He is witht the Hoax i wonder how he managed to join them!

Yo

Tina Sparkle, Izzy and Suggs probably met up with the wild Hoax members and stayed with them. I know there is some mention of it in the TCB book.

Pronker

I just replied to a post and asked if anyone noticed Suggs with Hoax. I was completely surprised to learn that! I have the book that Pronker is speaking about, but I have only read about a third of it thus far. I do hope that Suggs makes it back to one of his groups. I don't much care for the "missing at end of the month" section. Seems I remember Spud being listed that way too, and as far as I know, he was never officially listed as dead.

If Tina Sparkle (our Sophie) joined the Hoax, is it because the df Mau Mau had no other females to help with the babysitting?

Sophie's no longer with the Whiskers! Noooo! They better show us the Hoax next season or I am going to mob them!

Attila

LOL! Good thinking, loving-tosca. (I love Tosca too.) Hoax is very small, and I'm sure they could use more helpers -- *IF* DF Napoleon Dynamite (bizarre name for a female! jmho) would allow it. I wonder if the independent little lady is still refusing to be habituated.

I agree, jacques -- the "absent at end of month" column scares me a bit. I know the absence may be temporary, but... Looking at the life histories since April 2007, in every case the absent meerkat is listed as "last seen" in the next month's report. According to the Life History Background page, this means they've been missing for more than 1 month, "and thus considered lost." YIKES. So far I haven't seen any of those kats return.

BUT logically I know it isn't always bad news. The Kalahari is huge, and the absent meerkats may very well be alive and well somewhere outside the research area. Sounds great to me! I hope for the best for all of our beloved absent meerkats.

For example, I bet Zaphod and his roving buddies are just out partying.

Best Wishes, friends

[quote]Yo

Tina Sparkle, Izzy and Suggs probably met up with the wild Hoax members and stayed with them. I know there is some mention of it in the TCB book.

Pronker[/quote]

I'm confused... Tina Sparkle aka Sophie aka VWF076 is not mentioned as having moved to Hoax in the life history reports...? Am I missing something? I've also read the book and don't remember anything about that...

Ok, I am also confused again. Pronker, I thought you said Busta was the last living pup of Flower and that would make Suggs and Izzy deceased. Also Tim's book lists Suggs(VWM109) as deceased. What is the deal now? Has Suggs came back from the dead?

All of this is really getting confusing now........

Wait a minute! I'm getting more confused too.

I just remembered reading Mau Mau Hoax's name somewhere. loving-tosca is right -- she's the nonhabituated DF (who is not listed in the 2007 Names List.) But then why is Napoleon Dynamite listed as DF in the reports?

I also don't understand Suggs showing up under Hoax all of a sudden. Is it possible he emigrated to Hoax sometime before the April life history report?

I have brain fade. The many mysteries will have to wait. 'Night, friends!

Maybe this is the big break for Sophie!

Pronker, Izzy and Suggs are listed as dead as pups in the TCB book. Are Izzy and Suggs still alive and with the Hoax? There was no mention of them emmigrating out of the Whiskers, or for Sophie (Tina Sparkle) in the life histories.

DF of the Hoax is Mau Mau. Where did you get Napoleon Dynamite from?

Hi sunshine-1,

In July - Sept. 2007 Life History Reports:

Hoax DF = VHXF004 = Nap. Dyn. in 2007 Names List.
Hoax DM = VHXM001 = Carravagio

Yo

Hm, I think the events happened before the end of the season, but I don't see the events mentioned in TCB's book chronology, perhaps because so "much" happened once the dry period began.

Time is not the same on the manor. But remember the scenes of Sophie babysitting Izzy, Suggs and Busta? She was "the babysitter" like her mama Mozart. She often had the pups with her, well suppose during one of the splits she was separated with two of the pups Izzy and Suggs and a small group of wild meerkats found them and joined them to beef up their numbers. I believe the events weren't related in order in MM, but Sophie/Sparkle did end up a lone for awhile with two pups... And there were a lot of splits...

This would not show up in the LH as it happened before April. And remember they were trying to habitiuate Hoax for a long time and until they got close they would not know exactly who was in that group.

And we are talking "history" here, which doesn't mean present.

Pronker

Yes, you're right, they do! But they also say that the Unhabituated DF of the Hoax is Mau Mau.

