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Lose the hostility

why don't you Nut-puppet lose YOURself and do as bfp suggests and go to the your buddy les's forum. You haters love talking trash about bear but your on the wrong forum for that... LOL what a bunch of idjuts. Kinda like Camper said,
CONFUSED.

I do go on the SM forum . . .

Why do you come here . . . haven't seen you ever post something about the show or survival . . . you just come on here to yell at us "haters" Did I ever say I didn't like the show itself? No . . . I simply dislike the dishonesty . . . I have said many times that I enjoy the show . . . it is entertaining . . .

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I simply dislike the dishonesty

What aload of crap that is, you haters want full disclosure and honesty from every TV show right...LOL..what planet have you all been on.

No I don't want honesty from every show . . . but nearly all shows are actually honest in what they are . . . Law and Order shows are crime drama's . . . Two and a half men is a sitcom . . . Reality TV is . . . ok that one's a lie . . . But if you make a show . . . and claim it to be a how to guide to survival . . . Then I have a problem . . .

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what planet have you all been on.

Earth, it exists in a little thing we like to call reality. As opposed to the wonderful fantasy land you live in. What was the name of it again? Oh yeah, Sealworld. lol

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Sealworld

hey thats pretty good, sealworld kinda like a spin on seaworld, where shamu dazzles the onlookers.

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I simply dislike the dishonesty

What aload of crap that is, you haters want full disclosure and honesty from every TV show right...LOL..what planet have you all been on.

Please define 'hater'.

i think "hater" was used to describe anyone who questioned the show or anything that bear has done.

nutz_III
unlike the people using the word to describe people who have to insult and demean other posters while they try to make themselves look better.

Yea, I know Nut.

Just trying to see what a big user of the word (zzbum) thinks it means.

It's been stated many times here by quite a few of us that we watch the show. I disagree with the bad advice and faking, but I still watch. I watch in the 'it's hard to look away from a trainwreck' mode, but I still watch.

According to some, that makes me a hater. They are to blinded by their nuthuggery of the host to see his 'short commings'.

Hater?

Oh thats easy. Low lifes who are jealous of others, success, skills, or looks. And in an attempt to make themselves feel better constantly attempt to tear them down with insults. They are easy to spot not only by their constant hating but also by their lack of the above social graces.

Now you can call me a hater hater, however this is a far more noble endeavor.

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Originally posted by zzbum:


Now you can call me a hater hater, however this is a far more noble endeavor.

ZZ, with the above statements like that, you're not doing a very good job of disproving my notion that MvW fans seem confused. Our disapproval is with Bear and is directed at him, but your disapproval is directed at us, if Bear is as good as you say, then debate us without the insults and name calling. Defend Bear, that's what this forum is about, am I correct?

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ZZ, with the above statements like that, you're not doing a very good job of disproving my notion that MvW fans seem confused

"hater hater"
LOL... agreed sounds confusing how about
haterDebater.

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Originally posted by zzbum: how about
haterDebater.

That would require debating. Do you debate? If so, please point it out to me as I haven't seen you debate anything.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally posted by zzbum:

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ZZ, with the above statements like that, you're not doing a very good job of disproving my notion that MvW fans seem confused

"hater hater"
LOL... agreed sounds confusing how about
haterDebater.

How about just debater, I don't hate Bear, I just don't approve of his show, which I stopped watching about the time of the very first post of this thread. List some things that'll make me want to watch his show again, so far, I'm convinced myself not to, and turn the channel right after Survivorman. The ball is in your hands.

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Our disapproval is with Bear and is directed at him, but your disapproval is directed at us, if Bear is as good as you say, then debate us without the insults and name

very good observation camper. Yes I detest haters, all they do is trash people they feel inferior to. Haven't read enough of your posts, not calling you one but there are many here that have the track record of ripping on bear for each and every thing he does, simply because they don't like him for whatever their sick reasons are. Then as I stated before, we have fad haters here that love to pile on when someone is being ridiculed or down, these are also bottom dwellers in my opinion.

No I don't think think bear is that great he's just average at survival, but he is good at what he does as a front man for a survival reality show.

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How about just debater, I don't hate Bear

the urban slang word "hater" is a bit of a misnomer. I don't believe haters actually hate their targets, I mean how could they, they seldom know them well enough. Go to any ballpark theres "player haters" all over the place, they don't really know the dude they just like hatin on him (with their buddies) cause of how skilled and rich he is.

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Haven't read enough of your posts, not calling you one......

No, you probably see very few of my posts on the MvW forum, since I started posting here just recently, and only because I was challenged by a MvW fan posting on the SM forum.

