Can some one tell me whats up with The Aztecs?

Ah, I love these 'what if' topics

It is very probable that Zappa met with wild males I imagine. There was a massive gap between Zappa territory and the rest of the habituated groups but wild groups would inhabit the gap between the two territories. Withnail the former DM, Indy and VZZM058 (not named) joined Zappa from a wild group, equally they left Zappa along with Punk's son Gimili for another wild group.

Zappa's radio collar was removed as the group could no longer be followed so we will probably never know their fate. The remaining individuals would be ID chipped although being females it is unlikely we will see them again. Males could rove to a habituated mob but females tend to just disappear. Any one of them could I suppose start another mob someday but again it is unlikely we will get to see it firstly because of the territory and secondly it is hard work to habituate a group from scratch and resources etc.

ID chips help identify LSEEN meerkat's sometimes.Beebop who founded PK, Rhogan Josh, Piripichio where identified this way at JaXX. Gin Lazuli was identified by his ID chip in Zappa territory.

the unknown habituated meerkats often seen as 'UNK' can be for different reasons, sometimes there is not time or it's not practical to scan for a transponder reading of a 'tame' roving male who could be anyone. Sometimes there maybe meerkats with similar dyemarks and it was not possible to identify them.
Other UNK's are such as the Nequoia group, a new(ish) group which consists of quite friendly individuals could be either a 'lost' semi-habituated group such as Java (which may not have been ID'ed - I don't know) or could consist of LSEEN+ individuals and they are not yet checked for ID chips.

Bruce was first encountered and described as a 'habituated but not ID chipped rover' so it is possible he is either a member of a short lived semi habituated group that was lost (although as many have said he seems a bit too habituated for that) or he is a LSEEN member of another group who ID chip has become defected or lost (rare but possible) ID chips can be lost through an open wound whilst they move around the body.

Zorro Pal,
The Aztecs as of August 2009 were up to 17 members. The 17 members consisted of Monkulus(Maybeline), Zaphod, Alonzo Mourning, Burdock, Squig, (Marmite, Piglet,Abaca, Dali Darwin, Moliere, Lola, Chaka, Proteus, VAZP013 and VAZP014. are all Monkulu's children. Monkulus and Zaphod are still dominant pair Monkulus is pregneat. Burdock was evicted once and absent at the end of the month.

I really hope some zappa are in the Nequoia it would be good to have atleast so elveera known blood still alive.

I am overjoyed whenever any Last Seen meerkat returns. I was looking at the Group Territory Maps on the FKMP website. Looks like the best opportunity for the return of Zappa males would be Jaxx. Jaxx has one of the closer territories to the last known location for Zappa. A roving ex-Zappa male could take advantage of the absence of a DM at Jaxx. I have to wonder how much longer Jaxx will continue without a DM.

The Zappa is long gone........ They disapeared in about Spring 2008. Houdini Died along with Punk, And Lola. Some might still be alive, They might have their own tiny mob on the out side, Were the KMP can't studdy them.

Zorro pal,
There was no Houdini Zappa as well as no Frank zappa those are made up meerkat names. Lola Zappa was last seen not recorded dead in December 2007. Punk was predated in August 2008. There isnt a small group splinter group becuase the meerkats were last seen at diffrent times. Houdini was one of the Hoax wild males first observed in December 2006. He was last seen in December 2008 when he and some Moomins males were ousted by wild males. I think the males left the reserve?

Lola was evicted, and was last seen. She was a lone meerkat, and she was most probably predated.
The Zappa males appeared as emigrated in November 2008. They could have joined a wild group, because they obviously didn't join a habituated group, or they could have moved outside the Reserve.

Also, the "Zappa" we saw on MM weren't the real Zappa group. Many of those scenes we saw of the "Zappa" were actually of other neighboring groups surrounding Whiskers territory, Just like when we saw the "Commandos"...it wasn't really them either. The real Zappa's were living on the far FAR out-skirts of the reserve and far out of range of the Whiskers. I imagine we never even saw the real Punk on the show.

Gluffs of Youngones who was one of the Meerkats (and Zappa DM) who played Frank (and was Lola and Punk's father I think) left as related DM's do along with a few sons - Pronker mentioned that they joined a wild group that was not followed. Dougal Zappa (who played Houdini) was away roving at this time so Puck, a younger male established Dominance, we saw Dougal return in the MM scene (and Frank got younger ) they had their little 'dance for dominance' in reality Puck was probably quite intimidated by this bigger older male growling at him and submitted to Dougal making him DM. The scene where Frank was chased was actually a Youngones male chasing roving Zaphod away.

I would be quite amazed if a Zappa male turned up one day simply because Zappa seems a bit like Gattaca in the scence it barely ever grew! less members, and more females would suggest it's unlikely we will see them again. Any Zappa male that actualy made it to a fully grown adult would probably be in a Dominant position and would not rove.

Oh we saw the Zappa on MM!
just never with the Whiskers. It was like Commandoes in the earlier seasons - the Groups Dominant couple where that from Vivian group, we saw other members occasionally too but you never see them in a scene with Whiskers because apart from Zaphod and Co joining the two groups never met.

Zappa, we saw the real dominant couple and many real stories but if Zappa ever met Whiskers on MM it was really Youngones.

The Zappa dominants (former, or current) were shown on MM: Lola, Punk, and the natal males Glufs, Puck, Dougal. The whole group was not presented. It was the Young Ones instead, neighbors (back then) of the Whiskers.

I think it's time for the KMP to come out with a new names list. Since the last one back on April 30, three groups have been LSEEN and there is one new group, the Nequoia. I am most anxious to see who is in that group. I think Logan (VWM073) and Orinoco (VWM101) are two possible members. Not too long ago Logan was seen as part of a wild group (possibly the now named Nequoia). Orinoco is roving male who I think is still alive. I can't wait to see the members of the Nequioa named.
And what about Sequoia2? I thought the KMP had a beat on Sid Vicious and Finn.

