Amy said it right...Matt goes to his room and pouts when he doesnt get his way...what an immature man he is...he needs to grow up...and ...discover...there are ...other people in the world and they have opinions and mind's of their own! Ridiculous for a man his age use guilt to get Amy and the rest go along w/ whatever Matt-the-King says...Good job Zach for standing your ground...Zach's already twice the man his father is...tragic Matt's never gonna learn...well,maybe he will...but...sadly...perhaps too late.

I saw pouting from Amy and Zach too. This was a case of Matt and Amy not communicating, which is nothing new. The vacation had already been paid for, so why should the entire vacation be ruined because Amy can't go?

In the end it seems Zach felt more comfortable being around Amy and her friends, rather than going on a trip with his Dad. So, it seems this really had nothing to do with Matt. It was more about Zach's insecurities than anything else.

If being a man is to standup and call your father stupid or idiot, the idiot who provided a fairly good living for you for years, then way to go Zach there's some hair on your chest.

Any mother who would let their children disrespect thier father is crazy to me. If one of my children would of talked to my husband like that they would not of had a choice to go on vacation. She should of told Zach that's my husband you are talking about, not only your father. It makes me sad to see her plotting with her son against her husband. Being disrespectful is not standing up. Zach needs to get a real job and start paying his way in life. Did you see that filthy room? What gets me is after Amy threw her fit, talked 2 of the kids into staying, she left them alone. With her it's always been win or lose. I loved it when she got back home and found the filth as usual. Real respect for mom Zach. But as usual she had to make excuses for the pigs, or she would of been wrong. Amy can't be wrong!

Zacks behavior was not standing up, it was disrespect. If it is so bad then move out. He is 19 so learn what it is like to live on your own and pay your own bills.
I have watched this show since it started and I am very disappointed in Amys handling of the situation. When she gave the children 5 to go confront their dad i found myself actually yelling at the TV. I dont know what has happened to drive the wedge between the kids but all I see is Amy getting mad anytime Matt wants to do anything with the kids without her permission

annie_h63, I just wanted to say I agree with everything you said. In fact I am finding that most everyone does. I can only hope that it is really bad editing by TLC and not what the Rolloff house has become.
I am sad for a house where the children are allowed to act that way toward another parent. I wonder if one of the kids were yelling at Amy if Matt would stop them. I think so

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Originally posted by JakeSoul:
Amy said it right...Matt goes to his room and pouts when he doesnt get his way...what an immature man he is...he needs to grow up...and ...discover...there are ...other people in the world and they have opinions and mind's of their own! Ridiculous for a man his age use guilt to get Amy and the rest go along w/ whatever Matt-the-King says...Good job Zach for standing your ground...Zach's already twice the man his father is...tragic Matt's never gonna learn...well,maybe he will...but...sadly...perhaps too late.

Are you serious? What Zach showed in last night's episode was master manipulation, pouting, grousing because he wasn't going to be getting what he wanted. Okay, so Amy & Matt's lack of communication was the basis of the whole issue, but Zach responded like a spoiled child, cut off his nose to spite his face, and created a huge rift in the family. Did you not see how he totally manipulated Molly into feeling sorry for him and staying behind? He worked her like a machine. Poor Molly - I think she feels sorry for Zach because of his physical issues, and he plays her like a fiddle!

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Originally posted by JakeSoul:
Amy said it right...Matt goes to his room and pouts when he doesnt get his way...what an immature man he is...he needs to grow up...and ...discover...there are ...other people in the world and they have opinions and mind's of their own! Ridiculous for a man his age use guilt to get Amy and the rest go along w/ whatever Matt-the-King says...Good job Zach for standing your ground...Zach's already twice the man his father is...tragic Matt's never gonna learn...well,maybe he will...but...sadly...perhaps too late.

Are you serious? What Zach showed in last night's episode was master manipulation, pouting, grousing because he wasn't going to be getting what he wanted. Okay, so Amy & Matt's lack of communication was the basis of the whole issue, but Zach responded like a spoiled child, cut off his nose to spite his face, and created a huge rift in the family. Did you not see how he totally manipulated Molly into feeling sorry for him and staying behind? He worked her like a machine. Poor Molly - I think she feels sorry for Zach because of his physical issues, and he plays her like a fiddle!

