I wanted to put this on the other forum under the thread "Their showing the episode again", but I thought it would be more of a spoiler content. I have only seen the episode where Flower passes away one time, I try to avoid it as much as possible the other times, but I did watch it today and it shed some tears for myself which barely ever happens. I know that Flower was biten by the snake before giving birth, but, whose baby was it that came out of the burrow at the end of the show? Also, Flower did not show a big belly when adopting Axel, how long after her and the Whiskers adopted Axel did Flower passaway?

Flower was bitten by the snake, and she aborted her litter. The pup that was shown at the end could be any of the many that were born immediately after she passed. A lot of Whiskers females were pregnant at about the same time that Flower was pregnant. The pup that was shown was symbolic of the new generation of Whiskers (Flower's legacy), so it doesn't really matter who it was. There is no pup named Liz in the KMP.
"Flower" didn't have a big belly, because it was really RocketDog that adopted Axel (MM changed the story). The Whiskers were split in two groups because of the draught. RD was the DF in one splinter, and Flower was the DF in the other one. RD's group was in an intergroup interaction (fight), with the Young Ones (and not the Zappa; MM switched the groups again). Axel, a Young Ones pup was left behind after the YO retreated, and was adopted by RocketDog. Soon after this, the two Whiskers splinter groups were reunited with Flower as the DF. MM just wanted to show Flower in a heroic light before she passed, that is why the story was changed.
Axel is still with the Whiskers.
I love RD.

Zettak:
Excellent recap of the ending. I had always thought Flower was a hero and there was really no need to change the story, but I guess that is the way they wanted to do it and the ending was the same either way. I really do miss her. She was something really special and there will never be another Meerkat quite like her.

Janelle

good catch on rocket dog addopting axel, zettak. i suspected as much. i noticed, from the reports, the group was still split at the time of axel's adoption, and rd's group seemed to be closer to the young one's range.

there is something else i noticed from the reports....... on the show flower mated briefly with "houdini", and it was suggested that flower's last pregnancy was not with zaphod as the father. from the reports, there were no encounters with rovers observed during that time frame (when flower would have conceived) with the whiskers group. i think this may be an example of the mm producers just making stuff up, but if anyone knows differently, feel free to enlighten me

Flower was a great leader of an almost 50 member group; she was very successful. Her offspring are leaders and members of many of the monitored groups. Some are doing fine (I'm sure) outside the reserve area. When Flower became a DF, the Whiskers were a small group.

Somebody that is an expert in dye marks could watch the dvd and tell us if it is Flower mating with "Houdini". Then again the mating could have been filmed from far, or from a specific angle, making it impossible to distinguish any dye marks.
From what I remember, the male was smaller than the female, suggesting a very young meerkat.
This question was asked before, and a member replied that it was Flower and Aurinko Young Ones (not Houdini, of course), a cousin of Homestar Runner and Philippe (and a few months older than them). Aurinko was less than two years old when the mating took place, fitting the profile of a smaller, and younger kat. The Young Ones were neighbors of the Whiskers; a lot of YO rovers visited the Whiskers in the past.

see, the whole "houdini" and his boys mating with flower, rocket dog, and other whiskers females almost had to be young ones rovers, not zappa. the zappa and whisker territories are not that close. the episode where zaphod goes roving after flower's death was rerun today. and i swear there were at least 2 different "houdinis" used in that episode alone. also, i would be willing to bet that zaphod was visiting the young ones in that episode and not the zappa and not lola.

It's common sense. Why go far, when you can go next door? It's less dangerous as well. The Zappa's territory is far away from the Whiskers' territory.
The Whiskers took over some of the Young Ones territory during the draught. They became a huge group, so they had to expand, at the same time that the Young Ones were becoming smaller. The Whiskers were never run out of the Manor by the Commandos. This is MM mythology.
Zaphod and his roving group stayed in the general area. I doubt that Zaphod and Lola had an affair. It was probably a convenient fact that they were both single and not dominant anymore for MM to create a good story line.

I'm sure you're right about the Zappa and Whiskers. I wish the Lola and Zaphod get-together was true, though. Sweet little Lola needed a new partner and we all know Zaphod is the BEST!

Maybe Lola and Zaphod will get together before the start of season 5.

