Aztecs 16/17 members Same dominant pair Monkulus is pregneat Burdock was evicted once. one encounter with Jason Bourne one with Michalangelo 9 with Burdock 1 with Squig one with Hoki Tu. Burdock was absent at the end of the month.
Baobab 26/27 members same dominant pair. Hawkeye is pregneat Scorpion King and Jason Bourne roved once. One encounter with Michalangelo Njovu was absent at the end of the month.
Drie Doring same dominant pair there is no VFM114. one encounter with Bramley one with Black Jack.
Elveera Last Seen.
Frisky 15/17 members Bootle is pregneat Bramly and Black Jack roved once. Crotchet was evicted once Quaver was evicted twice. 2 unknown encounters 1 encounter with VWM128 one with Juno 1 with Nugget 8 with Crotchet 8 with Quaver.
Geckos 17/23 members same dominant pair Suzi Two Tone Macfloozie is pregneat AnnieAnnieAnnie Jemima and 4 others are absent at the end of the month.
Jaxx 13 members Diana is dominant female. Diana is pregneat one unknown encounter one encounter with Rufus.
Kung Fu 19/21 members same dominant pair. Kleintjie is pregneat Mcdreamy was evicted twice one encounter with Juno 6 with Mcdreamy Mcdreamy and Bauer? were absent at the end of the month.
Moomins 19/23 members 4 pups same dominat pair Hemulen gave birth4 of Misable,Frida, Sexi Plexi, and Regopstaan were absent at the end of the month. Michalangelo roved 3 times.
Rascals same dominant pair 13 members. Islay is pregneat.
Sequoia same dominat pair 6 members Benzedrine is pregneat. Baby bear died. one group encounter with Whiskers.
Nequoia 15 members same dominant pair 3? pups
Toyta 8/9 members same dominant pair. Miss Lilly The Pink is pregneat Stop it was evicted once one encounter with Gump one encounter with Juno. one encounter with Paymister 3 with Stop it 1 group encounter with Whiskers. Stop it was absent at the end of the month.
Van Helsing 14/18 members same dominat pair Flo is pregneat Hoki Tu roved once. Billy Tortilla and and Troy were evicted. 2 encounters with Jason Bourne and Scorpion King one with Michalangelo. Billy, Plonker, Troy, and Torilla were absent at the end of the month.
Whiskers 10/15 members same dominant pair Ella is pregneat. Juno roved 2 times Gump roved once VWM128 roved 3 times Marico roved 1 Nugget roved once Oriole was evicted once. one encounter with Superman and Paymister. 11 encounters with Oriole 1 encounter with Juno, Nugget, Marico, VWM128, one group encounter with Toyota. Nugget, Juno, Marico, VWM128 and Oriole were absent at the end of the month.
VFM114 is one of many typo's this month (the detailed LH is full of them)
Nice job Sophie, you missed Lazuli off though. Most importantly / most worrying : Axel roved once. Axel encountered Elveera once. Axel is absent at the end of the month. If Axel has stayed with what might be left of Elveera it's VERY bad news. All members had extensive TB infections, the group shattered.. if Axel has stayed with any of them he is almost certainly going to become ill with TB. The worst case scenario in my opinion is Axel becomes sick and goes home to Lazuli! TB is really taking a hold of the Kalahari.. roving just got even more dangerous.
I had hoped for a better future for Axel but if he is with Elveera, I hope he does not go back to Lazuli. Just since 2008 to the present KMP have lost around 8 groups and the year before even more. I hope we don't loose anymore this year.. the low numbers in groups like Sequoia and Toyota are worrying! If TB get's in there they won't stand a chance
One little plus is that Diana in JaXX is pregnant. Rhogan Josh is most probably the father he roved there last month. Im suprised he has not joined as it looks like they get on quite well!
