I think Lee is the one that initially stated that Cindy and Casey got into a blow up the night of Father's day. (PLease correct me if I am wrong.)
I remember Cindy DENIED any fight ever took place in her initial LE and FBI interviews.
I still think the fight, the threat of throwing Casey out on her azzzzz and keeping Caylee there with George and Cindy, Cindy choking Casey, is the very catalyst that sent Casey's plan of eliminating her competition and returning as Anthony Family Princess into motion.
My brain is fried trying to remember all the details of this case.
I wonder if the defense is finally gonna have no option than to blame some sort of mental illness that was magnified by Cindy's constant criticism of Casey's mothering skills and then claim that she literally mentally "SNAPPED" after the fight that night.
That may be the truth, who knows. I just think that is their only prayer for a lighter sentence or any hopes of sympathy that may garner the one hold out vote and possible acquittal. (DO I think Casey will be acquitted, heck no unless the entire jury is made up of young brainless men who think solely with their oscar meyers and not their brains!)
Twinz..I don't know if George ever admitted to a fight, early on..in 2008(he may not have), but, he did speak about the relationship between Cindy and Casey..it wasn't great, and worst since the birth of Caylee(when Cindy held her first).
I don't know about def. using any type of mental illness. It's ironic..trials I have watched, (some of the crimes were horrific)..most recent, trial of Michael King..may he rot in h ell.) During the trial, def. tried to convince the jury, somebody else killed victim(Denise Lee). They admitted defendant kidnapped and raped her, but, said, that doesn't mean he was the one who killed her!! So, jury comes back, guilty..1st degree murder. Then, penalty phase, def. tried to use the fact that defendant hit his head, when he had a sledding accident, as a child. Well..he received dp. But, back to what I started w/ ..In trials, def. says their client is innocent. Then when found guilty..it goes into, okay..here is why they did it..ie Mental illness, head injury as a child, drug addiction, etc..
Twinz..what I really was trying to say, just re-read, my post...I don't know if defense will bring up anything about control,mental illness, etc., during trial. If so, I feel it would be in penalty phase... Sorry..it's early, and I need more java.
Good morning to the other early-morning risers out there.... As far as I remember, nobody in the Anthony family has admitted to LE that there was a fight on Father's Day weekend. The info about the argument originally came from a neighbor who said she overheard the argument.
I think, too, that Leonard Padilla said something about somebody else saying it while at the house (I may be wrong about that...I just seem to have a memory of it). Also, Lee supposedly said it to Jesse, I think.
Bottom line, there's not much the prosecution can do about the argument except maybe have the neighbor testify. They can have Lee testify, but he didn't witness the argument, so it's all third party info and probably not admissible.
I agree with you--if there was an argument that weekend, I think it was the precipitating factor in Casey's decision to kill Caylee then. Personally, I suspect she had been thinking about it for a while, but that weekend, something happened that made her decide it was time.
On the mental illness issue--of course, there's no way the defense is going to prevail with a Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity plea. We heard a little about that possibility earlier, but it's gone away. It will be a HUGE mistake for them to insist that Casey is innocent during the trial and then try to blame her guilt on her mental state during the penalty phase. It will be like the defense is calling the jurors stupid.....like: Hey, jurors, we asked to you believe this crazy story that wasn't true during the trial, but now that you've decided it wasn't true, we want to convince you that Casey's got mental issues that caused her to do the thing we told you she didn't do. Oh, brother!
Good morning, Curiousmom...good post. That is what I was trying to say.
It is weird...def attys, claiming my client is innocent..then, well....here is why she may have done it.
Just as in the Michael King, trial, that is exactly what they did. I have heard some defense attys, say..we respectfully, do not agree w/ the verdict..but.. and then proceed w/ reasons, as to why...the mitigating factors.