The whole thing with the Hoax is strange. I also don't understand how Suggs ended up with them, especially since TCB in his book lists him as dead as a pup. And Pronker said that Saphie (Tina Sparkle) Izzy and Suggs are with them. But they are still listed as having only 6 members. And Izzy is also listed as dead as a pup by TCB.

Ah, Pronker, then TCB listed Suggs and Izzy as dead as pups because they lost them for awhile, and maybe they went to the Hoax?!! This would be great! Thanks for the great info!

Yo sunny

Data is updated all the time.

Dynamite was renamed "MauMau" after they got close enough to "see" she was indeed a female and not a male.

Think about the word "Hoax" and what it means. Remember we are talking history and suppose you found a dead meerkat thinking it was wild and you check it and find out, oh my this was a Whiskers pup!

Pronker

Purely rhetorical....who can you believe at any given time? Put the so-called facts together from every source and hope for the best?

Thanks, Pronker, I think I get it now.

But it's really cute, they named her Napoleon Dynamite when they thought she was male, then Mau Mau when they figured she is female. How funny is that! I think the ladykat sounds more like a stick of dynamite than an exotic drink (or whatever Mau Mau reminds you of). Regardless of the name, may she thrive, and may the beloved Whiskers who may still be with her thrive along her.

I had wondered what would inspire the researchers to name a group "Hoax." Your thinking makes some sense there, pronker.

(Sunshine-1, the Mau Mau were a tribe in Africa. That also was the name of a gang in the '60's and maybe the '70's. They were pretty fierce people - both the tribe and the gang - and that's how I picture Mau Mau, but NOT anything named Napoleon Dynamite!)

Ferretrose, thanks! That makes sense then for her name. I do picture her like that too, that's why I said a little stick of dynamite. Fierce. I so much like her. Mau Mau, then, a very fitting name!

so... my sweetie sophie is with the whiskers according to the most recent available info?

Pronker:

Was Hoax established in July, since there is no mention of the them in June? Also, I just finish reading TCB book and Dr. Clutton makes no mention of Tina Sparkle leaving the Whiskers.
When Monkulus separated from the Whiskers we can speculate, since we have no LH reports before April, that the Aztecs were established in February/March. With that being said, how do you know that Tina is with the Hoax? The LH reports do not show Tina as missing, evicted or immigrating during the months April-July. Unless, this happen in Feb/March?

When the Whiskers split, it was my understanding that the Whiskers were left with 2 pups and Tina was nursing them. In the TCB book Suggs and Izzy died as pups. If Suggs and Izzy were alive during the split, then they would be juvneles and no longer be nursing. Could this be a typo, like Petra, who also is listed as dying as a pup, when she infact is alive? Or is Hoax's Suggs another Suggs? I am assuming that the pups Tina was nursing were her cousins, right?

Sorry for all the questions.

Pronker, thanks for clearing up massive confusion over the Sophie/Izzy/Suggs, Mau Mau/Nap. Dyn. scenario.

Are we allowed to know where Sophie is now? Not having the pre-April 2007 Life Histories is a real pain.

Is it possible to get hold of an updated Names List for 2007?

Sorry, we diggers are insatiable for up-to-date info.! I know you understand.

Yo

Sorry but I am one of you so I know how you all are, lol!

I must've read about Tina Sparkle and Suggs somewhere going through the chron files, but I know I did read it and was confused because the TCB book had Izzy and Suggs marked "P" which means died as a pup.

I'm still piecing things together myself but remember that scene in MM when they said the babysitter's name was Sparkle? Maybe that was showing Sophie being left behind with the pups. I don't know for sure but the "bells" went off. Then after a brief sighting of Suggs and Busta playfighting as Len and Squiggy were emerging we don't hear of them again.

Then Suggs shows up in the LH in the Hoax gang. He didn't get there by himself that's for sure. So I am guessing that the Sophie we saw in the fight with RD is a stand in. And Sparkle and Suggs were with Hoax.

Sorry folks I can't come up with any other scenario. Remember time is not the same on the manor.

Pronker

Pronker its not possible that "Sparkle" was our Tina Sparklesophie because "Sparkle" was a boy...lol!

Yo youssy

Well I don't have the DVDs yet so that is one possibility I didn't check out

Still at some point Sophie/Sparkle was separated or left the group with two pups. Time will tell what MM will make of it and where the real Tina Sparkle is.

Pronker