Sorry guys i was rushing this mourning i woke up late. It is also good news for the Whiskers as well they need a baby boom too Oriole is evicted for the first time im not very surprised her and Sabota are almost 2 years old and were do to become pregneat shortly. Axels situation worries me. On another positive side Rufus has started to rove as well as Hoki Tu. It has been a while since Benzedrine has been pregneat hopefully with all of whats left of the Sequoia that are now all adults or very close to it can help to raise them. Its very sad about Elveera even though we all knew it was coming.. its always hard for us. It also seems that Lh data is starting to come earlier in the month. The Hoopla are last seen, The baobab males are thought to be habutated still no word from Evi or Plonker. Jaxx is probably semi habuatated. Its also great news for Hemulen her first surviving litters! I worry though about her sisters they hadnt been listed as evicted or any encounters this month.
The other thing I didnt mention the Whiskers boys are absent but they were roving they werent listed as evicted so does that mean Thundercat calmed down? Also this is the third month that VWM128 was listed. Blondie being last seen seems to be just from predation similar to the Toyota not very many of the pups usually survive besides Blondies litter of 6. Islay is pregneat and is due to give birth soon which should bring their numbers back up. Miss Lilly The Pink is pregneat as well hopefully with 6 adults they can raise a full litter of pups this time if she has them.
All the evicted Whiskers males (and Oriole) appeared at the Whiskers, and they probably tried to rejoin. I think they are evicted for good. I would like to see if they are last seen next month, and if they join a group, or appear as independent rovers.
I don't think the Whiskers males will rejoin either.. Thundercat clearly does not want a 'possibly-not-related' male/s hanging around. The shear amount of Roving they are doing and the distance they have gone, it's becoming clear that they are looking for somewhere new to call home.. They've shown up at Frisky this month. Drie Doring has a natal DM who is occasionally roving, a little further for the Whiskers boys and they might just strike lucky! Drie has not had a non related DM since Osprey (Basil / Big Si's son) a very long time ago now.
If what we think Axel's fate is becomes true then we have lost the last 3 Young ones to the same group and to the same cause.
I wish JaXX would get a DM. prefebly RJ (he deserves it) or again any of the homeless Whiskers boys. (that's me being selfish)
The evicted Whiskers males appear as if they are desperately looking for a group. The roved everywhere- to the Lazuli, the Toyota, the Kung Fu, the Frisky. It worries me that they were forced to do it, and that they have no experience in roving. Even Gump is roving, presumably following the older males.
It's nice to see Rufus Whiskers/Lazuli roving again.
RIP Elveera. They were a great group and will be missed. My concern now is for Axel, who could easily be with them. He always liked to rove at Elveera and if he is missing it seems the likely place. Their males would be in no state to chase or fight. And it is easy to list the kats who tried to join dying groups and died with them...
I'm also worried for groups that may move into their territory. It is ranchland and several groups could expand their borders that way with Elveera gone, especially Toyota. They are small and suffer frequent IGIs and might find the suddenly open land away from Abba inviting. Whiskers might also move south under pressure from Kung Fu, or Jaxx southeast from wild groups/Lazuli.
Yay for Hemulen's pups! I wonder what the other Moomins ladies are doing? Could there be a new group? Also, there is an error in the numbers. Last month Moomins had 20 members. This month there are four pups and 23 members. Who is gone?
RIP Baby Bear. Sequoia really need Benzedrine's next litter, but they have few individuals to care for them. Bruce was such a super-rover I am a little surprised he is staying with such a small group. I hope he still does. They could grow a lot this year with luck.
The absent individuals in Van Helsing could make an excellent splinter. I wonder if they are sticking together? Billy could easily become a DF if she is bold enough to break away.
There are a lot of pregnancies. I hope the rains come strong for the new pups.
The Moomins are most likely a typo. Bruce stayed with Benzedrine basicly because she is unrelated to him he waited through winter as all un natal dominant males did and he certainly waisted no time in trying to add their numbers. Im surpirsed Plonker hasnt roved while being evicted. It might certainly be a splinter group they might of been permantly evicted I dont know its to early to see. I hope The Whiskers Boys arent last seen maybe start a new group maybe join one I just dont want epscially Nugget or Juno to be last seen.
