Oh Amy.. her comments tonight were memorable and took her to a new level..
Matt looking for his medicine before taking the trip to Vegas makes a comment about how he does not want to have a heart attack on the plane..he was serious..he was not joking and he looked concerned.. Amy walks by and with no sarcasm or goofing says "your going to die on the plane" Matt says "well then the plane would have to land so it would inconvenience you".. Amy responds "It is ok, I can collect the insurance".

For those who think this couple is so in love my observations of the show convince me more and more that she is just tolerating him for the money and when the cameras are off I doubt she is even with him. Dont tell me that the camera does not capture everything and Amy is some sweet romantic teddy bear..I doubt TLC asked Amy to repeat her comment about her husband dying on a plane for our viewing pleasure..

I saw the episode. Amy and Matt sounded just like my Aunt and Uncle and they were crazy about each other. If you kept watching you would have seen quite a it of affection later in the episode.

That was all staged..Amy had to show off in front of her friends

I don't believe any of it was staged, or 'showing off in front of friends". Couples who have lived together for 20 years STILL have a sense of humor? Not unique at all. Something about it must suit them...they are still there.

And in practical terms, MR is a grownup, he has the medical conditions and must manage them, he knows when he needs a refill; his wife is not 'mommy'. JMO.

Your right she isn't his mommy.....but how about his friend?? You would look out for a friend, right?? Doesn't her husband deserve the same? And your comment about it being HIS problem (medical condition) that's just cold!!!!! I have been married 20 years and I take care of my husband and he takes care of me......and we both take care of our children!!!

Matt and Amy both dont believe in babying their kids, so I am sure they wont do that with each other. Someone has to keep a level head.
I dont think amy meant it to be malicious, I just think its how they are with each other and it works for them.

All marriages are different, some couples are just more caring than others. I see nothing wrong with making sure your spouse has all the meds he needs for a trip, and it's something I would definitely do, but that's just not Amy's style.

Amy will baby the children though, when she sees Matt trying to discipline them. It's her way of showing him she's the boss, so to speak. At other times, when the kids do something that upsets her, she has no problem letting them have it. Matt and Amy simply aren't a united front.

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Originally posted by hrm:
Your right she isn't his mommy.....but how about his friend?? You would look out for a friend, right?? Doesn't her husband deserve the same? And your comment about it being HIS problem (medical condition) that's just cold!!!!! I have been married 20 years and I take care of my husband and he takes care of me......and we both take care of our children!!!

That is great!!!

However, his medical condition and his medications do in fact belong to him, and he may have to own them, and take care of them, there's nothing cold about being a grownup, and not asking others to do your work for you.
Not imposing on your 'friends' or expecting mommy services when you are an adult is very grownup. Many people live succesfully in this fashion, and it suits them very well. Just another opinion on the subject...agree, or disagree..<shrug>.

Remember when Matt found out he was diabetic? He wanted to hire someone to deal with it for him and Amy kept saying HE was going to have to learn to deal himself? I live with someone who refuses to deal with their own stuff and it's extremely frustrating. And I have an aunt who won't manage her diabetes without severe prodding from the rest of the family. I totally get the attitude that Amy has toward the issue.

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Originally posted by treespryt:
Remember when Matt found out he was diabetic? He wanted to hire someone to deal with it for him and Amy kept saying HE was going to have to learn to deal himself? I live with someone who refuses to deal with their own stuff and it's extremely frustrating. And I have an aunt who won't manage her diabetes without severe prodding from the rest of the family. I totally get the attitude that Amy has toward the issue.

Spryt, I bet a lot of us have been along that road, and are completely burnt out with people not being able to take care of their own 'stuff' without somebody leading them by the hand. The problem is that it's never ending...having done it a few times, the helpless expect it to happen every time.. because they are 'helpless'. I have a friend who cannot gain control of eating habits, and blames Weight Watchers for not having speakers that are 'motivational' enuff...it's always someone else's thing to do, and never their own. I do remember MR saying, upon his diagnois of diabetes, "I'm gonna hire somebody"....and completely agree with Amy's refusal to be is 'home health care aid', too.

LPBWFan, I understand your point. Sarcasm directed toward a loved one is not a pleasant gesture.