Aztecs description, interestingly mentions "two rovers emmigrated to a wild group" yet it was only Logan who was "seen in a wild group" so im assuming that both Logan and Orinoco have been seen now.. Wild groups can be seen regularly whilst observing Habituated groups and it can occasionally be possible to identify habituated members ie: Abba contains or atleast contained several YoungOnes males.

The 'Current groups' page needs to be updated still. The Radio Collared individual in Nequoia has a name and each LH in the Friends burrow gives any new pup names until the nameslist is fully updated.

I too am wondering what happened to Finn's splinter of Sequoia - it has never been found. It was lead by Finn as DF and Sid Vicious as DM but Ive got a feeling that it may join Unicorn and other groups that just went missing for no obvious reason. They searched for some time to find SQ2 - it was how they found Nequoia.

I wondered for a while about Finns splinter as well.. They had thought the Nequoia was the Sequoia splinter for a while till they could start being followed and found that it wasnt. It is a big possibility that they did join the Unicorn and other groups that just disapeared.. or the bad thing would be if the group disapeared because of predation... they only had 2 adults 2 juviniels and 2 pups not really a good chance but miracles happen. I dont know if the Nequoia is Logan and Orinocos group.. wouldnt they be able to tell by now if it was? Its been a few months no word from Evi or Pronker on the subject.

Sophie, you mentioned in mitch_is_bomb's post that your membership order was stuck? does this mean you have joined? if so the answer to your question on Nequoia lies in the burrow

Zaphod,
I did join but they havent recived my money order because I sent it in early july and im still waiting. I was busy with school so I havent been able to email them but I emailed Evi a few days ago they said they double checked and they didnt find any order under my last name. So im going to check the money order see if it did get stuck somewhere hopefully I will be able to get into the burrow sometime this week. I really do want to know about the nequoia.

Glufs was not a "natal" Zappa male. I believe he was a Young Ones. I said it in the sense that he was like one. The DFs Lola, and Punk were probably his daughters. If not, they grew up considering him a father figure.

Indy, Withnail, and Gimli Zappa, and any of the Zappa females could be still alive.

The whiskers boys visited the Sequoia in August.. Are they to young to understand they need to oust the natal males to join a group? Because if they are to afriad to attack then there only hope is to join evicted females.

There are quite a few friends right now who are wondering about the Nequoia. People have been leaving posts in the burrow asking about them and since they're not available as a friends group/package yet no one can even subscribe to get more detailed information. I hope we get more information soon, and I'm hoping the September LH report will enlighten us a little bit too.

I mentioned before that I was worried about the lack of experience of the Whiskers roving coalition. They were forced to rove. Nugget never roved before the eviction (he did once when he was a juvenile following the Whiskers rovers to the Lazuli, but this doesn't count), and Marico, and Juno roved a couple of times. The males don't have a "real" leader. They might not know how to approach a group, how to join, or they might be intimidated by other males regardless of their size (the Whiskers rovers are large males, but they might not realize it).

I know I was quite worried too after Thundercat ousted them from the group. (How old was Nugget anyway? Didn't he just become of roving age? I can probably sign onto FKMP and find out but w/e) Being so young and with no roving experience, his best chance is to stay with the other evicted males. I'm pushing hard for Nugget as he is RD's pup and if he wanders off on his own his lack of experience could prove fatal. I hope that his instincts are keen enough to keep him alive and well.

Nugget is going to be two in November. The other males are younger. Thundercat possibly considers them older because of their size.

Oh I see. I still believe that his best chance would be to stay with the other evicted males. As far as meerkats go there is safety in numbers.

Were have you been?!

I hope Nugget, Juno and the other Whiskers' rovers meet up with some evicted females and form a separate group since I have abandoned all hope that they will ever rejoin the Whiskers. I just want to see some reference to Juno and Nugget on the report even if it is just encounters with other groups. I still miss Flava Flav, Jogu and Maladoy who went roving and never rejoined the Whiskers.

My apologies Zorro_Pal. I've been a little side tracked lately due to some personal problems I've been trying to sort out. I'll go continue our RP now.

I hope everything gets worked out, mitch_is_bomb. By the way, I like Mitch too.

Thanks RDfan! I appreciate that. And yes mitch is awesome. Him and Monkulus are my favorite of Flower's offspring

2ferretmom is saying on another board the KMP update site will no longer be maintained. That there is a notice to that effect. I couldn't find it, but at this hour of the morning that doesn't surprise me. Anyone know, heard or read?

CCatz, I can't find anything either. The only two thngs Ive noticed is the "find us on Facebook" tab and that the 'Current Groups' page is very out of date with incorrect info - perhaps they will update this when the Public LH is released though.

There is nothing mentioned in the public section of FKMP, or KMP. Individuals should be careful about posting information like this.

The groups information still has the Elveera as a group, and Blondie as the DF of the Rascals, for example.

I find it's always a good idea to make sure anything posted on here is either released in the 'public' sections of kmp or can be found on other sites publicly like mastemeerkat /meerkat crew for example. If not, it's best just not to comment.

Sometng weriod about the current groups page. The Hoppla have been moved to lost groups section when they were last seen in July 2009, the same month Blondie was predated why hasnt that been changed then?

The group numbers are partly out of date, I think Elveera is an oversight. Im sure Evi will update the page once the LH is released.

Zaphod,
I dont know if hes going to do it when the September Lh goes out to the public seeing that most females will still be pregneat besides Kelntjie and Hemulens litter the groups numbers are mostly the same.(Klentjie is most likely to give birth sometime in September)