With no josh the season is gonna be good,but it could have been better. Too many new people.Less Reed,more Sean an crew.And how can they start the season with tiv1, thats weak..Get it together.Overall this is the BEST show that hit tv in years and i heard the intercept this season.Thats great an all but they should not let this be the last season keep it goin every year, you'll keep me as a viewer.i cant believe i wrote all this nobody reads this probaly..........
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I sure hope KSChaser is correct, the whole team needs the real time Doppler radar information that everyone needs to get in tight with a storm and stay safe. I also need to see Josh and the DOW for my science fix in the show. Sorry, but IMO, Laptop computers and Iphones gathering delayed radar information just can't provide the real information and science needed to get this job done while mobile and chasing.
I don't understand how they get as close as they do without the DOW's real time Doppler . One can only take Reed's screaming and high strung energy levels for so long. Also have real concerns about someone on his team getting hurt. Sean can only talk so long, about the number of factors that must come together to form tornado's and to get the TIV into an intercept position. Sean doesn't have the real time data about wind speeds and storm movements without the DOW. He can't make informed decisions and critical judgments while he is on the road in the heat of a chase.
Please Discovery keep up the good work, but lets get Josh, the DOW and his team back where they belong. Right on the front line working as Mission Control from day one next season.
Originally posted by rudolphna: TIV II probably never even saw much service, due to the nature of its poor construction and design.
That is where you are wrong. You should try viewing the cameras on the Live Tracker, which can be found at Justin.tv/stormchasers during the season (April, May, June).
TIV2 actually saw a good amount of road miles this past year, but all of the footage you are seeing on these first episodes so far is from the early part of the "Active" period.
I don't think we need Josh back unless he has learned how to use and operate the DOW. As for the laptop users they have a much better intercept record and cost the government a lot less that the DOW, so far I have yet to see the justification for the monies JOSH has used to build and operate the DOW.
Are you kidding me? Josh is not out there to get pretty film footage that he can sell weekly to the highest bidder.
Have you looked at or researched the massive quantities of storm data the DOW has accumulated since before 1999? Mind you this data is not always a part of the Storm Chasers show, but Josh and his team have gathered a great deal of historical and leading edge data over the years. They are considered experts among their peers.
Josh is a scientist, not an IT or computer expert, you cant expect him to be able to trouble shoot and repair the computer systems in the DOW while chasing and managing his team.
While I agree the laptop users seem to have fairly good luck getting to the storms, what they don't have is the ability to gather real time telemetry or the real-time storm data, you know the kind that might be utilized in the future to accurately PREDICT storm paths, intensity and possibly be used to increase the lead time needed to get people into shelters and out of the storms path with more than 5 minutes of notice.
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Originally posted by 8409: I don't think we need Josh back unless he has learned how to use and operate the DOW. As for the laptop users they have a much better intercept record and cost the government a lot less that the DOW, so far I have yet to see the justification for the monies JOSH has used to build and operate the DOW.
True the DOW crew has information but nothing that was not already known and tested. Agreed he is not IT tech, but he should be save enough to pre-flight the equipment before deployment. Unfortunately he has not given anything that is not already know about tornadoes that have touched down already, and until they have something that enters a tornado as it connects with the ground all they will have is useless information that supports what is already known. The UAV sounds promising.
Yes the UAV does sound good in theory, but having a bit of experience with RC equipment, I'm not to sure how the auto pilot system is going to react and respond to the erratic high winds, wind shifts and shears. Let alone getting the thing into the air during storm conditions. Should be interesting to say the least.
I also still think that your being hyper-critical of Josh and the DOW teams efforts and contributions to the effort as a whole.
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Originally posted by 8409: known. The UAV sounds promising.
8409, I believe the DOW has been very successful this year. If your interested there is much more information like this available
#1: 21 April: Mission in west central OK. No storms were intercepted. SCOUT intercepted a severe storm near Pauls Valley, OK after dark which contained large hail.
#2: 23 April: Mission to Amarillo, TX. No storms were intercepted. SCOUT interceted multiple tornado warned supercells between Lamesa, TX and Snyder, TX.
#3: 24 April: Intercepted a supercell near Hill City, KS. DOW, tornado pod, and probe data were collected on this storm. TIV did not intercept. Two tornadoes were reported at the deployment sites, and ROTATE crew observed funnels visually, but real-time radar data did not indicate tornadoes. Data will be reviewed in more detail to examine this discrepancy.
#4: 1 May: Multiple intercepts of supercells near Fredonia, KS. TIV and the probes did not deploy, but the DOW collected data in the hook. SCOUT intercepted multiple supercells in Northeastern NE and Northwestern IA. A tornado was witnessed in its decaying phase near Inwood, IA, however no pods were able to be deployed before the tornado dissipated.
#5: 5 May: Intercepted large hail north of Roswell, NM.
#6: 6 May: Intercepted 2 severe storms west of Plainview, TX.
#7: 7 May: Intercepted a severe storm west of Marietta, OK.