For others, it must be nice to be so perfect and superior to those who are beneath your high standard of human conduct. Matt may not live at your level of distinction but showing a small bit of humility might be refreshing.

If I have offended then it serves as an example of how sarcasm can cause you to feel.

thanks tree song...the fact is that she said it with no sarcasm in her voice..she said it seriously as if it was some sort of "dig" she wanted to give him. In the scene I saw this was not 2 people lovingly joke around with eachother..sure couples joke but matt was not laughing at amy's comment..you can tell when people in love are giving each other a hard time.. this was not the case and for those of you who think this has something to do with taking care of someone..Amy always says not so nice things to matt..I think Matt tries by saying nice things to Amy but she has nothing nice to say.

LPBW... I see it also. Amy is shown making belittling comments to Matt, often in front of the children. Amy seems to resent Matt in some ways, perhaps due to the fact that he's been arrested twice for DUI, who knows. I just know that belittling your spouse in front of your children isn't right, no matter how you feel about your spouse. If Amy has issues with Matt they need to be discussed in private.

There is no need to be hateful to someone that doesn't take care of their own needs. It is hard to deal with. I know personally how hard. Sometimes you say things that aren't that nice but the bottom line is, when you love someone, you help them. Also belittling your spouse in front of your children is teaching them not to respect others and setting them up for the same kind of behavior when they get married.

thanks dreamingbythesea..you explained exactly how I feel..

If he just cannot manage to get to the pharmacy before going on a trip...I guess he'll have to hire somebody then.
Amy certainly let him know that she didn't have his pills, in a humorous way. After all, he just said in one of the last episodes "When push comes to shove (sic), I'm there for Amy, and she's there for me". Who would know better?

Yes, it's always humorous to tell someone they are going to die. I know that always does it for me!!

look at the context. They are in the middle of yet another out of control project that is seriously disrupting family life. Amy had just discovered that the trade show she was expected to go to and support the family business (and wanted to attend)was not on the days originally planned and were going to interfere with her work schedule. She made a statement that this kind of stuff happens all the time and she feels little respect for her schedule. Then Matt doesn't have his prescription and she's sarcastic (something she's good at). I do think sometimes there is resentment and it sometimes runs both ways.

The buildup to this "health crisis" was a lot more than when you actually saw the program. I didn't understand what the big deal they made of Amy having to step in a little with the KFC engagement cuz Matt wasn't feeling well. So? This is what people who love each other DO - why such a big deal? These last few shows sort of feel like the show is out of ideas....

I see most of Amy's sarcastic comments as glimpses to her frustrations. On TV, Matt does not appear to be a man who takes into consideration his family so I can only imagine what it is like when the filming crew is not there. It is Amy always asking, what about the kids? Not Matt... so her sarcasm is all she really has left in dealing with him. It’s almost as if Amy wants to scream... we are a success... accept it... be happy with all that we have achieved thus far. Yet, Matt constantly looks for something that will make him feel whole instead of looking inward or seeing what’s before his eyes. It can be extremely frustrating as you grow and get older in a relationship to have a husband who is determined to find success in material projects, not his family. Amy is always seen saying into the camera, season after season saying... “When will it end?” You have to be blind to not see the frustrations on her face when Matt discusses any project.

Its clear Amy is ready to see the world, educate herself by choice... she raised her kids for the most part... now she wants to see the success of it. But Matt is extremely depended on others and therefore limits Amy and his kids... which only leads to more frustration but never lack of love.

Heck! Allow Amy her words of frustration. She is young and able and should not have to spend the best years of her life raising her husband. I hope Amy gets every opportunity that she can to travel and experience life.

Oops... went off on a brief tirade.

Oh my! I cannot even believe this is a serious discussion. Amy was being sarcastic. Sarcasm is a form of humor. Some say having a sarcastic wit is a sign of intelligence. Sarcasm is also used as a coping mechanism. Some people use it all the time (it's a common form of humor in my household), while some never do. Let me tell you, if I didn't use sarcasm around my husband of 23 years and our four kids, men in white jackets would have to remove me from the premises on certain days.
Amy was being funny, and she was funny. Give her a break.

