Originally posted by artemidite: I did some research and Lynn has deleted the blog on which she talked about hr experience on WNTW. I am guessing that she was harassed...which is sad...but as she said herself (what is left about the show on her blog):
"I was on What Not To Wear this past year. Wow..talk about an experience. Needless to say, Nick and I are not best friends. =) And what you see on tv is not always what really went on behind the scenes."
I agree entirely. Until we know EXACTLY what was going on, harsh judgement should not be passed.
Thanks both to you and littleshae for your research and clear-headed comments!
It is obvious that Lynn was very open about not wanting her hair cut from the getgo. In fact, she is quoted on-screen saying that well before she even bought ONE item of clothing. If the producers had a problem with that, they would have dealt with it before going ahead with her makeover. My hunch is that the producers probably tried to convince her to change her mind, and went ahead with her makeover anyway, all the while thinking that they would get her to at least have a trim by the time she got in Nick's chair. Note that this was their miscalculation and they took a risk going ahead with her makeover anyway, knowing that they might not be able to change her mind.
So I think if anyone should be mad at anyone, it should be the producers of the show, not Lynn. She is also on film after day one saying that she admitted to wanting to back out in the beginning, but that after the positive first day she had she was going to go ahead with it. I presume the producers were successful at convincing her not to back out completely.
To those who think Lynn should have returned the $5,000, it's my belief that she probably wanted to back out altogether before she even started the makeover, so she wouldn't have spent any of the $5,000 in the first place if they let her back out when she wanted to. Also, presumably she would have returned any clothing she had purchased if she backed out after buying stuff but before the end of the show.
But it's also my belief that the producers didn't WANT her to back out, and pressured her to stay despite her reservations and her problem with the hair cut. WHY? Well, because they have a production schedule to keep up, plus they lose a lot more than $5,000 if a candidate backs out after they've already scheduled them, possibly even flown them to NY and have their entire staff sitting there waiting to work with them.
So don't blame Lynn for her "bad attitude", or act like she was trying to scam the show! I personally think the show scammed HER! I think if this was the scenario she was most gracious to give in to their pressuring and go ahead with the makeover in spite of her strong reservations. In the end it made her look like the heavy when it's probably the show producers that everyone should be mad at! The only thing Lynn is guilty of is not knowing herself or the show well enough to know that she was not ready for the complete makeover. Perhaps she was pressured by her family or her boyfriend to nominate herself. You never know what the situation was! But even if this is the case, Lynn doesn't deserve villification for it. It's the producers that hold the responsibility for pressuring her to go on with the show despite strong ambivalence.
The producers obviously blooped, because in the end they made her and themselves look bad by airing a show that gave the wrong impression of the candidate, and offended many of the viewers. It just goes to show you that short-term monetary concerns were more important to them than Lynn's image or even the viewer reaction. I don't think they anticipated that the viewers would have such a strong reaction, or if they did, they thought it would not be harmful to the show, and could even be beneficial in a way, because it gets people's attention focused on the show (i.e., any attention is good attention, even negative attention).
We have to remember that this is a "reality" show, and that reality is unpredictable and in some cases should just be left to stand as-is. Otherwise, they would have written it into the MO's contracts that they MUST get a haircut or be kicked off the show. But like I say, they wouldn't do that because they are more concerned with their production costs and sending people home mid-makeover would be disastrous to their budgets!
Just some more clear-headed, non-Lynn-hateful thoughts.
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Exactly Ntuitive1!! I posted a much longer comment about Lynn, but methinks it got IVY'd. anyway. I basically said that we have no idea what went on behind the scenes, because it IS tv, and we only see the parts that the producer wants us to see.
To all of the people who cannot believe that she wouldn't cut it because it was part of her...it's amazing what people will say when they are feeling trapped, and like they're being forced into doing something. She may have nominated herself, but when she got into it, and realized just HOW much change there had to be, flipped out! Not everyne is as receptive to change, and I give her kudos for trying! Plus there were many GOOD things about her show. Her makeup looked great, and her clothes looked great (and she agreed with both).