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No I don't think think bear is that great he's just average at survival, but he is good at what he does as a front man for a survival reality show.

That's my problem with Bear and his show, he is too good at being a good frontman, when you ask average people to do what I call "outlandish stunts" and try to pass them off as survival technics, I look away in disgust. Another dislike about Bear and his show is the fact that he made things look easy and that it can be done in one fell swoop. Les on the other hand, emulates wilderness survival closer to my personal experiences, mistakes and all. You're not going to be at your best after several day and night stays with the minimum of food or water, and no one else around in the immediate vicinity.

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so far, I'm convinced myself not to, and turn the channel right after Survivorman. The ball is in your hands.

Well as opposed to many of the so called experts here, there a some good tips and techniques demonstrated. Many are gotten straight from local's information. If you get one good idea it was better than watching most tv.

Watch it for beautiful scenery.
Watch it for the stunts.
Watch it to see what he'll eat

but don't watch it, just to then come here and ridicule the man, if you do that you're sick.

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Originally posted by zzbum:

Well as opposed to many of the so called experts here, there a some good tips and techniques demonstrated. Many are gotten straight from local's information. If you get one good idea it was better than watching most tv.

Watch it for beautiful scenery.
Watch it for the stunts.
Watch it to see what he'll eat

but don't watch it, just to then come here and ridicule the man, if you do that you're sick.

Well, two posts before the insults started again, more than I expected. I did watch a couple of episodes, and that was enough. My only other contact with MvW was through the "over the top" commercials and occasionally when changing channels. Again, convince me to watch Bear's show, without the insults and name calling.

Beautiful scenery, I see on Survivorman
Stunts, I'll watch the latest action/adventure movie.
Eats, I'll watch Rachel Ray.

[quote]That's my problem with Bear and his show, he is too good at being a good frontman, when you ask average people to do what I call "outlandish stunts" and try to pass them off as survival technics, I look away in disgust.
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Don't really follow that, why you would look away in disgust. The outlandish stunts like jumping of cliffs and climbing bear is very qualified for. Sure he uses safety gear, he's not actually in a life threatening situation.

Another dislike about Bear and his show is the fact that he made things look easy and that it can be done in one fell swoop.
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Ya everyone notices that, but its time constraints of the show. I don't want to see him start a friction fire real time. just show the basics if I REALLY wanna know I'll research it further.
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Les on the other hand, emulates wilderness survival closer to my personal experiences, mistakes and all.
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Les's show is more realistic, bears has more action and stresses to keep going and keep trying. And shows that surviving MAY require extreme measures. Kinda like the 2 girls that were attacked by a polar bear. The one that survived was out of options and jumped from a ledge , banged up and broken bones but she survived. (was on a few nights ago.. Discovery I think).
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You're not going to be at your best after several day and night stays with the minimum of food or water, and no one else around in the immediate vicinity.
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The shows are very different I like both.

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Originally posted by zzbum:

Don't really follow that, why you would look away in disgust. The outlandish stunts like jumping of cliffs and climbing bear is very qualified for. Sure he uses safety gear, he's not actually in a life threatening situation.

My point is that Bear is not in a survival situation, has safety gear, a standby crew that will tend to him in case of an accident and has professional knowedge of climbing, how many "average" persons are going to be able to replicate on the first try what Bear has taken years to learn.? I feel that Bear is more playing to the camera than being more realistic, survival is rather mundane for the most part, and not good for TV ratings. I can see doing some extreme measures when the need arises, such as facing certain death from a bear attack, having to jump off a cliff and possibly surviving is one matter, but climbing or jumping when it's really not needed and can only invite a even worse scenerio is another.

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My point is that Bear is not in a survival situation, has safety gear, a standby crew that will tend to him in case of an accident and has professional knowedge of climbing, how many "average" persons are going to be able to replicate on the first try what Bear has taken years to learn.? I feel that Bear is more playing to the camera than being more realistic, survival is rather mundane for the most part, and not good for TV ratings. I can see doing some extreme measures when the need arises, such as facing certain death from a bear attack, having to jump off a cliff and possibly surviving is one matter, but climbing or jumping when it's really not needed and can only invite a even worse scenerio is another

Really don't disagree with anything you said except.

I don't mind him playing to the camera, it keeps it intresting and although acted shows intensity of situations.

Also I think its obvious the extreme stunts are and should be reserved for extreme situations.Just like the girl was in, they showed the ledge she went off of and it was pretty extreme, steep and nothing but rocks and boulders. I do believe bear did demonstrate this one time. Maybe not as steep but the same concept, of trying to control your descent.