I think most people have an idea of what Jeet Kune Do is. I don't practice it personally, but from what I understand of the philosophy it teaches, I think it would be an interesting show idea.
Originally posted by ddd44: I think most people have an idea of what Jeet Kune Do is. I don't practice it personally, but from what I understand of the philosophy it teaches, I think it would be an interesting show idea.
Actually, I would disagree. Most folks DON'T know what JKD is, and that includes many of the practitioners. Why? Because many teachers of JKD have different understandings of what Bruce Lee was saying. Some say JKD is the art that Bruce personally used (mixture of Wing Chun, Savate, wrestling, etc). Others state that JKD is merely the philosophy behind the training - Use what is useful, discard the rest. And you know what, they are all right. Unfortunately, Bruce Lee is not around anymore to let us know what he really meant.
Originally posted by jpdefillippo: I'd love to see a JKD episode as well. Danny Inasanto is definitely one of the masters they should get to train them.
Yes and also Ted Wong. Heck, why not all of them. There were a bunch of people who supposedly trained in with Lee. Of course, it would have to be Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do.
There is going to be an episode showcasing KaJuKenBo and that was one of the original MMA. As someone else pointed out, JKD was born out of different styles as well. I think this would be an interesting episode for Anderson and Smith to participate in.
What I have realized is that the whole concept of this show is "Jeet Kune Do" in essence. The pursuit of understanding other styles not just one or from or region of the world is very JKD. I think if the guys walk away with a greater understanding of what the martial arts world encompasses and what works for each of them as individuals, they will have already done a JKD show. However… Dan Inosanto and Taky Kimura (or even Jerry Poteet) there you have your 2 schools and two different approaches to JKD. The preservation of what Bruce Lee taught directly (Kimura) and the evolution he encouraged(Inosanto). I am very interested to see the KaJuKenBo episode, it’s a hybrid also, been around since 1947 and for self defense, can’t wait. The closest thing to JKD I’ve seen yet has been Krav Maga (human weapon and here where I live, I work out with a couple of the instructors). Geared for street defense and truly extreme combat Krav Maga is a fun one. Can’t wait to see how KaJu stacks up. Remember we are not at war with each other as martial artist, ya know, who's is better than who's. We should welcome all styles if only just to see if there is anything there for you, you never know. Human Weapon did not venture there (JKD), will Fight Quest? Either way Great show and Great job Jimmy and Doug.
By far the best show idea. You've all got it wrong. Krav Maga is the official self defense system of the Israeli Defense Forces. Its not even close to JKD. Jeet Kune Do favors formlessness so that it can assume all forms and since Jeet Kune Do has no style, it can fit in with all styles. As a result, Jeet Kune Do utilizes all ways and is bound by none and, likewise, uses any techniques or means which serve its end. And Dan Inosanto was Bruce Lee's highest ranked student and teaches the only approach to JKD as for as im concerned. This is way it would be the best topic for a show.
Again taken from the pages of “The Tao of Jeet Kune Do”…Bruce Lee
Ok, just a few points. 1. I said KM was closest to JKD I'd seen, not that is was JKD. KM fighters use whatever they can to escape safely, any means, there for formless. 2. Taky Kimura is Bruce Lee's Most Senior student. Dan Inosanto was chosen to carry torch and rightly so. Taky Teaches basicly JFJKD, Dan has kept to what Bruce Lee wanted as for as continuing to evolve. There is no "ranking" in JKD 3. By saying Dan’s is the only way, you have already assumed a form.
Hey Darkness -"Again taken from the pages of “The Tao of Jeet Kune Do”…Bruce Lee" Yea that is from that book. Don't try to preach to or correct me sir. And the fact that you figured that out tells me your a tool. Your probably a overweight 37yr-old man who never stepped foot in a dojo. You have nothing better else to do than search the internet and read books about something you obviously have no real experience in to try and look cool in these "forums" where frankly no one gives cares what you think. People like you make me sick. You remind me of the kids who fixed up their cars after seeing "the fast and the furious" - LAME. Come down to So. Florida I'll show you who "has already assumed a form," because I can assumed all forms!
WOW! I didn't know "cut and paste" was a martial arts technique...LOL! So maybe I'm wrong, tell me, show me, please Just remember to sight your sources, So I to can verify, I can't wait, all this time I've been in the "dark" (get it). I can't wait for you to show me the light...
The problem with JKD is this: NO ONE knows what Bruce meant it to be. I don't think even Bruce really knew what he wanted it to be. His book is a snapshot of his ideas at one certain moment in time. But that doesn't mean that his book was a 'bible' that is sacrosanct. JKD was an evolving, changing theory that might be something totally different today had Bruce lived to continue to explore.