To everyone who said that her behaviour is soooooo much diffrent from other guests....ummmm....hello??? How many guests have they had on there who have been sarcastic, who have bawled their eyes out over clothes and hair? How many of them, siad that they were 'going to have to get used to it'. I seem to reacall one southern belle....form seasons ago who got a full makeover on there and told everyone that she was okay with the look, but that her husband was going to hate it and make her change it all back? He wanted a southern bell?? Lynn was NOT the only person on there who had an INCREDIBLY negative attitude. The only difference between all of those people and Lynn, is that Lynn knew she would hate it...and it was probably presented to her in a 'you must do this because you signed a contract'...which forced her to rebel and say 'well then take me off the show'. (She did try for the record). The others who did do it, did it reluctantly...it turned out well for most, but still. I think that people are believing too much of what they see on TV, and not considering that Lynn has her own reasons...and we have no idea what was said, or done, when the cameras were off. TV IS NOT REALITY!
I agree, it is too bad that she didn't cut it - Nick does amazing work. She probably would have looked better, but she didn't, and that's that! I do agree with the person above who said that if they had told her about locks of love, she probably would have been more positive about the whole thing, and may have sacrificed 7 - 8's. Again, we have no idea what was said behind camera. :0)
ALSO, I am amazed at how much flack she is getting...considering that it is a re-run! I don't think that all of this is really fair to Lynn since we don't know her side. She had her reasons, and I bet that the show is much more careful to explain the details of what is to be expected of the person who agreed to go on the show. It was a learning experience for all!
In the initial video diary that she recorded--appparently before she got to NYC--she said she wouldn't cut her hair. So it wasn't a matter of going in and finding there was too much change, but she had an attitude right from the beginning.
The thing is, most of us find her frustrating because there seemed to very little growth on her part. Very little understanding or willingness, even after the MO, that making herself more put together would require effort on her part.
I didn't like her attitude right from the very beginning. Still the whole premise of her self-nomination and the unwillingness for growth, was completely grating on the nerves.
It's only as if she went on there to prove a point "look it's difficult for a 6'1" woman to find clothes". No duh Lynn.
I completely see where you are coming from, but she did not have her hands tied...she could have and should have backed out waaaaayyyyy before they even flew her to NYC. Remember: She nominated herself...not the other way around.
Originally posted by matthelm: In the initial video diary that she recorded--appparently before she got to NYC--she said she wouldn't cut her hair. So it wasn't a matter of going in and finding there was too much change, but she had an attitude right from the beginning.
The thing is, most of us find her frustrating because there seemed to very little growth on her part. Very little understanding or willingness, even after the MO, that making herself more put together would require effort on her part.
Ummmmmm, did it ever occur to you that if she was saying that from the beginning, the contract must not have been clear to her? And based upon what you're saying, then the scenario that I figured happened is very likely?
Whether she nominated herself or not...she obviously didn't get that Nick's fine hair cutting skills were part of her contract, IF she was refusing from the start. :0) She probably got there...realized that she HAD to cut it, flipped out because she could not handle doing that...and utterly refused thus asking to leave the show... This is my opinion based upon the events that occurred on the show.
Originally posted by dqtee76: I completely see where you are coming from, but she did not have her hands tied...she could have and should have backed out waaaaayyyyy before they even flew her to NYC. Remember: She nominated herself...not the other way around.
The fact that she didn't, though, indicates to me that she didn't understand the terms and conditions of the contract. Maybe she did! However, without knowing what the exact contract says, and without having seen it, or knowing what went on behind the scenes this is all petty flaming.
I've replied to this thread before, and I realize that we viewers don't see everything that goes on behind the scenes, but all we know is what we do see. However, Lynn had to know that Nick would be involved as far as her hair went. You cannot make me believe that it would have killed her to let him trim the very ends off just to go along with the show. He wanted to take much more than the very ends off, but I'm sure that he would have accomodated her if she explained herself and tried to meet him halfway. But no, she completely wasted his time. She ruined the show for a lot of us, not only with her flat out refusal to let him cut her hair, but with her whole sarcastic attitude throughout the show. It wasn't just the hair segment that set viewers' teeth on edge, but it was the segment that made us all gasp. Clinton was even getting snarky, and he's the one who sort of holds back on the snarkiness sometimes. You could tell that he was really tired of her attitude halfway through the show. I'm more than sure that Clinton and Stacy understand that everybody is different and people are going to handle having cameras following them every step of the way differently. A person just can't predict how they'll act in a certain situation until they're actually in that situation. Some adapt well, some might not. That's life. But Lynn seemed to take gleeful pride in her stubborn attitudes, like it was admirable. You can stand your ground about something without rubbing it in and making a jackass of yourself. She really made herself look horrible, and behind the scenes or not, she did act that way. No one else can be blamed but her for it. Editors can only edit what's there, they don't make stuff up. She was plain obnoxious. When it was reshown Friday, I couldn't even watch it, it left such a bad taste in my mouth.