ITA! Zach created the rift in the family and now he's proud of himself. Amy was just as guilty because not once did she tell Zach and Molly that they should take advantage and go on the trip. All she kept saying was that they should do what they want, knowing full well that they already said they didn't want to go, and now had to go through with it to save face.(not Molly as much as Zach, she was just trying to please him) She couldn't hide the cheshire cat smirk of satisfaction that they wouldn't go.

The really sad thing about this is that this may have been the last trip they could have gone on with their father. His mobility is getting worse and it won't be long that he won't be able to travel. But Amy was so self-absorbed that she couldn't even appreciate that by encouraging her kids to go. She acts like one of the kids! Amy will have to deal with the guilt these kids feel later when they realize that they messed up, and blew the opportunity to be with their father.

CfitzRN, I agree with you 100% about the Molly issue. She barely said no, not really and Zach ran with it!

I like that Zach can stand up to his fathers manipulating tactics! I do not like knowing that ANYONE would turn down a vacation in the BVI's! It shows that they have become so used to money and vacations, they would turn down a trip similar to the one they enjoyed so much just two years earlier. Amazing transformation.

This is nothing new. Zach is always the Debbie Downer of the group. He is in pain and is going to bring down the entire family until he deals with his own insecurities. Amy and Matt have allowed this to go on for far too long, he should not be speaking to them in this way. It's hard to watch. I will never understand why Matt doesn't stand up to Zach.

The lot of them are manipulative. The whole situation is sad.

It is very sad. Jeremy, Molly and Jacob all seem to be doing great in spite of it all. I think being an LP is far more difficult than Matt, Amy and Zach want us to believe. They are trying to be tough on the exterior, but they are hurting inside.

I was very very disappointed in last night's show. Matt and Amy were both wrong in how they scheduled their trips. However Amy should have NEVER encouraged them stay home. She should have said, This is between me and your dad. You are going on that trip. It's a once in a life time trip!' Matt has a point when he says his mobility is becoming limited and wants to do as much as possible. How much longer is he going to be able to do what he does? I'm sure he's more scared than in pain. As another poster said, I hope this is bad editing from TLC and the family is not divided like was shown last night.

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I was very very disappointed in last night's show. Matt and Amy were both wrong in how they scheduled their trips. However Amy should have NEVER encouraged them stay home. She should have said, This is between me and your dad. You are going on that trip. It's a once in a life time trip!' Matt has a point when he says his mobility is becoming limited and wants to do as much as possible. How much longer is he going to be able to do what he does? I'm sure he's more scared than in pain. As another poster said, I hope this is bad editing from TLC and the family is not divided like was shown last night.

If either parent was going to MAKE them go...why should it be Amy and not Matt? Just a query..I think both parents are pig-headed when they wish to be.

And actually, since they've been on tv, and TLC likes to film them traveling, that trip has not been the 'trip of a lifetime' for several years now. They've been and gone, and tropical islands are now familiar to them. It may not have enhanced them, but they've been on many trips before.

Amy should have stepped up in this case because she was 'the injured party'. Instead, she rallied sympathy, making a bad situation worse -- she was part of the problem instead of part of the solution. She didn't do the mature thing, or the thing that was in the best interest of the family.

Thanks, I do see your point, I hadn't thought it was up to her to MAKE them go..perhaps she could have pointed out more pluses to going than she did.

Amy surely doesn't have the dramatic flair for being the 'injured party' like Matt does tho...I mean watching him find out he's mis-scheduled and then rubbing his face and head and looking helpless is a fascinating non-dialogue moment..much like watching Bette Davis smoke in an old movie!

Well I watched the show last nite and If I was Matt I would of put that LITTLE FOOT DOWN YEARS AGO, I wanna no why Little miss Muffin (AMY)was so MAD about Matt going without HIM....AHHHH lets see was"nt her and THE LITTLE RASCALS LIKE FLOATINGN ON the River without Matt While he was At HOME trying to get the FARM organized for PUMPKIN SEASON????I didn see Zach getting MAD about Daddy not being THERE, Sure looks like Amy says GOES HUH??? Please also when Zach was eating that pizza,And disrespecting his father...Oh I would of taking that away from him and said,If it was'nt for Dear old DAD here, you wouldn't have anything buddy... Wow That show really gets to me...Poor Poor Matt Hopefully you will wake. And hopefully its in the BAHAMAS on A raft without Little Miss Muffin

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Thanks, I do see your point, I hadn't thought it was up to her to MAKE them go..perhaps she could have pointed out more pluses to going than she did.

