It has been said before, but I cannot believe how awful Amy allows her children to treat Matt. All while supposedly being a Christian with her children attending Christiam schools because she likes the 'values' the school instills. What about the value of Honor thy mother AND thy father. There were several times in my life when I did not agree with my parents but I wouldn't have DARED speak to them the way Zach speaks to his father. BUT can you blame him, I mean children learn behaviors from adults. Amy doesn't respect Matt, so why should the children, right? It also seems to be that Amy doesn't want Matt to participate in ANY aspect of the children's lives. She is always taking up for them and making excuses for their (especially Zach's) ill behavior. I think it's sickening! Also, I can recall when Amy planned the 5-week vacation- when Matt joined them, her entire demeanor changed. She got peeved when he wanted to leave.
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So Amy doesn't want Matt to participate in ANY aspect of the children's lives, but yet during the 5 week vaction when Matt decided to leave, Amy got mad. Sorry to say you contradicted yourself here...Matt wants to be in the children's lives when it's convenient for him.
What is wrong with everyone! Amy is all about her family. She is there for every kids event and Matt does NOTHING! He just worries about his projects and his farm! He also squanders their money on pointless castles....when his kids are about to start college.
Amy is the voice of reason if she let Matt have his way they would be in bankruptcy..........
I agree with you, and he does get his way a good bit of the time in spite of her requests for caution.
Matt might have some of his univolvement with his children overlooked if he could even have an honest conversation with them; but he seems totally unable to do even that.
Matt is in a dream world! Every episode he wants to do something else. Three episodes ago he wanted to buy a rental property.......Amy asked him where he was getting the money for that and he just shook his head, because he knows that he is either racking up debt or spending money that needs to be saved for the kids private school and college. Matt is selfish.
I think everyone is a against Amy, because she is being the adult.........Matt is the fun creative one, but there comes a time you have to grow up even if you don't want to.......
It is called RESPECT Amy! If you don't respect your home OR your husband, then why are your kids going to??? To let Zach acts the way he does and not tell him he is out of line is HORRIBLE Amy! Also, why is Matt getting crap from you when he is TRYING to get the house in decent shape? It has always looked like you never cleaned, and you have admitted you don't care! You have this beautiful home and you just let the kids do whatever they want to do. Sorry, it was too little too late when you got them up that morning to clean up the horrendous mess they made the night before! If they had learned any type of respect from you then that probably wouldn't have happened in the first place!
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I agree with you, ftlodogs. I have felt for a long time, that Matt lives in a fantasy world 90% of the time. Whoever said that he can't even have an honest conversation w/his kids is right about that also, its pitiful. Matt has never grown up. A lot of Amy's behavior toward him is simply her reaction to trying to cope/care for her kids and their future, while all he does is "dream" up new, impractical projects to show off, -often in direct opposition to Amy's input (which he asks for, then just blows off.) Whats fun about that? Everyone likes to say that Amy doesn't respect Matt but he doesn't respect her either! Many times he purposely makes choices and decisions behind her back. It appears to me that often those people who are on Matt's side have simply fallen for his "salesmanship" and fast-talk. Everyone has their faults here, no doubt about that and we could debate it for a hundred years, --but what annoys me most is that Matt just can't shut off the "car salesman" in himself, he's constantly spinning his baloney and just so full of himself and his flim-flam maneuvering. It seems like its all he does really. That is what Zach was reacting to, it gets dreadfully frustrating and feels insulting to have someone trying to manipulate you w/fast-talk like that all the time. That would get so OLD...
I've seen comments about Amy trying to manipulate the kids not to go on the trip, which really didn't happen. It's your choice to see it that way (although I'm sure, Amy was glad two chose to stay home). What about the way Matt was taunting Molly and Zach about how Papa would be laughing at them. Now that was obvious manipulation. Not becoming.
Both of these parents are victims of their lackadaisical parenting.
Originally posted by sideliner: I've seen comments about Amy trying to manipulate the kids not to go on the trip, which really didn't happen. It's your choice to see it that way (although I'm sure, Amy was glad two chose to stay home). What about the way Matt was taunting Molly and Zach about how Papa would be laughing at them. Now that was obvious manipulation. Not becoming.
Both of these parents are victims of their lackadaisical parenting.