Everyone keeps commenting about a "contract". Is there a contract that the participants must sign saying they will fully participate in the show? I don't see where anyone else has mentioned having to sign a contract. I do not think the hosts were tired of Lynn. If anything, I think they felt how frustrated she was in not being able to find clothes that fit her.
Editors can edit things anyway they want. There have been articles about the way "reality shows" get produced and how things are taken out of context. One article I read said that if you don't see the person actually saying it, it was most likely edited and is out of context. Who knows what went on between Lynn and Nick before the airing. Maybe she did explain her reasons why and Nick and the producers chose not to listen to them.
I thought Lynn was very polite when Nick was criticizing her. He ambushed her by trying to convince her to cut her hair with the videotape of other participants who cut their hair and she politely refused him. She did not have a temper tantrum, did not criticize him, just told him that it wasn't the right choice for her. If anyone should have left a bad taste in your mouth after this episode, it should have been Nick, not Lynn.
I say that there was a contract because, logically, all shows should have people sign one. Plus, they make people sign contracts for everything else...then that way the person cannot come back and sue them. :0) I would assume that the show would do it to protect themselves, and the person on the show. :0)
On the "Little People Big World" message board, Matt (the dad), actually said that the producer has the ultimate say, and that they edit comments together, and they produce conflicts, making them look much worse than they are. It is reality Tv...but not much about it is very real.
I'm glad that other people here besides me do agree that we don't know what went on behind the scenes, and should really not make harsh judgement. :0)
I've read lots of comments about how Nick was insensitive and unhelpful to Lynn, whose hair was unflatteringly (IMO and many many others) long and unhealthy.
Simple point: If Nick had been paid by Lynn to give her advice on what to do with her hair, then yes, he failed and was very unsuccessful. He should be criticized and my guess is that word would spread and few people would hire him for style suggestions!
She, however, was paid $5000.00 to sit down and listen to expert advice on what would look good on her. She signed up for it (tip: don't sign up for something if you are at all unsure of what is involved!) and all stylists involved were doing their job.
Stacy and Clinton don't make a habit of "meeting in the middle" and I don't believe Nick should have either. That's not what the show is about. Often it's more about shock value stepping out of your comfort zone. Face it - if people aren't forced a little out of their comfort zone, the aren't going to see themselves in such a different light, and their transformations stand a good chance of not lasting. Not really worth TLC's $5000.00.
The last time this episode aired, I only saw the last half. This time, I got to see the whole thing. I must say, I have had a slight change of heart. Last time, I was dissapointed in the show, and was upset that Lynn didn't cut her hair. I still feel that she could have used a haircut.
With that being said, I now tend to agree with ntuitive and a few others who have said she's got a reserved personallity. Kind of like me when I get into a large group. I'm a much better one on one person, so I would probably be nervous, too in front of cameras. I really didn't see what a b**ch everyone's been saying she was.
I know she never said her beliefs about hair, makeup, and jewelry were about religion. But, she reminded me of people I went to high school with, who had similar beliefs due to their religion. Some of them ended up leaving their church, but still dress in a similar way Lynn did. Notice she wore jewelry in the reveal. And I think her makeup was way overdone. I know that was done for viewer satisfaction, but Carmindy should have listened to her when she said she wanted a natural look. Maybe she would be more apt to put on a little makeup if it wasn't applied so heavily.
Also, other MO's have fought S&C over their precious clothing, so why is what Lynn did any different? I think her clothes looked great in the reveal, and I think she was happy with them, too.
Remember, it takes an introverted shy person such as myself to see that another person is just being shy and not rude. I've been mistaken many times for being rude, and it's so not true. I think she nominated herself because she knew she needed a change, but maybe not as drastic as we the viewers would like. Yeah, I know she nominated herself, and should have known what the show was about, but who are we to judge her? Was it dissapointing? Yes. Should she have had her hair cut? Yes. But I don't think she deserves the kind of flack she's been getting. I just don't see her as the wicked w*itch or fraud as everyone claims.