Zaphod seems to be comfortable among his family. It's strange though that his sons and nephews joined other groups and he didn't follow them. I suspect he avoided the fighting. That's why he is almost ten. He doesn't rove as much either anymore.

Lola is Last Seen. I agree, Zaphod seems to be content with the Aztecs and they are incredibly lucky to have him. All's well as long as Monkulus/Maybelline continues to have access to rovers. May they all flourish!

i wonder what would happen if zaphod ever came across the commandos while roving. in the book, stinker stumbles upon the newly formed gattica group with his sons from the vivian as the males and evicted whiskers females. he joined and quickly became dominant male. would zaphod's sons (and nephews) drive him away if he stumbled upon them or would they cower in fear like the gattica males?

Interesting thought. I'm very curious about Aztecs and Whiskers interactions, as well as all the Whiskers splinter groups scattered around. Don't you wish we could be there to watch them for ourselves? MM can only scratch the surface of what we would like to know. We really need meerkat cams for the whole KMP property, as well as the surrounding areas so we can search for Shakespeare, Mitch, Tina Sparkle/Sophie, Lola, Fluffernutter and his Moomins gang, and the many many other LSEEN but not forgotten kats. Yeah, right! I've truly lost it now. But it's a nice dream...

If Zaphod roved towards the direction of the Zappa, then he would have approached the Elveera, and the Lazuli first! It is obvious from looking at the map of the group territories.
Lola was last seen, and was probably predated (poor thing). Almost all evicted females fom the Whiskers, the Aztecs, and the Commandos were lucky due to coincidence (many rovers, either natal males of established groups, or wild males) to form new groups, have the protection of a group immediately, and avoid the most common fate of lone females. It seems that this didn't happen with the Zappa, since they are a little isolated from other habituated groups (although I don't know how many wild groups are close by).

It seems like this Stinker Meerkat and his sons are a force to be reckoned with. Wasn't there another Stinker Meerkat that passed away that was one of the powerhouse Meerkats in the 90's to the early part of the new century? If so, then the Stinker name resembles something strong.

sadly, stinker and his boys have all died or dispearsed. their gattica group disbanded a while back. i'm sure this is the same "stinker" you've heard of in the past, phil. but stinker was mate to vivian (yossarian and zaph's mother) but the zaphod/yossarian litter was fathered by a rover, not by stinker.

Stinker was a funny little guy, he kind of reminds me of Youssarian a bit. He "played" "Sondheim" in the episode where Mozart disses "Carlos" for "Sondheim."

Was stinker one of the ones that died, or dispersed?

zerocharisma:
What episode and season was that when Mozart took sondheim over Carlos?

phil, it was either the 1st or 2nd season with stinker and mozart, can't remember which. i believe it was said that he wandered away from the group, but it is somewhat common for a meerkat to go off alone when he knows his time has come. as stinker was quite old, i believe the researchers are pretty sure he died. wikipedia used to have all the episodes listed with brief summaries, not sure if they still do.

The Gattaca was last seen in August 2007.
Zaphod's and Yossarian's father was Phoenix Elveera.
Stinker was about 10, the oldest male meerkat in the project. Zaphod could break this record in December.
The episode with Sondheim/Stinker and Carlos is from season 1.


NazarethDodo

Every time that Zaphod went roving, he transferred the Whiskers leadership to Zara and then to MachuPichu. It seems they handed it back to him easily. I'm not sure what would happen if Zaphod had to confront any of his sons/nephews in another group, especially in the future that loyalties to one's old group would be forgotten, since the interests of the new group would be more important.

[quote]What episode and season was that when Mozart took sondheim over Carlos?[/quote]

i'm not sure which episode, if it is season 1 like zettak says, it's one of the last 2-3 episodes (i've watched most of season 1 recently and i haven't come to it yet).

I'm sorry, it's season 2.

hi you know when flower mated with houndini did he get her preg if so what where the pups called


thanks for reading zaphod4life

Yo Z4Life

Houdini tried to get to Flower but Zaphod chased him away. There were no pups.

Pronker

Phil had asked a few posts back which episode it was where Stinker mated with Mozart. It's the season 2 episode "Iron Lady." I am Stinker's biggest fan!!!!!!!!