting her hair was not that big of a deal. I thought it was pretty and actually looked very healthy, yet cutting off a few inches would've been nice just for the sake of change. Then again, Nick probably wouldn't have allowed just a little trim-- apparently with him it's the short soccer mom hairdo or nothing. She did not seem rude or defiant at all to me though. Just a bit shy. Good for her for standing her ground.
What I thought was bad was the fact that S & C didn't take Lynn shopping anywhere specifically for tall ladies! Why? It seems that of all places, NYC would have some of these types of shops. It's just not realistic to expect someone to have to sew little pieces of lace on the length of all their sleeves. Lynn looked pretty in the end, but I was really disappointed that S & C didn't help her out more with the clothes.
After seeing Lynn the first time her epi aired, I was mad, furious, couldn't see straight. How DARE she take away something wonderful from another person who would be more accommodating and grateful! And that hair... So, I can't believe what I'm about to say.
I watched again last night with the sole purpose of seeing Lynn the person. I honestly feel that she did the best she could. She smiled almost the whole time. She didn't argue except about the sweatshirts and wearing jewelry. But she even came around about the jewelry and wore some in the reveal outfits. She was not nearly as nasty as the lady a few weeks ago who repeatedly said "I hate that" and stuck out her tongue at other adults because she didn't like what they said. I can't remember her name, but she complained about the hair and makeup, too.
I agree with those here who feel Lynn is introverted. Think about it; there were only 4 people at her ambush and two of them were small children. Perhaps her boyfriend warned that if there was a large crowd she would be terrified.
For Lynn, this may be a long process. She probably felt that if she could give herself this nudge it would be a starting point for change. It may have been more of a push than she was ready for. I wish she had cut her hair, but she may have gone as far as she could out of her comfort zone and then locked down into survival mode.
I would like to see a revisit with Lynn like they did on a few other MOs. I hope she was able to take what she saw and heard and make even more changes (baby steps).
I just saw the show about Lynn last night. The blame for me falls on the producers who allowed this HORRIBLE show it air. They should have discussed what would have to done in the course of the show and ensured that Lynn understood that yes it is a makeover SHOW. While she does have responsibility to herself and making herself happy she is also on a TV SHOW. Something that holds some entertainment value. I find myself angry and so did my hubby at the fact that this was even aired. She seemed so ungrateful. There are undoubtly a great deal of people who would love to recieve $5000 dollars for an entire clothing makeover and a new haircut and makeup. I truely hope that the producers of this program read these. I have been a faithful viewer for sometime now and I have never been more disappointed with an episode. THAT WOMAN MADE ME SICK! I had to get that off my chest. I mean how ungrateful and I don't care how shy and how introverted she was. She KNEW what she was getting herself into I feel no sympathy for her, and I agree with alot of people out there she should have been made to return the money. This is not a charity program it is not a not for profit business, my entertainment value went down b/c of her and face it what it boils down to is it is a tv show and it gets ratings. The producer made an awful decision in the airing this woman.
Originally posted by ntuitive1: Thanks, littleshae. I'd love to hear her side of it too, but given the reaction here I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to. It would probably put an entirely different spin on the story.
ntuitive1, I wouldn't blame her either! There are some truly hateful people here.
Scroll down to Pinksneaker's comment. I asked her if she could help us find the blog.
(ETA: Oh! I just discovered another comment by Pinksneakers about Lynn's blog right here on this thread-- check page 3.)
Lynn did nominate herself, but she probably did it for fun (just like many others would do) without ever really expecting to be chosen.
I still don't get why so many people are making her out to be such a witch! To me she just appeared to be very laid back, not everyone is meant to be loud and obnoxious. It doesn't matter though, even if she had the "perfect" personality all these haters here would still find ways to bash her simply because they've all got their panties in a wad over that hair. Get over it people! Remember, "it's only hair!"
Lynn, if you ever read this, good for you for not conforming. I thought your hair was beautiful! Cutting it should be your choice.
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It's funny. I came here because I too was frustrated with her refusal to cut her hair. But really, you guys are way way too harsh. You are crossing the line.
She didn't need any color; her hair has a beautiful color to it already, one that would be the envy of many women. However she did need to loose a good foot of it, as Nick suggested, in order to make it look healthy and strong.
Oh for those who say what it matters, it's always in a bun....people with long hair, simply like their hair. They aren't as attached to the way they look with their hair as much as the hair itself. The way it handles the way it feels, etc.