If Lynn wasn't willing to participate in every aspect of the show, then she should have 'politely' told WNTW that she was excusing herself from the show, and stuck to that. The show isn't just about an MO getting $5,000 worth of new clothes, it's about a complete, head to toe makeover. Clearly, all she was interested in was the new wardrobe, which goes against the complete premise of the show. And, if you watched the same show I did, Clinton was indeed getting irritated with her attitude and her lack of enthusiasm. Lord knows I can relate to her being frustrated about not being able to find things that you think fit you and look nice on you, but she didn't have to have such a bad attitude on national television. Go with the flow and return stuff afterward if you don't love it! Good grief, these are four very talented, professional experts willing to give you the benefit of their years of experience, for free, and Lynn threw half of it away with both hands. Whether I wanted Nick to cut off my hair or not, it will grow back. Good grief! As one other poster said, if her hair defines who she is, she'd better hope she never has to have chemotherapy.
I've read alot about the Lynn episode (pro and con), but I am still convinced she should have known better. She shouldn't have auditioned and went thru the process if she wasn't going to submit to the whole makeover process. Either TLC knew what they were doing and looked forward to the controversy (not that smart in my opinion) or Lynn didn't understand the process (for whatever reason, you choose) or she just wanted the $5000 wardrobe. Whatever, I have NO DOUBTS that today she continues to wear baggie sweats, has long stringy hair and wears no make up.
So, I'm going to focus on the real winners on this show....people who actually want to change and look better. And if the Lynn episode is on again, I'm switching channels.
I think you've put your finger on the crux of the matter, bringbackstacy - TLC did this on purpose because they figure if it gets people to talk about the show, it's free publicity. It doesn't matter if what we say is positive or negative, just as long as we're talking about Lynn and the show.
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Originally posted by bringbackstacy: Either TLC knew what they were doing and looked forward to the controversy (not that smart in my opinion) or Lynn didn't understand the process (for whatever reason, you choose) or she just wanted the $5000 wardrobe.
I'll second that about Carmindy's makeup job! Lynn's eyes looked exceptionally gorgeous after Carmindy worked her magic It's a shame Lynn didn't fully appreciate it; maybe someday (hopefully soon) she'll think back on it and change her mind. It occurred to me that in full makeup, Lynn's face looked a lot like Jerry Hall's (for you younguns, Jerry Hall was a high-fashion model and the ex-wife of Mick Jagger, lead singer of the Rolling Stones, an A-list rock group of the 60s and 70s ) Jerry also has very long, blonde hair. And the clothes S&C chose for her were a DEFINITE improvement.
artemidite said: ...Carmindy did an amazing job on her makeup and she looked like a million dollars! The eyes were great! I'm sad to see that her haircut decision seems to have ruined everyone's perception of what WAS good about that show! Her clothes looked amazing (and she agreed with stacey and clinton), her makeup was great, and she said she'd make some changes, but would consider keeping it up. :0) The whole show wasn't about her hair...
I get the feeling she was intimidated into going through with the makeover, the more I read about it (I didn't know about her blog until a couple of days ago.)
But my husband is in agreement with most of you. He said, "Gawd! She's such a downer!" This comes from a man who's a passionate lover of long hair, yet he agreed with Nick!
If she said she wouldn't cut her hair in a video diary taped before she even got to NY, then presumably the producers knew before the makeover that she didn't want to cut her hair. If they had a problem with that, it was up to them to dismiss her. So it doesn't really matter one bit whether she knew in advance what was expected of her and if she was willing to comply with it if the producers could have prevented her from doing the show before the taping started.
I am still of the belief that she was pressured into going through with it by the producers in spite of refusing to get her hair cut. She made her wishes no secret, that's for sure. It was the producer's responsibility to stop her if they wanted to. Obviously they didn't want to stop her. Like I keep saying, we can infer that it is not a requirement in the contract that all makeover candidates agree to get their hair cut or be dismissed. If the producers don't have a problem with it, why should we? What's the big deal? Like desperada says, the whole show wasn't about her hair. LOL
P.S. Not to say "I said it first" or anything, but I did say that the producers of reality shows like negative attention just as much as positive attention. Anything that gets people focused on the show is good publicity in their eyes.