Based on the amount of Roving the Whiskers boys are doing, would it be possible for them to meet the Moomins females? It looks as if they've just quit the group, assuming that they have not already met some other individuals this could be a nice situation for the Whiskers males to be in, providing they do meet - no ousting or fighting from natal males.. just the promised land.
I agree with most of you that the Whiskers boys will not come back home. Thundercat seems to fear them and continues to evict, and they are really roving hard. I hope they meet up with some females and start thier own group. The moomis females is a good possibility. They would have a decent sized group from the outset. As much as I like RJ, the Jaxx would be a nice fit for them. I just hope the Whiskers can survive the loss of muscle. I hope Oriole is allowed back in
I am wondering if Burdock will ever return to the Aztecs. She keeps getting evicted.
I hope Axel did not pick up TB. He roved a lot at Elveera, even before we saw the big TB problem. I doubt he is going back to Lazuli. He has been roving a ton.
Unfortunately, any other group, even a wild group can move in a last seen group's territory. The Hoppla, the Commandos, the Hoppla territory. The Lazuli, the JaXX, and the Baobab can move into the former Hoppla territory.
Monkulus daughters are growing up the older they get the less needed burdock and squig are needed in the group. Abaca Monkulus's oldest daughter is almost 2 years old and can easily take the place of one of them.
I agree with Sophie711. Burdock and Squigg for some time now have been a useful 'tool' in bringing up Monkulus's litters. They are not a 'must have' anymore given her daughters are older now. Like it or not, they will eventually be evicted.. Like any dominant male or female, first step is to get to the top, second is to eliminate any competition.. you never know though, maybe if they are evicted and it's permanent, new groups could be formed!
Zaphod is fine. Maybelline allowed the girls (her nieces) to stay for some time. They are about 2.5 years old. She didn't allow them to have pups though.
Yes I agree. Monkulus/Maybelline would want to keep Squigg and Burdock in the group since they were sexually mature and able to allo-lactate to feed her pups. But now the Aztec daughters of Monkulus are aging, and also able to allo-lactate. And yes, the older they get the more likely they are to be evicted. This is gradually how new groups are formed. Females from various groups get evicted, meet roving males/other meetkats, etc.
Also (if I've read correctly that is) that the farther away a certain subordinate female is (as far as relation goes) to the DF they are more likely to be evicted. For example, De La Soul in the whiskers being Flower's niece, not daughter.
I think age is the most important factor for eviction simply because the older a subordinate female is the more likely she is to hear the calls of Motherhood, the more pups she is allowed to have or more dominant-like behaviour she exibits (like killing the DF's pups or evicting other subordinates) the more likely she is to want to challenge/overthrow the DF for the top spot, an SF who is unrelated to the DM can often attract his attention by acting this way - more for a DF to worry about so it's only in a DF's best interest to elliminate any misbehaving SF's.
Good example of what happens if you allow SF's to do what they like is Grumpy - being too nice does not pay off in Meerkat society.
Burdock may be allowed back but eventually if not this time, she will be evicted. Monkulus is not a leanient DF and certainly does not wrap her subordinates up in cotton wool.. If Burdock is doing anything she shouldn't be doing then she needs to watch out.
Im not certain about relatives being less or more evicted by how close they are.. Risca was evicted after trying to assert dominance on Vialli, her cousin (ultimatley loosing her position) in Youngones, after Morgausse died it was not Asterix who rised as the successor as eldest female but her little sister Veda.. Flower as we know evicted all different relatives. The best place for any dominant to be at is having yourself, your mate and just your offspring in the group.
Males usually only evict unrelated males as apposed to natal males, there are exceptions such as Thundercat evicting the Whiskers males but in all reality he probably does not realise that they are natal. The 2 main 'threats' to his Dominance are Ella's Half-Nephew (Nugget) and Grandson or Great nephew (Juno) both who are huge males.. so it's not like they would even smell similar in scent to Ella, I would not think anyway.
Its very weird dominant behavior Wollow didnt evict the natal males a year after coming. I think Thundercat just wants the males he raised from pups see how Savuka hasnt been evicted with them? I think he was in July/June but that was when Thundercat may of got to much of himself.