What about Amy's reaction when Zach drove the mule through the yard? There was no sarcasm in her voice when she made light of the incident, even though Zach had clearly been instructed numerous times not to use Matt's mule, nor to drive any mule through the yard.

Amy is constantly making hateful remarks to Matt and belittling him in front of the children.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rorie:
Oh my! I cannot even believe this is a serious discussion. Amy was being sarcastic. Sarcasm is a form of humor. Some say having a sarcastic wit is a sign of intelligence. Sarcasm is also used as a coping mechanism. Some people use it all the time (it's a common form of humor in my household), while some never do. Let me tell you, if I didn't use sarcasm around my husband of 23 years and our four kids, men in white jackets would have to remove me from the premises on certain days.
Amy was being funny, and she was funny. Give her a break.[/QUOTE



Rorie,
I haven't posted on this board for a long time but I have to respond to what you said.
My husband and I have been married for 45 years and he has this kind of "humor" that you spoke of.
It is hurtful to me and anyone else that it's directed to and also very embarassing.
You said Amy was just being "funny". This kind of "humor is not funny to anyone.
You call it "sarcastic wit".
I call it being plain rude and no manners at all and all of this fits Amy to well.

I've learned to live with this but I'll never get used to it.
I'm sure Matts feelings are hurt alot by Amy.
Believe me , I know they are.

Amy's father used this same sort of "humor" when he attacked Matt at Thanksgiving. I just don't consider hateful sarcastic remarks to be funny.

Everyone is different. Amy didn't mean that in a literal sense. Amy and Matt like hurling 'zingers' at each other.

My family is funny and sarcastic, but we, personally, never cross a certain line.

This is horrible! Amy is very disrespectful towards Matt. Amy also puts Matt down while with the kids. I do not think she has ever been in situation where she was in trouble with no one to help her. She talks too much and is a manipulator in my opinion. There is a problem when one finds it okay to verbally abusive to a person with disabilities. Matt does and puts up with way too much.

I recently read an interview with Matt Roloff where he addresses how incidences of 'disrespect' are purposely edited IN to make for more 'drama'. Obviously the powers that be consider it a draw, and a moneymaker.

Have never understand why he allows this, or signed away his right to object to such editing, which at various times has made every one of them appear in a bad light.

Matt is very loquacious...he talks more than just about anyone anywhere...to find that Amy 'talks too much' compared to that is funny!
I'm afraid he can't claim a ticket on 'disabilities' should prevent his wife from sharing her thoughts. They are both still there.

i adore my husband and we are in love and sometimes we are in heavy dislike. together for 20 yrs married 13 ...why should amy and matt be any different. all the bashers on here likey do nothing all day but watch tv. having toclue about real life they only see on reality shows shame on u people. God Bless the Roloffs and may there lives give you a view of 90% of america

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:
I recently read an interview with Matt Roloff where he addresses how incidences of 'disrespect' are purposely edited IN to make for more 'drama'. Obviously the powers that be consider it a draw, and a moneymaker.

Have never understand why he allows this, or signed away his right to object to such editing, which at various times has made every one of them appear in a bad light.

Matt is very loquacious...he talks more than just about anyone anywhere...to find that Amy 'talks too much' compared to that is funny!
I'm afraid he can't claim a ticket on 'disabilities' should prevent his wife from sharing her thoughts. They are both still there.

So you think it is okay for Amy to speak this way? Also if Matt is not disabled. What do you call those crutches, the skooter and all the surgury he has went through?

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Originally posted by maggieg815:
i adore my husband and we are in love and sometimes we are in heavy dislike. together for 20 yrs married 13 ...why should amy and matt be any different. all the bashers on here likey do nothing all day but watch tv. having toclue about real life they only see on reality shows shame on u people. God Bless the Roloffs and may there lives give you a view of 90% of america

Good for you but these messege boards are to talk to others and compare thoughts about the show. I have a REAL life and am not a basher. Keep the shame for yourself.

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:
Have never understand why he allows this, or signed away his right to object to such editing, which at various times has made every one of them appear in a bad light.

Did you see the before and after photos of his house?

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Originally posted by Copper11:

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:
I recently read an interview with Matt Roloff where he addresses how incidences of 'disrespect' are purposely edited IN to make for more 'drama'. Obviously the powers that be consider it a draw, and a moneymaker.