This episode frustrated me so much...I'm glad to see that other people felt the same way that I did. My problem with this episode is that Lynn nominated herself! It just doesn't seem right that she was picked for the show and then wouldn't cut her hair and at the end still seemed really unhappy. She was actually kind of rude about everything. Even after "letting" Carmindy do her makeup, she still wasn't impressed by how much better she looked...actually she would have looked extremely better if she had cut her hair. It's hard for me to understand a belief about cutting your hair...I know people have religious beliefs and what not...and she's entitled to have those beliefs so I have to respect that, but it is kind of silly since hair does grow back. It's just hair! I was so frustrated after watching this episode. I would love to be on the show and I would embrace every change that they made. Not only was it a waste of an episode but man was Lynn boring!! No personality what so ever. I think if she had cut her hair her inner diva might have been released...maybe that's what she was afraid of?! Madison63, you hit it right on the button with your post: "If she [has] such religious convictions, then don't nominate yourself for a show that requires you to cut your hair." Anyways, I think it was ridiculous to choose her for the show. The producers should have done more interviewing/investigation to find out if she would cut her hair or not. Actually, I want to believe they do that already, which means that she probably lied and said she would cut her hair. Ugh!! I'm getting frustrated just thinking about this episode.
I just had another thought...I think that the makeover should have ended as soon as she refused to cut her hair. They should have just went straight to the end b/c even though Carmindy does a great job with makeup, Lynn didn't look complete b/c she just looked the same but with more makeup on. She even said herself that she wouldn't ever do her makeup like that again. I also think it's funny that ALL of her family was wondering what they did with her hair...and then they find out that it's still in that ugly bun!
I agree with all the people saying that negative feedback is as good as positive b/c it means that people are watching the show, but come on-there are so many more people that are deserving of being on the show.
I can't remember who said it on this forum but I read someone's post that said that Lynn wasn't emotionally ready for a makeover...I definitely agree. It seemed as though she wasn't comfortable with herself as she was so she definitely wasn't ready for any drastic change.
although i agree she should have cut her hair, ultimately we don't know what she was thinking/ what was going on with her..check out her myspace for her postings
Where is it a requirement that someone needs to cut their hair for the show? It sounds like the producers knew from day 1 that she was not going to cut it. I think they thought they could get her to change her mind. I imagine their thinking was, well, once she gets to New York and does all the shopping, she will get the haircut. There was a woman the first season who did not allow Nick to cut her hair. Was she as villified as Lynn as been? Most of you probably never even saw that episode. There have been other women who did not want their hair cut, but Nick bullied them into doing it. Maybe if Nick had been nice to Lynn, she would have been more open to it. I have had hairdressers who have been very negative and I never went back to them. One thing Lynn said is that she let Carmindy do whatever she wanted because Carmindy was nice to her. We knew from the start she didn't wear make-up, but she was very open with Carmindy. I wear make-up, but I can see why Lynn would not want to wear the make-up Carmindy did for her. It was not an easy look and it takes time to do a look like that. That is a look for a very special evening out, not a day with the kids. It really was a dramatic look, but not a good look for her. Lynn did not strike me as the type of woman who is going to spend a lot of time putting make-up on. I also see no problem with women who do not wear make-up. Most women look better without it and have been fooled into thinking that the bright pink lipstick they wear makes them look good. And some of the most beautiful women I know do not wear make-up. Her hair was pretty at the end of the show. It was also nice to see her makeup was a lot lighter for the reveal with the family and friends. And they were all happy with her look and I think that is what counts.
It also does not bother me that she nominated herself. She was very surprised that she had been picked. How many times do we sign up for contests never expecting to get picked and then when we actually win, we aren't quite sure what to think?
The comments about hoping Lynn never has to have chemotherapy are way out of line. You do not know how a person is going to react until they are put in that situation. But from what I saw on the show, I think she would handle it with grace and dignity, the same way she dealt with Nick.
What is it with women who use their hair as a security blanket??? What are you afraid of or what are you hiding from??? Long hair ages you, it's harder and more expensive to maintain plus it's so HOT, like wearing a wool hat in August! I can appreciate her having 'strong belief' in something but about keeping enough hair to knit a blanket, I just don't get! How about having a strong belief in wanting to help people, people who've lost their hair to cancer, for example. With all the hair she had she could have easily help two or three children or one, possibly two adults by donating it to an organization that makes wigs from human hair for those who've lost theirs due to illness. Ann Curry from the TODAY Show grows her hair long and then has it cut to donate to Locks of Love, a not for profit organization designed to help people dealing with the emotional trauma of hair loss. Now that's a 'strong belief' I could support. In the future I would like for participants to be required to cut their hair, even if it's only half an inch, at least we'd get to see SOME kind of an improvement, and face it, who couldn't use a little improvement. LOVE THE SHOW!!!