I know because I used to have hair like that. My hair was similar in texture and color as well. For the longest time, I resisted cutting it. The problem is as you get older, your hair gets more fragile. So the split ends travels and travels until most of your lower hair looks more like hay than proper hair. So I finally got sick enough of the ratty look to chop it off. Haven't regretted it one bit. But man oh man if Nick had wanted to cut my hair, I would have jumped at the chance, even back when I was really attached to it. Hair grows back! My one concern with cutting it, was the fear of sacrificing my hair for an awful haicut. So it’s a question of trusting your stylist.
Also, she has a round face, which is really not enhanced by having her hair pulled back in a bun. It looks even rounder. Hair framing her face would improve her looks a lot.
I actually did not like her makeup. It was overdone. Her foundation was way too thick. It looked applied with a putty knife. Eyes were overdone, and the lipstick too bright. She wanted a natural look, but that's not what she got. I wonder why, because usually when MO ask for a natural look, that's what they get. The one huge improvement was her eyebrows. Man those needed a trim and a pluck.
Anyway, I think she wasted a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity to have her hair done by a really good stylist. Nick never suggested making it short, and her hair would have grown back in a few years, if she wasn't happy. . It's that she was given this opportunity and wasted it.
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I agree she should have to pay back the monies that she was given, it is a "makeover show" and there are several women who would love to do the show. She knew what would be involved. If she wasn't ready to cut the hair she should have declined and given someone else the chance
Wow, I just watched this episode! I cant belive she didnt cut her hair! Maybe she never heard the saying "Not all long hair is pretty hair!" If I had the chance to let Nick touch my hair Id let him do anything he wanted!!! SHE IS A FOOL!!!!
The show where Lynn would not let Nick cut her hair, really aggrivated me. What an opportunity! The thing that irratated me the most, was the fact that she nominated herself! If she wasn't ready for change, she should have stayed home and let someone else who would appreciate the $5,000 shopping spree and makeover. I love the show, just thought Lynn should not have been on the show at all. I had to get that off my chest. Thanks liltinglady
So, no problem...remain a Quaker or an Amish or what ever but DON'T agree to take 5000 dollars and then tell NICK (moment of silence for Nick) what he CAN or CANNOT do to your nasty, filth-looking, overgrown, unstyled rat's nest that you call hair. Bow out. Give the money back. Pay for your own Amazon Plus-Sized fashions but don't waste my time when I want to see a MAKE OVER, not a "What Lynn Wants Over!" I am so disgusted that TLC allowed this to even air. Nick was right- he felt "bad for the fans" because we did see the potential and that's why we tuned in...if I had known that she was going to keep that creepy hair, I would have tuned OUT long before the hour was up...Carmindy should not have wasted her time and Clinton and Stacy should have just called it a lost day and gone out for ice cream...Lynn is disgusting and obviously prefers to stay that way...so some advice...Don't nominate your gross self for a makeover if you want to maintain control of it all..there were lots of women who were willing to give themselves over to the professionals...
Well according to the post referenced a few items up "She offered to pull out after the hair incident". So, she spends the five grand, hours of taping and travel and then offers to stop the show. Be real. This was a complete set up and she scammed everyone. Out of principal they should have returned all the clothes and sent her packing but that would be 100's of thousands of dollars in production costs and related expenses.
Well, I've been watching WNTW since the beginning, and I was really disappointed with that episode. I can understand the anxiety of not wanting a drastic change, but feel that the show is about more than just the $5000 and the makeover. To me, the idea is to step outside your comfort zone and trust that there are other styles that suit each of us, and to take the step of a new beginnig. I think the show is about 'emotional skydiving' as much as anything else. I don't always like the end results...but I do enjoy seeing a person who is thrilled with themselves. i watch the show to see that, and get tips myself on how to look my best. It's really true that when you put a little effort into looking and feeling good, you truly do exude that. So I guess I was disappointed with the show becasue Lynn really didn't take too many chances, and she still didn't really seem like that happy of a person. In a way I feel badly for her...after seeing all the cruel comments people have made it wouldn't surprise me if she was even more shy now. And as a fan, I do share in the disappointment of perhaps someone else would have really taken the chance and made a change 'just because', keeping in mind that even if you don't keep the look forever, maybe it would spark some enthusiasm and motivation to try new things and look your best. I certainly wouldn't stop watching the show because of it...AS IF.