Have never understand why he allows this, or signed away his right to object to such editing, which at various times has made every one of them appear in a bad light.

Matt is very loquacious...he talks more than just about anyone anywhere...to find that Amy 'talks too much' compared to that is funny!
I'm afraid he can't claim a ticket on 'disabilities' should prevent his wife from sharing her thoughts. They are both still there.

So you think it is okay for Amy to speak this way? Also if Matt is not disabled. What do you call those crutches, the skooter and all the surgury he has went through?

Yes. Amy's his wife she shouldn't have to cater to him in emotional issues because of his physical disabilities.

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Originally posted by treespryt:

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Originally posted by Copper11:

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:
I recently read an interview with Matt Roloff where he addresses how incidences of 'disrespect' are purposely edited IN to make for more 'drama'. Obviously the powers that be consider it a draw, and a moneymaker.

Have never understand why he allows this, or signed away his right to object to such editing, which at various times has made every one of them appear in a bad light.

Matt is very loquacious...he talks more than just about anyone anywhere...to find that Amy 'talks too much' compared to that is funny!
I'm afraid he can't claim a ticket on 'disabilities' should prevent his wife from sharing her thoughts. They are both still there.

So you think it is okay for Amy to speak this way? Also if Matt is not disabled. What do you call those crutches, the skooter and all the surgury he has went through?

Yes. Amy's his wife she shouldn't have to cater to him in emotional issues because of his physical disabilities.

The emotional abuse from Matt's wife is the problem! Yes. What?

Actually, Copper, I don't watch television with the idea that someone on a reality 'should' say this and 'should not' say that. That would be unrealistic...of ME.
Matt oversees extravaganza projects, travels extensively and did so for business for 14 years before they had a tv show and certainly after, he wheels and deals, he races his VW, he zips along on a zipline.....and so, logically speaking, it seems he could get to a drugstore and refill his prescription! Amy is not his valet, altho I'm sure he would like one. That's my take on it, and as I mentioned before...agree or disagree <shrugs>.

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Originally posted by Frank Howard:

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:
Have never understand why he allows this, or signed away his right to object to such editing, which at various times has made every one of them appear in a bad light.

Did you see the before and after photos of his house?

Oh sure. I guess I just wondered to what extent people would allow themselves to be depicted negatively (for drama) and whether the payoff is sufficent to make it bearable. It must be....both sides are continuing on with it.

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Originally posted by magicarose:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rorie:
Oh my! I cannot even believe this is a serious discussion. Amy was being sarcastic. Sarcasm is a form of humor. Some say having a sarcastic wit is a sign of intelligence. Sarcasm is also used as a coping mechanism. Some people use it all the time (it's a common form of humor in my household), while some never do. Let me tell you, if I didn't use sarcasm around my husband of 23 years and our four kids, men in white jackets would have to remove me from the premises on certain days.
Amy was being funny, and she was funny. Give her a break.[/QUOTE



Rorie,
I haven't posted on this board for a long time but I have to respond to what you said.
My husband and I have been married for 45 years and he has this kind of "humor" that you spoke of.
It is hurtful to me and anyone else that it's directed to and also very embarassing.
You said Amy was just being "funny". This kind of "humor is not funny to anyone.
You call it "sarcastic wit".
I call it being plain rude and no manners at all and all of this fits Amy to well.

I've learned to live with this but I'll never get used to it.
I'm sure Matts feelings are hurt alot by Amy.
Believe me , I know they are.

I cannot agree with you more! Amy has something I call Toxic kindness she may say something kind but it ends with an emotional assault.

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:
Actually, Copper, I don't watch television with the idea that someone on a reality 'should' say this and 'should not' say that. That would be unrealistic...of ME.
Matt oversees extravaganza projects, travels extensively and did so for business for 14 years before they had a tv show and certainly after, he wheels and deals, he races his VW, he zips along on a zipline.....and so, logically speaking, it seems he could get to a drugstore and refill his prescription! Amy is not his valet, altho I'm sure he would like one. That's my take on it, and as I mentioned before...agree or disagree <shrugs>.