I posted this elsewhere, but if Lynn's hair were as damaged as Nick made it out to be, Locks of Love would never have accepted the donation. It would have been sold and not used to make any wigs for children with alopecia. She could have donated money instead.
Sorry, some of us have a rather dark sense of humor - I wouldn't honestly wish chemotherapy on anyone!
nwright42 said: The comments about hoping Lynn never has to have chemotherapy are way out of line. You do not know how a person is going to react until they are put in that situation.
Well, it's true! I certainly don't mean to imply that I wish chemotherapy on her or anybody else, I absolutely do not, but anybody who is that attached to her hair (pardon the pun) is in deep doodoo if anything drastic happens to it. It's just hair. Whether it be religious convictions or plain old vanity, it has to be some kind of psychological trauma to sustain any kind of change to a physical trait, and that's scary, IMHO. Don't get me wrong, I take extra pains to make my hair look great (so I've been told) myself, so I do like my hair, but when the stylist that I've been going to for a year now suggested a radical change, I went for it, and I can't tell you how happy I am that I did.
Saw this episode last Friday and must agree with the anti-lynn fans of this turmoil.
I for one have long hair that I favor about myself and completely understand how hard it may be in any case to even hack off a few inches or so. But ...
For a woman in her mid-late forties to even cause such great dismay by simply neglecting one of the first most foremost rules of the show ... "that the participant must agree to have an overall complete makeover such as hair, makeup, and especially wardrobe..." And that, Lynn did not agree to terms with.
Embarrassment, really. She should be ashamed, she made Nick look bad and pull off a couple of rude comments about never wanting to wear makeup again. So that was a waste of Carmindy's time right there. Great job, participant.
For once in a lifetime you stand up to devoting yourself to having professionals help you out with a lending hand only because you ASKED them to - and what do you do? Slapy them back by wasting their every second and minute of time improving your wardrobe, not to mention self-esteem really.
To those who all chant "you go, girl!" to Lynn, say or support whatever, but why bother supporting [someone] that won't even allow a few inches trimmed off?
And with that, misery really does love company. Don't take your misery out on people who are willing to help.
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Saw this episode last Friday and must agree with the anti-lynn fans of this turmoil.
I for one have long hair that I favor about myself and completely understand how hard it may be in any case to even hack off a few inches or so. But ...
For a woman in her mid-late forties to even cause such great dismay by simply neglecting one of the first most foremost rules of the show ... "that the participant must agree to have an overall complete makeover such as hair, makeup, and especially wardrobe..." And that, Lynn did not agree to terms with.
Embarrassment, really. She should be ashamed, she made Nick look bad and pull off a couple of rude comments about never wanting to wear makeup again. So that was a waste of Carmindy's time right there. Great job, participant.
For once in a lifetime you stand up to devoting yourself to having professionals help you out with a lending hand only because you ASKED them to - and what do you do? Slapy them back by wasting their every second and minute of time improving your wardrobe, not to mention self-esteem really.
To those who all chant "you go, girl!" to Lynn, say or support whatever, but why bother supporting a shallow old hag that won't even allow a few inches trimmed off?
And with that, misery really does love company. Don't take your misery out on people who are willing to help, loser.
Originally posted by 3kittymama: Well, it's true! I certainly don't mean to imply that I wish chemotherapy on her or anybody else, I absolutely do not, but anybody who is that attached to her hair (pardon the pun) is in deep doodoo if anything drastic happens to it.
Well, I'm sure that if Lynn got cancer her hair would be the LAST thing on her mind. She IS a human being you know.
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Originally posted by 3kittymama: It's just hair.
Exactly! So what's with all the threads about her hair then?
Originally posted by learningtofly: For a woman in her mid-late forties to even cause such great dismay by simply neglecting one of the first most foremost rules of the show ...
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To those who all chant "you go, girl!" to Lynn, say or support whatever, but why bother supporting a shallow old hag that won't even allow a few inches trimmed off?
