meddoc - The report is very compelling, isn't it? I cannot believe how accurately they can determine when certain pupae, larvae, etc. begin to form, which backups the belief that Caylee was placed in that area in June, not when Casey was incarcerated as the Defense is claiming. In addition, the entomology reporting really narrows down the timeframe that Caylee was kept in the trunk (June 16-19) and when she was most likely "discarded" in the woods (between June 19-27). Wow....
The aspect of the report that was difficult to stomach was the clinical descriptions of when a body relinqishes fluids, bloats and then post-bloat, what occurs during those stages and what kind of flies those stages attract. It is unfathomable to realize that these findings paint a very gory picture of Casey having Caylee's body in her trunk from June 16-19 and that during that period due to high temperatures, Caylee's body began to relinquish a large amount of fluids and was not in a "sealed container" in the trunk. Casey then would have had to have contact with the body at this stage to then bag the body (probably in the laundry bag first) in trash bags. Heavy, full of fluid, attracting flies, eminating decomp odor, etc.
After this - Blockbuster time, party time at clubs, shopping at Target for bras and beer, etc.
In addition, the entomology reporting really narrows down the timeframe that Caylee was kept in the trunk (June 16-19) and when she was most likely "discarded" in the woods (between June 19-27). Wow....
I wonder about the fact that the cadaver dogs hit in several places in the backyard, near the playhouse and between the above-ground pool side and the fence. This says to me that since they know the body did not leave her car on the 20th, it is possible that Caylee's body was in the backyard for a day or so before she put her in the car.
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this totally coincides with when she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor
i have always thought she killed caylee on the 16th and she wrapped her up and put her in the trunk but didn't do all the extra bagging at the time and she rode around with the the body in the trunk and it started to stink after a couple of days. she went home either on the 18th or 19th backs the car up to the garage, goes to the neighbor and borrows the shovel, she took caylee out of the trunk to the back yard and placed her in the shallow grave that she dug (hence the hits by the cadaver dogs on the spots in the back yard) but sees that this isn't going to work since it's not deep enough and discovers that digging a grave is a lot harder than she thought so that's maybe when she changes her mind from burying the body to dumping the body....it's at that time that she triple bags the body up some more (i think the laundry bag and the pooh blanket might have been the only original bagging and she learns this isn't enough, it's leaking and seeping out and stinking terribly) so she adds the garbage bags at this point, or at least one more IF she had eveb originally had the body in one bag already and dumps the body either that day or night or the wee hours of the next morning (which would make it the 20th) which coincides with the experts reports that the body was removed from the trunk between the 19th and the 22nd
"Because evidence of large amounts of decompositional grease (as would be associated with post-bloat stage decomposition) was not observed in the trunk, the most likely interpretation is that the body was removed after purging ocurred but before decomposition proceeded to post-bloat. These condistion imply that remains were removed earlier in this earlier interval (June 19th-22) rather than later (june 23-27)
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The coffin fly information is really creepy. It says the larvae have been known to dig down as deep as six feet into graves to reach a dead body. Apparently, it would have been no problem for a coffin fly, which is extremely small, to get into Casey's car trunk, even with the trunk door closed.
The day she backed her car into the garage is when she bagged up Caylee and every other sick thing after that precious baby died!! SICK SICK LITTLE CRUSTY SKANK!
I have always stated that she killed Caylee on June 16th, backed the car into the garage, took Caylee into the back yard, changed her, the decomp fluid was near the playhouse where she changed her and bagged her. Behind that playhouse was a safe place for her that she could hide behind, the backyard was the safest place for her to bag Caylee up at. She used the pool water to wash her hands, clothes, etc that is why the cadaver dogs hit near the playhouse and the pool. She used the shovel to overturn the soil that contained the maggots and to not attract anymore flies to that area. She then bagged Caylee up, mixed up some water solution to clean up with the paper towels as much of the putrification/decomp as she could. The flies were still being attracted to the stain, even after she dumped Caylee on Suburban Drive.
