Hello everyone, does anyone remember when Kinkajou ate/ or killed Mozarts pups. That wasn't acceptable. Was this taken place after Flower died and did RD beat Kinkajou to be DF??

I know for sure that Kinks ate Mozart's pups in the beginning of season 3. Flower died in episode 8. I am not sure about the other question. I know that I personally never heard of Kinks before season 3. I am sure that she was around, but I only remember her with the Starsky. I know that RD took over when Flower disappeared in episode 7 but gave the crown back to Flower when she returned. I am sure that someone else may be able to help you out with that. And starting tomorrow AP is replaying season 3. I cannot watch it again.

Kinkajou killed and ate Mozart's pups before Flower's death...When the Starsky had first formed in March 2006....

Rocket Dog and Kinkajou never had a dominance battle...Kinkajou was evicted by Flower for being pregnant in 2006 just before helping Mozart and the other form the Starsky...way before Rocket Dog took over dominance

Almost all pregnant female meerkats will try to kill another females pups to ensure that her litter will survive.
According to the Flower book by TCB, even Flower once killed and ate a litter of Mozart's pups. This was not shown on T.V., but it happened. So we can't villify Kinkajou just because they happened to put it on T.V. when she did what many other females have done.

squirrellygirly,

I agree with you. It was not a vicious thing that Kinkajou did. And I don't know why people thought Mozart was an angel. She was way out of line evicting Daisy and excersized little to no self control. I just admired her because of her strength and resilience.

Actually Pippo, it was recently discovered that it wasn't Mozart that evicted Daisy at all..It was Cruise and she evicted Armantia Ditch

as for villifying Kinkajou, I love both Kinkajou and Mozart...

Cool! I didn't know that; thanks! This is why I go on this site. I learn something new every time.

In answer to your last question, Rocket Dog beat out Maybelline/Monkulus for the dominant role in the Whiskers. That is why Maybelline/Monkulus took some of the Whiskers and formed her own group, the Aztecs.

rebelmom, she didn't ask if RD beat out Maybelline...she asked if RD beat out Kinkajou who was out of the group before Flowers death....

I have read the Whiskers chronology and while I can't disclose any details, i can say that Holly and Flower were no angels and did what they had to to hold on dominance as well...but being the big animal lover I am I can't bring myself to hate any of them for their actions because its just nature for them...

The Meerkat Manor book, by Tim Clutton-Brock, contains a couple of instances where pregnant meerkats (both subordinates and dominants) killed another meerkat's pups. When several females were pregnant at the same time, the surviving litter tended to be the last litter born.

Given that reality, it is understandable why a pregnant DF would evict all competition.

yeah, I don't have the book so I don't know what all is in it, so I play it better safe than sorry...lol..

Even if one goes solely by the show, one can argue that Flower wasn't all sunshine to her daughters. In a way, she was indirectly responsible for the deaths of two of Mozart's litters (again, going solely by MM storyline; I dunno if she played a role in Mozart's loss at the end of season two).

Still, I don't hold it against her, as it's nature. And even though I initially called Kinkajou some very unkind things shortly after Sister Act, I forgave her by the time Three Degrees of Separation aired in the UK. I can't hate animals for doing what instinct leads them to do.

Flower has also DIRECTLY killed and eaten litters.

And which litters were those youssy?

Sadly, killing pups is completely normal and acceptable in meerkat society, where the females must fight to keep their own pups alive. Flower's first litter as dominant was killed because some of the other females were pregnant- if several females are pregnant at a time, the only litter that will survive is the last one born, because all of the other pups will be killed by the pregnant females. Yes, Flower did kill and eat more than one litter, according to TCB, including one of Mozart's litters. It doesn't make Flower, or Kinks, or anyone else cold-blooded. Their society is different than ours, and they are doing what they think is right (preserving the lives of their own kids).

I'm not Youssy, but I'll answer anyway. Flower killed Mozart's pups that were born in March 2005 between season 1 and season 2. It was not shown on MM.

Flower may have also killed her niece's (Itchy) litter born in January 2003. This was before MM began filming.

It's also possible that Flower killed her daughter Armanita Ditch's pups born April 2006. Since that's also the same time frame that Cruise evicted Armantia Ditch, it may have been Cruise who killed those pups. The eviction was portrayed on MM as Mozart evicting Daisy. They didn't show any pups being killed or that Daisy had pups at that time.

There are probably more instances where Flower killed pups, but those are the only ones that I can find at this time.

As others have said, this behavior is not cold-blooded. It's normal meerkat behavior, and the females who kill pups shouldn't be hated. They are only doing what comes natural.

I remember that show clearly, Mozzie evicted Daisy - although Daisy was not pregnant - while Flower and Zaph just stood by and watched. Eventually, Mozzie began to act like a dominant and Flower took her down a peg or two and Daisy rejoined the group. Now you think its another kat and not Daisy??? Hmmmm.....

Kinkajou did what she had to do. Many females before her have killed and eaten pups.
Yes, even Flower. She has killed Mozart's pups but they didn't show it on animal planet (probably because they didn't want people hating the Whiskers leader).
Kinkajou wasn't being cold blooded. She did what come naturally to all meerkats.
I honestly think that if Mozart killed Kinkajou's pups, Mozart probably wouldn't have half the people hating her that Kinkajou has.
Kinkajou was being a protective mother. Somthing that people should honor and not hate her for.

Bischonmom, its been discovered that in that scene of Mozart evicting Daisy that it was really Cruise (Mitch's littermate) evicting older sister Armantia Ditch...What it didn't show is earlier at the burrow that Armanita Ditch had given birth....This is in Tim Clutton-Brock's book