man who likes the new ships coming out

What ships do you speak of?

Battleship ? Are you sure ? What I know right now is that the next generation ships should be cruiser-class warship, like the Aegis-cruiser. Past experience suggest that battleship were no longer usable since the rapid development of airplane, long-range artilery weapon, and torpedo.
Besides, who wants battleships if you can have aircraft-carrier ?

i want a battleship, i like those better than aircraft carriers. you can't beat the mastic of those 16 inch guns. i wish they would bring just one back, for the marines or something. i would rather have a battleship supporting a invasion than a carrier. but maybe i'm just old fashined like that.

your just old fashioned about it but it would be nice hearing those 16 inch shells flying over your head when you cross the beach head

i don't know if many of you are into WWII as i am but i read that when the guys that landed on the beaches on operation overload they said that when the shells flew over there heads it actually lifted thare LCVP's right out of the water, also after they landed and started to advance they found a crater abouut 3 miles inland and the shell hit a german ammo resupply truck and that thing just got abliteratid

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Originally posted by cobra35640:
i want a battleship, i like those better than aircraft carriers. you can't beat the mastic of those 16 inch guns. i wish they would bring just one back, for the marines or something. i would rather have a battleship supporting a invasion than a carrier. but maybe i'm just old fashined like that.

Aircraft can inflict the same damage as the 16 inch guns except with more range and accuracy. The battleships seem vulnerable to aircraft but in reality they are equipped with some anti-air craft weaponry. The advantage to aircraft carriers is that they can be used for more versatality. Battleships are fielded by smaller crews? Not sure on that but I believe they are.

Iowa Class Battleship, with 16" guns can fire about 25 miles in if I'm not mistaken.. As fast as our military moves today, 72 hours max, and the battleships are useless.

The battleship is outdated. The carrier is the support vehicle for the ground troops via planes now. The issue is excertion of force. As the previous person pointed out, after 25 miles, the battleship is no longer effective with those big guns. Sure it can deliver cruise missiles, but a lot of cheaper ships can do that as well.

In the current world conflicts, the battleship would have not been effective beyond the port city of Basara in Iraq and could not have even touched Afganistan. Romantic notions aside (yeah, I loved the Mighty Mo as well), their era is a by-gone era.

Tom

battleships are heavily armored. when they are in battle situations, they are very hard to destroy, and they can destroy targets from very long ranges. this is what makes them such a versatile weapon.

AMENDMENT: Also, they can destroy aircraft with
very high accuracy when being fired at. They also double as command posts. another reason
of their versatility.

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Originally posted by trekcaptainusa:
battleships are heavily armored. when they are in battle situations, they are very hard to destroy, and they can destroy targets from very long ranges. this is what makes them such a versatile weapon.

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Also, their ability to attack ground targets with long range attacks while staying out of range of the enemy is a very good advantage.

And, because of this advantage, there is very little threat from other land (not sea or air) units, apart from missiles or rockets launched from the land.

Battleships are much more intimidating to park offshore of a hostile country than an aircraft carrier.

Just as the Viet Cong. In 'Nam, they reactivated the New Jersey, and any time the VC found out she was offshore, they cleared the whole area within range of her guns.
When we were trying to negotiate with them, they demanded the Jersey be withdrawn first. Not the carriers, but the Battleship.

Google some pictures of the Missouri off the coast of Australia. The shorelines are absolutely filled with people trying to get a glimpse of her.
Guarantee you they don't do that when a carrier comes to visit.
Definitely plenty of jobs for a BB still to perform.

I know that there was some experimental deveopment of a warship that would replace the role of the battleship, which is primarily the support of amphibious operations (sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?). It would have technically, by size, been a destroyer, but it would have been armed with medium range cruise, as well as tactical missles to assist ground forces. While it was capable of carrying the Tomahawk, that really is a standoff kind of weapon. This would have carried missles such as the AGM-84 SLAM (ground attack variant of the Harpoon), modified Hellfire missles, as well as some things that are not currently in the inventory.

You are right, however. The mental images that are conjured up by seeing one of those steel behemoths is incredible, but, unfortunately, there is no place for a Dreadnaught-type battleship in today's Navy, where the ships are expected to go anywhere and do anything.

By the way, people do line the shores when an aircraft carrier comes to call. While it may not be as obviously dangerous as the 'Mighty Mo', or the New Jersey, Wisconson, Iowa, Alabama, Massacheusets, etc., it makes them look tiny, and to see the crew standing 'port and starboard' with 50 or so aircraft parked on her deck is a sight to behold.

I acually got the chance to talk with someone working on the new ships. I didnt get a chance tog et into much detail though.
I wanted to point out that yall should look at the new rail gun technology they are developing. They are planning on using these on the new ships being build since their power house will be designed to provide the power needed. They dont take up much room just a lot of power but they have a range in excess of 25km.