#8: 10 May: Intercepted a tornado in Stuttgart, AR. 3 pods were deployed and the TIV may have been in the core flow of the tornado. A damage survey was conducted ex post facto in order to link the radar observations with damage incurred in Stuttgart.
#9: 13 May: SCOUT intercepted a supercell near Okemah, OK.
#10: 14 May: Intercepted 2 supercells near Brady, TX. We followed 1 of the cells to Austin, TX. Data revealed tornado east of Eden, TX.
#11: 22 May: Pods were deployed south of Wakeeney, KS. Tornado occurred at the airport, ~75m to west of pod array.
#12: 23 May: At least 6 tornadoes were intercepted in west central Kansas (Quinter, Ness City, and Brownell) . Pods were deployed west of Ness City, KS.
#13: 25 May: Intercepted a nontornadic supercell south of WaKeeney, KS.
#14: 26 May: Intercepted a supercell near Pratt, KS. The storm was nontornadic at the time of data collection.
#15: 29 May: Intercepted a tornadic supercell near Kearney, NE. Intercepted multiple cyclic tornadoes in Kansas (Glen Elder and Jewell). Pods were deployed south of Glen Elder. Damage surveys were conducted in Glen Elder, Jewell, and Kearney.
#16: 31 May: Intercepted a storm near Pawhuska, OK.
#17: 1 June: Intercepted a supercell with a weak tornado west of Oshkosh, NE. No deployments attempts were made.
#18: 3 June: Intercepted a storm near Chillicothe, MO.
#19: 4 June: Intercepted tornadic supercells near Benedict, NE and Dwight, NE.
#20: 11 June: Intercepted 2 tornadoes in western IA: one near Blencoe, IA and another south of Missouri Valley, IA. Collected radar, pod, and TIV data very near the latter tornado as well as near Little Sioux, IA tornado.
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Originally posted by 8409: True the DOW crew has information but nothing that was not already known and tested. Agreed he is not IT tech, but he should be save enough to pre-flight the equipment before deployment. Unfortunately he has not given anything that is not already know about tornadoes that have touched down already, and until they have something that enters a tornado as it connects with the ground all they will have is useless information that supports what is already known. The UAV sounds promising.
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Wow sittin here watchin tonights storm chasers Josh just got back and its like his ego is way out of control. Hes like treating the other chasers like they just need to get out of his way I mean they all have the same goals why fight each other.
Originally posted by atford: what is up with josh, joel .... why is everyone fighting
Because someone at Discovery decided to dumb down the show by inserting a bunch of bogus drama in it and focusing on the chasers using the storms as a catalyst for the personal drama instead of focusing on the chase and the storms.
Scientist or not Josh can't find a storm to save himself and after seeing his pompous arrogance on tonights show when Sean mentioned the orphaned dog, well let's just say he has a lot to learn about being a human being. He's got jackass down to a tee though.
Originally posted by 54ord: Scientist or not Josh can't find a storm to save himself and after seeing his pompous arrogance on tonights show when Sean mentioned the orphaned dog, well let's just say he has a lot to learn about being a human being. He's got jackass down to a tee though.
Well put good guy bad leader power trip big time. He isn't a leader the power went to his head and what was with the chick with him he was talkin himself up to her big time "I told Sean that was his one strike hot air hot air hot air"
Are you kidding me? Josh is not out there to get pretty film footage that he can sell weekly to the highest bidder.
Have you looked at or researched the massive quantities of storm data the DOW has accumulated since before 1999? Mind you this data is not always a part of the Storm Chasers show, but Josh and his team have gathered a great deal of historical and leading edge data over the years. They are considered experts among their peers. [QUOTE]
no they don't and thats the problem. A majority of the people who watch this show have no idea about the history of actual storm chasing. They see tornadoes and action shots and think its cool. They all say that Josh misses all these storms when he actually gets exactly what he wants but they don't realize it because they have no idea what Josh is actually doing. There are posters on here who believe that the whole purpose of Vortex 2 was to get closer to and inside a tornado. Vortex 2 is no different than what Josh did in the show, using the dow to get readins and placing probes in the tornadoes path to gather data. Its just a much bigger groups.
[QUOTE]While I agree the laptop users seem to have fairly good luck getting to the storms, what they don't have is the ability to gather real time telemetry or the real-time storm data, you know the kind that might be utilized in the future to accurately PREDICT storm paths, intensity and possibly be used to increase the lead time needed to get people into shelters and out of the storms path with more than 5 minutes of notice. [QUOTE]
Laptop users have good success because you don't need real time radar to know where the storms are going to be. Reed is a perfect example...he uses model data to pick a location, uses internet radar and storm/warning data to close in on a storm and then looks for the wall cloud/tornado and drives to it. You don't need real time radar to figure out where the tornado is or which storm is going to produce it.
Originally posted by wxchaser28: Look for the return of Josh Wurman and V2 tonight, I told you all from the start that Josh Wurman would be back and tonight is the night.
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uh yaa... I bet that was hard. Considering there is an outline for the whole season on "Storm Chasers" homepage.