Savuka is probably among the evicted males. He is VWM129, and we see VWM128 as evicted for three months. This is a typo of course. There is no VWM128, only VWF128, Sabota, a female. This happened in June, before Ella became pregnant (in August), so there was no reason to evict any females. In fact she did it now.
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Lazuli was bigger than Whiskers at the time Wollow and Thundercat exchanged Dominance rolls. We don't know much about the Yearling Lazuli males at that time, young males don't often challenge an immigration of males, equaly non noatal immigrants do not see them as much of a threat as an adult male, probably due to lack of experience. Yossarian, Zarathustra and Sepp did not have any issue with / from the Lazuli yearlings, it was when the adult males returned they had a problem.
As far as Whiskers go, as I mentioned a while ago, Thundercat may think Nugget and Juno were Adults at the time he joined due to their size, additionally it's not as if they have a sign up at the burrow saying "Whiskers" - the group was that small, they could appear to an outsider as newly formed, a couple of adult males, an adult female and her offspring? Thundercat joined what appears to be unchallenged, he probably asserted Dominance immediatly, now the group is a bit bigger he does not want the adult males around.
We will find out next month. Males are declared last seen three months after they are absent from their group. After this if they are unattached rovers, they can be in the Chuckle Brothers. They can be in a group, or back to the Whiskers, as well by then. I'm not too hopeful regarding the last option.
The Whiskers males joined the Lazuli easily in June 2008 because all the adult Lazuli males were roving too. The Lazuli males joined other groups (Thundercat/the Whiskers), or created new groups (Hoppla).
Hey everyone! It's been a couple months since I have posted on these forums, and maybe I am out of the loop, but wasn't there more groups then just the ones mentioned on this August lh report? I do remember the Commandoes either dieing out or disappearing, but what happened to the other original groups of meerkat manor season 1,2,3 and 4. What happened to the Lazuli and (I can't remember the other groups name off the top of my head), the other group that were rivals to the Whiskers in season 2 and 3? I really miss Meerkat Manor and watch the reruns whenever I can afternoons, but it is still not the same as watching new episodes to understand what is currently going on there.
1-If they are rovers (one would assume since they are mature adults they would be, but I'm not positive)
2-If they come in contact with/become affiliated with the CB roving colation.
Even though the CB are not a defined 'group', and simply a number of rovers, I believe that they still reside together? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Phil, the "curse of meerkat manor" a phrase coined a while ago to certain groups.. out of all the groups featured on Meerkat Manor, only Lazuli, Aztecs and Whiskers remain. Weve seen other MM groups and the actors that played Commandoes, Elveera, Youngones, Zappa, Starsky, Vivian all fall in the real Manor sadly.
Chuckle Broz: It's neither a group or a coalation really, it's more a term for an unattached Rover.. at one point the rovers where all radio collared for a students study on the lifestyle of roving males Evi mentioned a while ago. Some travelled together such as the dispersed Elveera rovers, and the dispersed / now dead/Lseen Youngones males. others alone such as Monsoon-moon or like Bruce, ofcourse settled at Sequoia. If CB are not followed, they are not tracked but an individual such as Rhogan Josh who keeps appearing at JaXX is still known as 'a chuckle brother' rather than 'a meerkat that does not live anywhere that we know of' probably because its easier termanology.
I doubt all the males ever resided together, some will have done such as Rhogan Josh and Machu Picchu after leaving Lazuli. Homestar Runner with Phillipe after leaving Youngones.. later Phillipe teamed up with Bruce (which was the basis for the suggestion that Bruce was a Youngones if not a wild male) for roving. The Elveera boys stuck together as they where seen together last at Commandoes.
The first Chuckle Brothers were Homestar Runner (one of the meerkats that portrayed Wilson on MM, in S4 specifically), and his littermate Philippe Young Ones. Their group, the Young Ones was last seen, and since they were still roving in the Reserve (they became closely associated to the Whiskers, and the Aztecs), they were classified as such. Afterward all unattached rovers (that left their group, but they were still in the observed population) were categorized in the Chuckle Brothers. Most of them were related, and roved together. Not all Chuckle Brothers (obviously) reside together.