I hear you but I do not feel the same. I refuse to ever see it alright for anyone to treat their mate like Amy treats Matt. Also it IS abuse and that is NOT right in anyway. It is too bad there are enablers out there that accept this behavior.

Disagreement duly noted.

However...I believe your concept of 'enabling' is incorrect. Viewing the show is not 'enabling' anything except the R's bank
account, and you must be doing that, too.

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:

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Originally posted by Frank Howard:

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:
Have never understand why he allows this, or signed away his right to object to such editing, which at various times has made every one of them appear in a bad light.

Did you see the before and after photos of his house?

Oh sure. I guess I just wondered to what extent people would allow themselves to be depicted negatively (for drama) and whether the payoff is sufficent to make it bearable. It must be....both sides are continuing on with it.

They're, as the saying goes, laughing all the way to the bank as everyone who's a big star on TV is. That's the way it's always been.

And I don't mind it a bit. I do think that none of them..not one...has been enhanced in many intangible ways by agreeing to be on tv for several years, but tangibly, it has made them quite wealthy, perhaps exceeding the means of any other LP currently, and certainly many average-sized people.

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:
Disagreement duly noted.

However...I believe your concept of 'enabling' is incorrect. Viewing the show is not 'enabling' anything except the R's bank
account, and you must be doing that, too.

No, actually I am NOT. Thank You

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Originally posted by Copper11:

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:
Disagreement duly noted.

However...I believe your concept of 'enabling' is incorrect. Viewing the show is not 'enabling' anything except the R's bank
account, and you must be doing that, too.

No, actually I am NOT. Thank You

Higher viewership equals larger fees for the participants, so you ARE principally enhancing the Roloff's pocketbook by watching.

Whatever you say!

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Originally posted by Copper11:

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:
Actually, Copper, I don't watch television with the idea that someone on a reality 'should' say this and 'should not' say that. That would be unrealistic...of ME.
Matt oversees extravaganza projects, travels extensively and did so for business for 14 years before they had a tv show and certainly after, he wheels and deals, he races his VW, he zips along on a zipline.....and so, logically speaking, it seems he could get to a drugstore and refill his prescription! Amy is not his valet, altho I'm sure he would like one. That's my take on it, and as I mentioned before...agree or disagree <shrugs>.

I hear you but I do not feel the same. I refuse to ever see it alright for anyone to treat their mate like Amy treats Matt. Also it IS abuse and that is NOT right in anyway. It is too bad there are enablers out there that accept this behavior.

No need to thank me, I disagree with your opinion that 'it is too bad there are enablers out there that accept this behavior".(i.e. the behavior you consider to be Amy's 'abuse' of Matt). Who are they?
Are they viewers like yourself or myself who have no control over anyone's behavior, least of all people we see on tv and don't know from Adam's house cat?
How can we be 'enabling' people we don't know? The answer is....logically speaking..we cannot.
If you want to discuss the show...that's what this is here for... but changing the people on the show to make them fit your idea of what they should is out of the realm of possibility.

Mint... There is no point to even try to discuss this with you. You are obviously stuck and refuse to listen to any other point of view.

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Originally posted by Copper11:
Mint... There is no point to even try to discuss this with you. You are obviously stuck and refuse to listen to any other point of view.

I am 'stuck' on logic every time. No viewer is enabling anything but their bank account.

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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless:

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Originally posted by Copper11:
Mint... There is no point to even try to discuss this with you. You are obviously stuck and refuse to listen to any other point of view.

I am 'stuck' on logic every time. No viewer is enabling anything but their bank account.

Everyone who say it is okay for people to act the way she does enable this to continue everywhere. There is no logic in thinking there cannot or should not be change.

Everyone who say it is okay for people to act the way she does enable this to continue everywhere..........is your comment.
How?
I didn't say it was 'okay'...or anything else...my point is that I'm not "enabling" her by watching the show, and you are certainly not changing her by watching the show.

Mint,
I'm guilty too but maybe we should stop feeding Copper's ego.

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Originally posted by treespryt:
Mint,
I'm guilty too but maybe we should stop feeding Copper's ego.

Yep, agreed. I don't mind engaging in legitimate debate on an issue...but that "whatever you say" thing just isn't one.