Good Morning twinz- I know that both Annie and Amy alluded to Cindy confronting Casey with Casey in her flag outfit, from the Anything but clothes party, and stating to Casey, "you were working huh?" I just read the complete Lee Anthony transcript with the LE and he never mentions a fight occurring between Cindy and Casey on the night of June 15th. I will go and read Lee's transcript from the ZG deposition to see if he mentions a fight that occurred in that transcript. Lee in his LE transcript only mentions that the night that Cindy found Casey that there was definitely words going back and forth between Casey and Cindy. Then he also tells that there was always a tension between Casey and Cindy about Caylee. Cindy stating that Caylee was a mistake but that she was Casey best mistake. I seem to recall that it may have been Jesse that first told of a fight the night of June 15th. I will listen to his audio interview tonight when I get home from work. I don't have time to do listen this morning. Have to run to get ready for work. See ya later...have a great day!!!!!
i love the early risers, i'm usually here all alone
in the Susan Smith case.....i think the only thing that saved her from dp was her entire community! not just her family at the dp phase (who would have been grandparents to the 2 boys) but her attorney put witnesses on from the time she was a child in that town to the time of her killing the boys, and they all testified to her character and life prior to her killing the boys and asked that her life be spared.....from what i can tell, Casey won't have that support, i think at this point she only has 3 liars who don't care about the victim any more to vouch for her (poor Caylee)
however...if she is found guilty of 1st degree, i will still be surprised if she is sentenced to death
juries just don't like to be responsible for putting a young woman to death, if they can be assured that if they vote for LWOP and the offender will never get out of prison, they can live with that, but most times not sentencing them to death
i can only hope that those that do care about Caylee in this case (that being the prosecutors) will bring Caylee into that court in a manner that so touches each juror and makes their hearts ache for her loss, and then that they bring Casey into that court and show the complete disregard she had for Caylee, how utterly easily disposable Caylee was to her and how she killed her and threw her away like she was nothing more than a pair of old shoes she no longer wanted....if they can do that then MAYBE a jury would vote for DP
i'm not confident she'll get the DP, no matter what, very hard to get a jury to sentence a young woman to death, seldom happens
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and these are the latest stats i can find, i can't find any stats more current than this
Women under sentence of death at the end of 2003 - 47 Women under sentence of death at the end of 2002 - 51 Women under sentence of death at the end of 2001 - 51 State All White- Black Other
In 2008, 37 persons in nine states were executed -- 18 in Texas; 4 in Virginia; 3 each in Georgia and South Carolina; 2 each in Florida, Mississippi, Ohio, and Oklahoma, and 1 in Kentucky.
Of persons executed in 2008: -- 20 were white -- 17 were black
All 37 inmates executed in 2008 were men.
Of persons under sentence of death in 2007: -- 1,804 were white -- 1,345 were black -- 26 were American Indian -- 35 were Asian -- 10 were of unknown race.
Fifty-six women were under a sentence of death at yearend 2007.
At yearend 2007, the youngest inmate under sentence of death was 19; the oldest was 92.
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Morning all, Maybe I'm wrong, but my memory tells me that Lee stated in this last depo that he had not been at his mothers home since her birthday, June 5th, and then not again until July 15 when GA called him. Was this just another of his slippery lies to deflects LE away from anything to do with the 15th? Seems all of the A's avoid that date like the plague.
Also can anyone explain to me if Casey has any chance at all for using a 'diminished capacity' defense. Is that the defense used by people who 'snap'?
explain to me if Casey has any chance at all for using a 'diminished capacity' defense. Is that the defense used by people who 'snap'?
I don't know Sibas..if diminshed capacity means the same as, 'snapped.' But, in order for them to use this, as defense, Casey would have to admit to something, and I do not see her doing that..imo.
slbas, defense is well on the path to someone else did it. Seems unlikely KC would ever admit to killing Cayle, and I'd imagine diminished capacity requires it.
I used to think that she would never admit to anything either. So much time has passed and she no longer resembles the coc ky hip swinger who was arrested last year. Reality has set in and death looms large. I am just trying to figure out exactly where Baez can be going, they havent a leg to stand on if they try to go many of these other supposed 'abduction' routes. I believe by the time of trial it will be down to 'IF she did do it', here is the reason why'. I dunno, just rambling.....
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So, jury comes back, guilty..1st degree murder. Then, penalty phase, def. tried to use the fact that defendant hit his head, when he had a sledding accident, as a child. Well..he received dp.
Good morning, Curiousmom...good post. That is what I was trying to say. 