The "curse" is TB. Recently, the Commandos, the Elveera, and the Hoppla were last seen as groups because of it.
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The Zappa was not lost to TB, the remainder of the group moved too far away to be observed and thus was LSEEN+. Youngones suffered with TB and most of the group were lost to it. Phillipe was LSEEN+ if he did have TB (never confirmed) and died then his body was never found.. he could be about somewhere. Also the Youngones most probably left the reserve unlike the other groups that all died of TB, the group consisted of 2 adult females and 4 wild males when last observed, habitution was progressing slowly and there are no documents to suggest that the members where infected however one day the group could not be located, researchers tried to find them for 3 months yet they where never seen again. Interestingly both Females were radio collared so it's likely they just left the reserve as neither signal could ever be tracked.
Lazuli is the best example of a group that has been ravished with TB yet has always pulled through.
I read on FKMP that the most common cause of death is "unknown" as most Meerkats simply dissapear.
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I see Zaphod thanks for clearing that up for me. Didn't it say on KMP's website that the Zappa were ravaged by disease? The website isn't pulling up for me at the moment so I can't double check...
Yes zettak. It had been a while since I last looked at the LH's on KMP's website and I was shocked to see that the Commando's had been COMPLETELY wiped out. (Well just about. After the meerkat who was wearing the radio collar died the few remaining members could no longer be tracked). Sad considering they use to be one of the most successful mobs on the reserve
A majority of the groups/kats which we're talking about here were never mentioned on the show. We get this information from KMP's website, about all the kats and groups which reside on the reserve. That's probably why you're a bit thrown off.
Zappa's Description: individuals did die of 'disease' but that was no factor to the groups fate, Zappa was in a similar position to that of the Whiskers previously - very low numbers (single digits) sadly, Zappa unlike Whiskers where quite far away from other groups and after the Males (Withnail, Indi and Gimli etc) left Zappa for a wild group, the females and the remainder moved a considorable distance away, making it no longer practical for observation.
Theres no reason why other males could not have joined and individuals do lead successful lives away from observation (although we often think the worst when we can not witness it) Gin Lazuli (son of Cazzana and Yossarian) was seen in Zappa territory quite some time after he was LSEEN+ he travelled a considorable distance.
TB is a terrible fate of a group, most "clean" groups have had one or two cases it seems but if TB gets it's claws in - there is no hope, Elveera and Commandoes are a prime example, all members were seriously ill before vanishing (which probably means they are dead)
Axel: we will have to wait for the next LH to check but put it this way.. it does not look good as he roved to Elveera (which is now LSEEN due to disease) and was absent at the end of the month - I hope he did not stay as if he did, he will probably become sick too and die.. even worse, he could become ill and return to Lazuli and spread it.
The last observed Zappa (November 2008) were a little more than two year old female, Katesa (Lola's daughter), the DF, a year old female, Eowen (Punk's daughter), and three juveniles, Milla's daughters. Milla was Lola's other daughter, and she was probably bitten by a snake, and died earlier.
After Milla died Katesa became dominant female like mentioned at a little over 2 years. Who knows though some wild males could of joined them or maybe they did die out for now we wont know.
Unless one of the remaining member's was wearing a radio collar, it's unlikely that they'll ever be able to be tracked again if...
1- They did survive, and 2- They someday do come back onto the reserve
Their dye-marks will have long since faded away and even though they could probably be identified as habituated and not wild, researchers will have no way of ever knowing which group they came from.
I miss the Zappa. If any of Zappa did return to the research area, they could likely be identified. I think that all habituated meerkats have an ID chip. Not sure if the wild male meerkats that joined the Zappa were habituated enough to have an ID chip but Katesa, Eowyn, Eeny, Miney and Mo should.
Oh I see. If that's the case then yes. I didn't realize KMP put ID chips in their "subjects" so to say, lol. I just remember reading one time on KMP's website that they had found some "unknown habituated meerkats" before, so I assumed they could not be identified.
he roved there last month. Im suprised he has not joined as it looks like they get on quite well!