Totally agree with you! Amy wasn't manipulating the kids, she NEVER said don't go. She simply said the kids should do what they want. She even talked to Jake about how much fun he would have and he should go. I'm not sure where people are picking up the idea that Amy made Zach and Molly not go.....
I don't think people are picking up the idea that AMY made Zach and Molly not go. But it was plain (to me and a few others) that she didn't want them to go. And most likely because she wanted them on her side. She never said don't go, but she certainly didn't do anything to encourage them to go!
Don't know how you see that Amy is all about family and the voice of reason. What mother plays on her kid's sympathy by lamenting to them that she can't go on the trip, then, allowing them to boycott the trip? If she were about family and had the voice of reason she would have put her feelings aside for the sake of the kids and family harmony. She would have privately talked to Matt about how she felt and not involved the kids. Amy uses her kids as friends instead of parenting them. There was nothing adult about the way she handled it. Sheeeze, she couldn't even pretend to protest the kids boycotting with that self satisfied grin on her face that she couldn't hide. these kids are going to feel guilty that they hurt him like that, at least Molly will;
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Originally posted by sideliner: I've seen comments about Amy trying to manipulate the kids not to go on the trip, which really didn't happen. It's your choice to see it that way (although I'm sure, Amy was glad two chose to stay home). What about the way Matt was taunting Molly and Zach about how Papa would be laughing at them. Now that was obvious manipulation. Not becoming.
Both of these parents are victims of their lackadaisical parenting.
Totally agree with you! Amy wasn't manipulating the kids, she NEVER said don't go. She simply said the kids should do what they want. She even talked to Jake about how much fun he would have and he should go. I'm not sure where people are picking up the idea that Amy made Zach and Molly not go.....
Because she was willing to have a conversation with them about it..and Matt was not? And, of course, unless you listened to it, that alone condemned her as being a force for secretive division, when it didn't happen that way at all. Just guessin'.
I think that it's interesting people are so quick to blame either Amy or Matt. It's not an "or" situation. Both of them made mistakes in this case and both of them caused the drama.
Matt should not have finalized plans without re-checking with Amy to make sure that there was no scheduling conflict. He planned the trip and then refused to alter the schedule in any way. When Zach and Molly decided not to go, Matt made a half-hearted attempt to get them to join him, then made fun of them, taunted them, and generally treated them poorly.
Amy should likely not have been so vocal that she could not go on the trip. It seems like she fueled the drama a bit by not at least running a bit more interference between Zach and Matt when things went so off course. While she encouraged Jacob to go on th trip, it was offset with her complaining which probably should not have happened.
I can understand Zach not wanting to go with Jeremy and Matt on the trip. Zach is often not on the same page as those two, especially when it comes to going off and doing certain activities. However, that is no excuse for his behavior and fighting with his father. He was rude and even if Matt was making fun of him, he should not talk back to his father.
Another thing I noticed (just an observation) was that Matt was playing "poor me" a LOT. I understand he has mobility issues yet he makes no obvious effort to take care of himself. I thought it was interesting that on the riverboat trip the kids were upset that Matt left and didn't participate in much, but Jeremy and Jake weren't shown to be upset this time when Matt didn't participate in a lot of the excursions -- I guess because he didn't leave?
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Both Amy and Matt need to re-evaluate their parenting. Amy needs to stop acting like her children's best friend and start acting like their Mother. Matt needs to start thinking about his family more. They BOTH need to start teaching their kids respect for themselves, eachother and their home and belongings.
Originally posted by joyle53: Don't know how you see that Amy is all about family and the voice of reason. What mother plays on her kid's sympathy by lamenting to them that she can't go on the trip, then, allowing them to boycott the trip? If she were about family and had the voice of reason she would have put her feelings aside for the sake of the kids and family harmony. She would have privately talked to Matt about how she felt and not involved the kids. Amy uses her kids as friends instead of parenting them. There was nothing adult about the way she handled it. Sheeeze, she couldn't even pretend to protest the kids boycotting with that self satisfied grin on her face that she couldn't hide. these kids are going to feel guilty that they hurt him like that, at least Molly will;
ITA. What kind of mother acts like that? I don't know. My parents were not perfect, but I can say that I have never not even once heard either of my parents say one disrespectful thing to the other, even behind their back!!! They have been married 50 years. Maybe my standards are too high.
Amy let her true feelings be known with her 'high five' maneuver. She felt she had a victory over Matt. IMHO, she was manipulative and its nothing new.