Okay so I have spent some time reading peoples opinions and I have to agree with the majority, this woman was a waste of time and should have cut her hair!! Almost a foot of it was worthless and if she nominated herself, regardless of the fact if she thought she would be chosen or not, she would already know what the show entails!! At the time producers approached her she could have declined the offer if she was not going to be respectful enough to follow through with the entire process. I did not see her as introverted, she came off as ungrateful and snobbish and if she already knew this was not what she wanted she should not been on the show in the first place. On a slightly different note the fact that S & C did not take her to a speciality shop for tall woman should not be seen as an injustice to her, they showed her how to make clothes work at stores she could shop at and for goodness sakes she was shopping online for everything, I think the show did what they could after realizing that maybe they made a mistake by choosing such an obnoxious woman.
Hi, first off I'd let Nick shave my head bald and it would probably be fabulous if he did it! I was surprised that Lynn wouldn't even go for a trim. I don't know about New York but up here in BC we donate large haircuts to the Cancer Society wig program. My daughter donated her thigh length first haircut and one lesser one since then. Wouldn't that take the sting out of a shearing if it went to a good cause?? Just a thought!
I was actually furious at Lynn for not getting her hair cut. I hate getting my hair cut, too, but when have we seen Nick give anyone a bad haircut??? If I were ever nominated for the show, I have to say that as much as I hate haircuts, I would absolutely trust Nick - his work speaks for itself. I was also aggravated with her about the makeup - she looked beautiful, but I bet she doesn't put any on anymore. What was the point??? Why did she nominate herself for the show if she didn't want to change
I feel bad for Lynn. She knew enough to know that she wasn't happy with the way that she looked, but was terrified to go through with it all. I don't think that it is that unreasonable to say that Lynn could not have had a 'freakout' moment when she realized that the whole thing included hair (Possibly something that she assumed was optional?). I'm not sure, but not everyone can take the plunge that easily. I give her props for trying.
I am also sad that she didn't cut off some of the hair (at least well above her waist) since it made her look pear-shaped rather than hour glass. I also agree that had she known that Nick was not going to cut it off into a 'boy cut', and would donate the excess long hair to charity, she probably would have let him take some.
Psychology makes people say funny things. Lynn strikes me as the type of person who likes to be in control, and when she thought that she would lose that, or that she HAD to cut her hair, she freaked and made up a 'lame' excuse...that her hair was unique to her. It was her way of hanging on to something somewhat familiar. Some people embrace change much easier than others, and I guess Lynn wanted to try, but she probably also knew that she had a good chance of not being selected - fate just handed her that card. :0)
I don't think that it's fair to be mean to her for her choices. Carmindy did an amazing job on her makeup and she looked like a million dollars! The eyes were great! I'm sad to see that her haircut decision seems to have ruined everyone's perception of what WAS good about that show! Her clothes looked amazing (and she agreed with stacey and clinton), her makeup was great, and she said she'd make some changes, but would consider keeping it up. :0) The whole show wasn't about her hair.
Also, they have had numerous other guests who have been sarcastic during their shows...I'm not seeing how Lynn is any different other than the fact that she clung to her hair. Also, the fact that she did have a blog out there saying that she wanted to get out of doing the show, but the producers wouldn't let her....speaks for how afraid she was of change. She was willing to drop it all, it was the PRODUCER who kept her. THEY were the ones who knew what they were dealing with.
This is just one of those 'life lessons' where we learn that not everyone is ready for, or accepting of, change.
Just my two cents. ;0)
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I did some research and Lynn has deleted the blog on which she talked about hr experience on WNTW. I am guessing that she was harassed...which is sad...but as she said herself (what is left about the show on her blog):
"I was on What Not To Wear this past year. Wow..talk about an experience. Needless to say, Nick and I are not best friends. =) And what you see on tv is not always what really went on behind the scenes."
I agree entirely. Until we know EXACTLY what was going on, harsh judgement should not be passed.
So I specifically logged on and registered so I could comment on Lynn. Clearly, this show was re-run, which is how I saw it, which is unfortunate.
I love What Not to Wear and I was completely put off by Lynn, and her rude attitude. There have been plenty of people on the show that start off rude, but by the end they all come around and are grateful. Besides, they are nominated by others and are usually surprised and/or possibly a little hurt. But not Lynn. She nominated herself! She has no excuse for her behavior and the way she treated Nick and Carmondy. I like long hair as much as the next person, but she clearly needed a hair cut. I think she did it just to prove that she could refuse and ‘get her way.’