Originally posted by armynurseboi: The problem with JKD is this: NO ONE knows what Bruce meant it to be.
Well put, though not quite correct. You're right as far as the desire for evolution, that's how is it taught at the Inosanto Accademy as a concept or way of thought applied to combat, defense, sport, life. The Tao of Jeet Kune Do was like a grain of sand on the beach of what Bruce Lee was trying to develop and in part convey. Some years ago they released more in depth books on the concepts. Now there is just enough sand to build a small castle...lol, but still not quite the beach.
You're right, Bruce did not mean for his notes to be used as a "bible" so much as a guide and to try and offer some insight what he was doing, how and why. He had even closed his schools on several occasions because he did not want to portray a “style” as it were. It was a very personal exploration for Bruce Lee, but what he did worked and people wanted it. Taky and Dan are more than qualified to teach what they teach. Dan was asked by the Lee family to carry on the name and the concepts, because (I’ve read), Bruce thought he really got the idea, also because Taky is (I’ve read) very shy.
The only “problem” with Jeet Kune Do is the misrepresentation that happens. For years schools have claimed to be JKD schools, because it sells. Then it was “BJJ” and now it’s “MMA”…lol, every school is an “MMA” school now. If you go to the Inosanto Academy you see and incredible variety of styles for one to study. The walls are held up by Dan’s instructor certifications, it’s amazing. He does not teach JKD concepts until you reach a certain level of ability, mentally and physically. It is not billed as a JKD school. I had 20yrs of experience in martial arts before I started into the JKD world. I mean I’ve always been a Bruce Lee fan (duh) but could never find a qualified/certified JKD instructor. When I did (11yrs ago) WOW!
Find it kind of sad that certain people in this forum have resulted to insults and physical challenges(2dblackb). Lee, as I understood it, didn't believe in calling out people and claiming that is way was THE way. I thought true martial artists were to be humble and polite. Their teachers were to instill in them the thought that you shouldn't use your skills as a first approach, rather as a last resort. Lastly, I want a JKD episode as well, but when you really think about it, you can't honestly have one. JKD is not a sport. It isn't there for some Olympic tryout, or to be put on tv. It is different from all other arts b/c it isn't interested in scoring points or looking cool, it is there for one reason- to inflict as much damage within 5 seconds as you possibly can. They don't hold back their punches or pull their low kicks, they go for RAT. Rapid Action Techniques.. for termination of the action or foe. There is no way that any true JKD practitioner ever holds the thought that their art can be diluted into a simple sparring match with rules and editing for a television show. JKD is a kill art. Plain and simple.
You had me at hello and lost me at “kill”. While JKD teaches, encourages, and instills what is commonly known as a killer instinct, I would not call it a kill art, I may be arguing semantics, but I think it’s important to gat across the point that JKD does not just bread a bunch of thugs, One doesn’t do “as much damage within 5 seconds as you possibly can “, You do as much damage as is necessary to end it or escape safely. I agree with what you say, just the use of the word “kill” implies no other end.
Bruce Lee did go further than that that in concept and philosophy, as do most of the instructors and students who have followed. JKD is an amazing eye opening, bond breaking, breath of freedom in the martial arts world. Man, it was a blast to sit and watch FQ/HW and be like Kali, Savate, BJJ, Boxing, Kung Fu, Silat, Thai Boxing…“done it”. The openness of schools and instructors is awesome, I’ve been able to train/spar with some of the best instructors (in their style) Salem Assli (Savate), Tony Cecchine (Catch Wrestling), Wellington “Megaton” Dias (Gracie JJ), Bunkerd Faphimai (Fairtex Muay Thai), to name(drop lol) a few. That’s what I’ve always liked about JKD is the openness and willingness to share/trade, everybody benefits and grows.
JKD is IMHO and in my approach strictly for street defense. If you not are familiar with the concept, there a really no blocks in JKD (none that don’t have a simultaneous strike). The interceptions/destructions, control of range (5 ranges of combat), manipulation and control of your opponent. The weapons training, line familiarization, angles of attack, 5 ways of attack and so on. Now if one chooses to take these concepts and apply them to sport training, it’s devastating, understanding range, being able to blend ranges, and again interceptions, all are sport applicable. SPROT however, has a much different MENTALITY and training regiment. There are techniques you simply can’t use, and are therefore lost in sport training. JKD would be a great final episode, especially if they took the guys through a “review” of what they have learned and then helped them to blend it into what works for them as individuals. Money seems to be the issue with the JKD thing though, nothing else.
Just remember to sight your sources, So I to can verify, I can't wait, all this time I've been in the "dark" (get it). I can't wait for you to show me the light...