Amy surely doesn't have the dramatic flair for being the 'injured party' like Matt does tho...I mean watching him find out he's mis-scheduled and then rubbing his face and head and looking helpless is a fascinating non-dialogue moment..much like watching Bette Davis smoke in an old movie!

Matt more often IS the injured party. They BOTH know how to play that role up though, that's for sure. But I think Zach takes first prize for that overall. He is very good at playing the victim.

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...I mean watching him find out he's mis-scheduled and then rubbing his face and head and looking helpless is a fascinating non-dialogue moment..much like watching Bette Davis smoke in an old movie!

Love the way your head is wired, Mint, that got me chuckling!
Poor Matt, poor Amy, poor kids, they all could profit from some counseling. The dysfunction is escalating! Ack!

yeah, that was a great visual Mint

It's funny how we all can watch the same show and see things completely differently. I saw that Matt clearly was the injured party in this case. Yes, he made a mistake by scheduling the trip, but Amy made things far worse by creating so much drama in the house simply because she was unhappy with Matt.

For clarification: Amy was the injured party with respect to the trip planning. Matt was the inured party with respect to the way Amy was behaving afterward. IMHO, Amy's reaction was way more harmful to the family -- her manipulations and her 'victory' over Matt. She fractured the family over it.

Any woman married to Matt on these boards would be as frustrated as Amy is. Don't you remember when the first couple of seasons Matt wasn't working! Amy had two or three jobs to support the family. He went back to work for a short time but again not working. Matt is very selfish and if it isn't his way it is no way. Zack is growing up and seeing the real picture. I applaude Zack for standing his ground.

Look at all of the money Matt has blown through for his "projects" that no one uses! Just a big waste of money. Don't you remember they had to stop construction on their home because he blew all of their money.

Yes I understand he has health problems but when he goes to the doctors then come home and tell everyone he is going to die is really repulsive. Yes it may be a possibility but telling your children that is irresponsible and SELFISH! He becomes really giddy because he thinks he is going to be pampered with sympathy.

So everyone constantly being cut down on these boards. I stand up for Amy because she is a fantastic mother. Zack congratulations for standing your ground!

I think Amy got all her preschoolers to sign up today and try to defend her indefensible behaviour.

A good mother wouldn't encourage Zack's horrible attitude.

I'm no pre-schooler. Amy's behavior was a little over the top but for once she didn't just give in, good for her. Matt could have kept all of this from happening by A)TALKING TO HIS WIFE FIRST and B) sitting the family down and explaining the issues and why he didn't feel he could reschedule the trip. Giving them a choice and ACCEPTING that not everyone wanted to go. If he had done this Amy wouldn't have had any ammo to retaliate with.

What would Amy be teaching the kids if she gave up work for a vacation?

She pitched a fit when Matt chose to go back and rescue the pumpkin crop when they were on the river cruise.

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I think Amy got all her preschoolers to sign up today and try to defend her indefensible behaviour.

Is THAT why the writing is improved?

I don't understand congratulating Zach for speaking to his father in this manner. I also don't understand congratulating Amy for her behavior. Throwing temper tantrums and dividing the family don't deserve congratulations.

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Originally posted by encyclopaedia:
I think Amy got all her preschoolers to sign up today and try to defend her indefensible behaviour.

Is THAT why the writing is improved?

Bahahaha - I've only been on the boards for a couple of days, but that's the funniest thing I've seen. =D

While I might agree that living with Matt at times would be a challenge, I also think he's a lot of fun as well. Living with Amy would certainly be no walk in the park either!

I hate to say it, but my view of her 'mothering' has been impacted quite negatively. I mean, sure everyone has their faults and both of the Roloff parents have missed the mark in several areas in parenting... their kids are disrespectful, and sloppy and etc. But Amy wins the biggest prize yet for bad parenting in this latest episode with her pitting her kids against their father. She's done it in the past and its always been wrong, but she really reached new lows this time.

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While I might agree that living with Matt at times would be a challenge, I also think he's a lot of fun as well. Living with Amy would certainly be no walk in the park either!

I hate to say it, but my view of her 'mothering' has been impacted quite negatively. I mean, sure everyone has their faults and both of the Roloff parents have missed the mark in several areas in parenting... their kids are disrespectful, and sloppy and etc. But Amy wins the biggest prize yet for bad parenting in this latest episode with her pitting her kids against their father. She's done it in the past and its always been wrong, but she really reached new lows this time.

Good post. This is so true.