Why? Not as a challenge but out of curiosity. God loves your curiosity. Try talking to Him. He listens beleive it or not. Give it a try. Simple talk, as you talk to us is excellent. You can do it. Whats the worse that can happen? You end where you started.
This is how God works within Creation, observing from the outside and acting within through the Word (the doll). And in the case of God, the Holy Spirit sets life stories in motions just as the girls imagination did in her doll house.
So your saying that we are his puppets?
Every living thing is a puppet with the exception of humans.
If you have ever seen the Christopher Walken movie, "The Prophecy" or the Matt Damon/Ben Afleck movie "Dogma", the point is made that angels are forced to fall on bended knee before God. Humans, however, can choose to neglect God and deny His existence. The thing is, we aren't Pinnochio, we're real boys. We operate with no strings to tell us where to go.
But as it has been written, God has plans for us, plans that will not hurt us, but make us better. Especially evident in the case of Jonah, God didn't force the prophet to go and preach by His omnipotent power, He convinced him to go by showing him how painful life can be when someone deliberatley tries to go against the Will of the Almighty.
What are you talking about. Did you know the Builders of the Titanic said even God couldn't sink the ship. We all know what happened on its maiden voyage.
Yes, I know the builders said that. I think it is absurd to think God would drown 1500 people for that reason.
You think that Captain Edward Smith is God?
The Hubris of man is what drove that ship into ice fields at uncontrollable speeds and insured that there wouldn't be enough life boats on board. The Titanic, the Hindeberg, the Exxon Valdez, all could have been avoided. God wasn't in them, man's stupidity and arrogance brought every one of those ships down and every other one like them.
God gave man to perform the miracle like those He has done. We can end every war, feed every famine, quench every drought, weather any storm. The complacency of man is what keeps these things from happening, not the apathy of God.
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Thats true. But if it wasnt for man's arrogance and thirst for the impossible, christopher columbus wouldnt have discovered the new world, we wouldnt have landed on the moon, put sattelites in space, etc etc.
Originally posted by mysticone4life: Thats true. But if it wasnt for man's arrogance and thirst for the impossible, christopher columbus wouldnt have discovered the new world, we wouldnt have landed on the moon, put sattelites in space, etc etc.
What about the countless other deaths from natural disasters around the world. Who are we to question God why these disasters happen. There is a reason for everything in life.
So there is a reason that the world is so screwed up? All the war and economy problems and destruction of the environment? That sounds like something that a loving "god" would not let happen.
It is sad to see all you can see are the bad in this world Bark.
People of faith are the majority that tries to help and give hope to those that need it. Be it any faith, it's always comes down with having faith and hope, and not just thinking of ourselves.
What about the countless other deaths from natural disasters around the world. Who are we to question God why these disasters happen. There is a reason for everything in life.
So there is a reason that the world is so screwed up? All the war and economy problems and destruction of the environment? That sounds like something that a loving "god" would not let happen.
That's what Holy Communion is for. The Jews needed God to pull them out of the fire and deliver them from their enemies. Christ opened up a new opportunity, by giving His Blood and Body to His Aposltes, He handed down His power to them. This power has been handed down for millennia to us. Something happens when Christian move into a country. Crime rates drop, food and water problems begin to be resolved, education becomes available, health improves, etc... We have the capabilities to solve every problem that comes our way.
Originally posted by Barkwhisker: Are you sure about that? Gas= $4.00+ War in Iraq Global Warming Destruction of rain forest
If "god" can help us out of problems why would he help us ito problems?
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The Jews needed God to pull them out of the fire and deliver them from their enemies.
Why were they there in the first place?
Okay the first three can be achieved by getting Bush out of office, the last one would require taking control of the Rain Forest and building up the third world nations that it and other massive tropical forests spread across enough so that the countries involved aren't dependent on using rain forest land for an economy.
The Jews are a special nation, one guarunteed to go through Hell. The Hindu's and the Israelites are some of the longest lasting races in the world. God made a promise to Abraham, the father of the Jewish nation and first monotheist, to some day redeem the world through his line. Abraham got a little impatient with God when it came time to father an heir. Thinking that his old wife was barren, he did the common ancient practice of using a slave as a surrogate. This lapse in faith showed a pattern that the Israelites would repeat endlessly through out their history.
Later, Abraham's wife Sarah concieve and gave birth to another son, the one who God meant to carry on the line and give rise to the Messiah.
For generations, this line was persecuted and exiled, only to be led to a land of plenty by some chain of miracles. The Jews would inevitably lapse back into their neglectful ways and would subsequently be conquered again and exiled from a promise land and be led back to it in a repeating cycle. Any other people would (and many probably have) vanish beneath the sands of time and never be heard from again. Israel is the exception, God made a promise to always perserve a Remnant who would carry on the people until God had redeemed the entire world.
And we still see the effects today, until the lost tribes of Israel can be reunited in Jerusalem and Solomon's Temple rebuilt, we can't have our Apocalypse (and one of the requirements for a Messiah is to be anointed by a rabbi, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it).
Here's may take on it Animus, The Great Almighty, (oh my I'm starting to talk like you) Gave us the promise land, not for the Jews, but of all three faiths. Not until all three faiths come together and live in harmony, The Almighty gave us this land, an opportunity if you will so we have to come bak together as a family. Then Christ the Lord will come back with the others and show us a true revelation.
Originally posted by Barkwhisker: Are you sure about that? Gas= $4.00+ War in Iraq Global Warming Destruction of rain forest
If "god" can help us out of problems why would he help us ito problems?
Our Father give us opportunities and strength to help ourselves.
see it this way, if every time a child jumps and whines, because they are not getting their way, is the parent doing more harm and than good giving their child everything the child wants.
It'll be more beneficial for the child, or teenager to know tough love. That's when you know the parent truly loves the child
But that is just what someone wants not killing several people.
My main point is that nobody has given me a valid reason why I should listen to this. For all we know Jesus and God could have been characters in the first novel ever written and then somebody misunderstood it.
That's somewhat true, people can read God's word and take it how they want too. Or they can change the meaning to compliment their beliefs, but it's up to everyone to use their own common sense.
After George Carlin died, we were watching some videos of him, and he made an important point that this reminds me of. If the Bible is God's word, you'd think more of the people who "claim" to follow it would bother to read it.
Originally posted by Lock40guy: Here's may take on it Animus, The Great Almighty, (oh my I'm starting to talk like you) Gave us the promise land, not for the Jews, but of all three faiths. Not until all three faiths come together and live in harmony, The Almighty gave us this land, an opportunity if you will so we have to come bak together as a family. Then Christ the Lord will come back with the others and show us a true revelation.
I see you point, but have to disagree. We all are meant to have our stakes in Israel, but the Hebrews are the divinely ordained stewards of the land. The Muslims, the descendant of Ishmael will fufil God's Covenant with Abraham by aiding the Returned Messiah. We however aren't meant to settle in the Holy Land. Since the Apostles received their charge from the Christ, it was clear that the Christians weren't meant to find any country in this world to call and make their own. We can't stop wandering until the Messiah returns and builds Heaven on Earth. Until then, we still have to travel the world and make Christians of all nations, baptizing them in the name of Christ.
The heart of your argument is made up of questions that have answers. Unfortunetly, you do not understand those answers. A personal relationship between man and creator is ridiculous. People who have the ability to talk to ghosts is absurd. You have not seen a ghost, poltergeist, the devil, or Jesus Christ so the only conclusion you come to is they do not exist. So the only question I have for you: What is the answer to your original question?