And with that, misery really does love company. Don't take your misery out on people who are willing to help, loser.
Ouch, were all those insults really necessary? By the way, Lynn was 36 years old, not in her "mid 40's", and speaking of that, since when is being in one's mid 40's cause for calling them an "old hag"????
From reading this blog, it looks like she's a pretty normal, decent person.
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Originally posted by poppquorn: although i agree she should have cut her hair, ultimately we don't know what she was thinking/ what was going on with her..check out her myspace for her postings
Originally posted by learningtofly: To those who all chant "you go, girl!" to Lynn, say or support whatever, but why bother supporting a shallow old hag that won't even allow a few inches trimmed off?
And with that, misery really does love company. Don't take your misery out on people who are willing to help, loser.
Oh okay, so we should join in on your misery and call people ugly names? No thank you.
In her blog about the show, she says "what you see on TV is not always what went on behind the scenes." Huh?? As I posted earlier, editors don't make things up. They might interject things somewhere else to make it more interesting, but they are working with "what really went on." Is she saying that she didn't do anything that was aired? I think not. There may have been more conversation with Nick about not cutting her hair that wasn't shown, but in the end, she did what she did, and that's that. There's no other way to look at it. She was so sarcastic with Carmindy, it was just not funny. And Carmindy was way too gracious and nice to react to it.
Nick should have recommended that Lynn donate her hair to Locks of Love. That is the most unselfish thing to do with your hair, and she would only have to cut 10 inches. She would still have plenty left, and it would look a lot healthier. If she really wants long hair, that's cool, but I would at least let Nick trim and style it.
Originally posted by lnahser: Nick should have recommended that Lynn donate her hair to Locks of Love. That is the most unselfish thing to do with your hair, and she would only have to cut 10 inches. She would still have plenty left, and it would look a lot healthier. If she really wants long hair, that's cool, but I would at least let Nick trim and style it.
I've often wondered if they are picky about the Locks of Love hair. I've seen long hair that's in such bad condition that I wouldn't think they would be able to use it (or maybe not want to use it because it looks so bad) for the Locks of Love pieces.
The comments on the show and here suggest to me that there is not much respect for religious diversity. Does anyone really feel they have the right to tell her what her beliefs dictate, and how to "get around them" if she chooses (donating the hair, etc.)?
There are legitimate religious groups that prohibit women from cutting their hair. From what I've read, Lynn posted on her own blog that she actually did try to get out of the show but was pressured to remain by the producers. She was insulted, bagged on, and evidently continues to be bagged on here for standing her ground on some issues that are meaningful to her. I respect that she stuck to her guns; she might could've done it with more grace, but who knows how much went on that we never saw? They may have edited it to look much worse than it really was.
Can't we respect her right to her own POV?
As for Nick, I thought it was sad that he said he couldn't do anything for her if she wouldn't let him go at her hair with scissors. She did ask him to show her how to style it, and there are many very nice styles for longer hair. He could have shown her how to do a Victorian bun, French braids, etc. If it's too unhealthy, he could have given it treatments to improve its condition, and he could show her products that would help her make it grow out more healthy. But it was his way or the highway. That's really too bad.
That show might have gone off better if they'd shown a little more respect for her beliefs, and had the creativity to work within her boundaries. Isn't our culture supposed to value diversity? Isn't one of our founding principles supposed to be free expression of religion? I think it's really too bad that we aren't seeing more tolerance, both on the show and here.
What will they do if they encounter a Muslim woman or an Orthodox Jewish woman who believes she needs to keep her hair covered? Would they work with that, or would they try to pressure her to accommodate them? Or would they reject her as a candidate for the show, since they only want to deal with people who will slip into their mold?
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I don't think that all of this is really fair to Lynn since we don't know her side. She had her reasons, and I bet that the show is much more careful to explain the details of what is to be expected of the person who agreed to go on the show. It was a learning experience for all!
It's a shame Lynn didn't fully appreciate it; maybe someday (hopefully soon) she'll think back on it and change her mind. It occurred to me that in full makeup, Lynn's face looked a lot like Jerry Hall's (for you younguns, Jerry Hall was a high-fashion model and the ex-wife of Mick Jagger, lead singer of the Rolling Stones, an A-list rock group of the 60s and 70s 