I realize that it is not possible, but personally, I think she should have to pay the show back the 5000 dollars, and apologize to Clinton, Stacy, Nick and Carmondy for wasting their time. I also think that part of the agreement when they get the credit card is to not only get rid of all their clothes, but also to get their hair and make-up done.
Lynn could have looked great, technically, but her attitude makes her ugly no matter what she wears and does with her hair.
*as a P.S. after reading all of the other posts, I would just like to comment that I am only 1 inch shorter than Lynn, have similar hair and body type, and have also be accused of being rude when I am just being shy. Well, I can tell you this, one I would much rather be shown how to shop at 'normal' shops rather than 'taller women' stores, because the clothes cost more there and the smallest sizes are usually too big, as well you are much more limited in your options. Two, if given this opportunity, I would have fully embraced it. Three, she would have looked good with *shorter* and Nick wasn't even proposing *short* hair, her hair still would have been longer than most peoples and still almost to her waist! The main point is, she nominated herself, and thus she knew what the deal was. I am not stupid and I realize that we do not see everything that happens behind the scenes, but she could have backed out at any time, and once she was under contact, she could have made the best of it all, with no lasting damage.
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I was disappointed to say the least that Lynn was so against change. This was not a matter of someone nominating her and she didn't want to change, she nominated HERSELF! If you are going to do that, you most probably have seen the show and see how awesome the transformations are. I just started watching this season and I am hooked. My boyfriend even watches with me now...its great. I get so many ideas from the show. If you go on the show, you have to keep in mind that its meant to better you and at the least, you should walk away from the experienced feeling renewed. NOTHING that Carmandy, Nick, Stacey or Clinton do is PERMINATE. You can always go back to the way you dress, you can go back to your old makeup style and most of all HAIR GROWS!!! I would do anything to have Nick have his way with my hair. I understand that people get attached to their hair...Lynn definitely proved that. I feel it was a total shame that she did not let Nick do anything to that mane....It really needed to have at least a foot cut off and maybe some layers and highlights. I honestly think that she should not have been picked for the show (of course the producers had no idea how tough she would be) Note to everyone out there who nominates themselves for the show: Prepare for a change. If you dont want to, dont apply. Leave the opportunity open for someone else who will appreciate it.
I'm about to cut my hair that is about her length and I'm really looking forward to it. When it's too long, you are very limited on what you can do with it. I had mine trimmed religiously, so it's in good shape, but the bottom line is IT IS TOO LONG. An esteemed member of this forum gave me that advice - and I'm cutting it very soon.
Going through a national MO can't be easy. Watching the shows, I'm sort of amazed at how some of the folks work out so well. Behind the scenes, there must be a lot going on.
Well see, that is exactly my point. He wanted to cut 6" off and do something with her hair. With hair that long, lets be honest, what difference would 6" make.
I dont know what he was going to do but couldnt he do the same thing without cutting off 6"? I am at a loss why he didnt try and do something. Show other ways to wear the hair, other ways to style it, anything. Instead, he gave up and quit.
Nick wanted to take off the 6" of frizzy ends after she flat-out refused the real haircut. He tried to meet her halfway. He said the hair would at least look healthier without the bad ends. She refused that, too. So why should he bother with someone so unwilling to do anything? I still say she acted like a child and he (rightfully so) treated her like a child.
I agree. IMO anyone who wouldn't tell Nick to "do what you want baby!" is nuts. He has NEVER made anyone look bad...
I never write in to comment on any show, but What Not to Wear has become one of my top picks and I am so dissappointed that they allowed someone to participate who wasn't really willing to experience the whole deal. Lynn's choice to not cut her hair is fine, but if she really had such strong "beliefs" then she should have taken a real stand and not nominate herself for something she didn't believe in. What Not to Wear should have taken their own stand and not allowed her to have the $5,000. It is $5,000 to spend on clothes! Give it to someone who truly appreciates it. As you can tell from most of the postings Lynn ruined this week's show for most of us. Nick is incredibly talented and he didn't deserve to be put in a situation where someone outright refused his services. What Lynn did was take $5000 without meeting her end of the deal...what types of beliefs does she really have??