Posted 08-24-09 08:01 AM Any accident that could have happened to Caylee, KC and her expertise lying skills would/could have concocted a lie to make everyone believe. Overdose-Cindy left her pills in reach of Caylee, drowning-Cindy or George left the pool ladder near the pool. Choking on food-that one she would have called 911. She premeditated this, 1. She told George they would not be returning home that night. So since there is no nanny, she knew that her and Tony had plans. So Caylee was going to be where? in the Trunk. But she knew that Caylee wouldn't be knocked out or in the trunk all night, because she was going to kill her. 2. The baby was in the trunk, no matter what other scenario I can think of, this is the one thing that if it were an accident, and she watched enough murder movies and how they can figure out the true cause of death. The only scenario she could never lie about is why the baby was in the trunk, how the baby got in the trunk, if the baby climbed in the trunk then how come KC didn't get her or find her and get her out. Even in the few cases that I have heard about babies being left in their car seat. If Caylee accidently died in the trunk, she could have easily put her in the car seat and then called 911 and said that it happened in the carseat. I know no one agrees with me and we probably will never know the truth about how Caylee last minutes on earth. This had to occr on the 16th. For KC was with Tony and not one person saw Caylee alive once she and Caylee left the house. By that evening Crusty was with Tony in Blockbuster. So if Caylee were alive, then where was Caylee? No one had her. If KC loved Caylee if it had of been any kind of accident she would have surely reached out to save her baby. The only accidental cause of death that she couldn't explain away, concoct a lie about was the baby in the trunk, that is why I believe that Caylee was murdered either KC took her fingers and pushed in on Caylee's windpipe, put the duct tape around her face, then when the decomp started she put the extra layers and sealed it with a heart sticker. OR she put the duct tape on Caylee as Pearl from Spongebob and it surely wouldn't have taken long in that Florida heat for Caylee to just pass out from lack of being able to breath with the duct tape around her nostrils and mouth and in the trunk in the Florida heat. IMO she didn't leave Caylee in the backyard, the Anthony dogs would have run right over to where Caylee was buried or hidden. She couldn't risk that. She knew that the parents were in and out of that backyard, swimming, doing yardwork always. IF Caylee, the death scent doesn't happen that quickly. The cadaver dogs wouldn't have picked up on the scent by the pool. Cadaver dogs go by the smell of decomp. That is why I feel that the body was brought back into the backyard from the trunk, the backyard was the only safe place for her to bring the baby back to and change her clothes and wash her up. She did this before she bagged her in the trash/laundry bags. She had to have a plan and in the mean time she had to get the excess waxy decomp fluid off of as much clothes etc. as possible, till she figured out a place to dump the baby. By the time she returned to that backyard, the decomp was thick, flies were everywhere. The cadaver dogs hit on two places, by the pool and by the playhouse. The playhouse was a safe place where she could clean up Caylee, she was hidden from any neighbors or George and Cindy if they per chance came home for whatever reason. She walked out the gate to the neighbors house to borrow the shovel and then to return it. She climbed the ladder to the pool and swam in her clothes to get any residue off her body. In the Florida heat most of her clothes would have pretty much dried in about an hour the time she overturned the soil where the decomp and fly eggs were from changing and bagging up Caylee. The place where Caylee was found was an area that she knew, it was close enough that she could drive to safely with a bagged body in the trunk, it was secluded enough and not heavily traveled enough, school was out so there wouldn't be much traffic. So she forgets to close that gate. She didn't have much time to put the ladder away. She doesn't use the pool to wash the shovel, remember nothing was found on that shovel, she was very careful to not get the shovel anywhere near the fluid or the flies. She returns the shovel to the neighbor, She has to change the baby and wash her for she knows that she has to walk through the house, through the sun room to get to the garage. Had she just left all the fluid she would have taken the chance that fluid could drip through the house. She drives carefully to not get stopped on the drive to Suburban Drive. She opens the trunk and walks with bag in hand, after the coast is clear and tosses the bag into those woods. She used the pool chems and anything she could find to clean that stain in the trunk, and I believe that is where the higher levels of chloroform came from. She probably used the pool chems. They had a pool long enough to know that it would pretty much kill any bacteria and smell. It didn't work. So she starts to ponder on what smells strong enough to cover the smell. GAS hence the overwhelming smell of gas always. So she covers her azz by telling everyone that there definitely was a dead animal plastered on the car. Just in case anyone would get near the car, in the meantime. For her efforts at trying to make the scent go out of the rug in the car was to no avail. So she keeps "running out of gas" By the 24th when confronted by George, she could still smell but had the gas cans in there and it wasn't because Caylee was in the trunk still. It was because she was afraid he could smell what she smelled. The same thing with Tony L, she got him to help her with getting the gas cans and he stated that they only used part of one of the cans, and KC was the one that put the gas in and the gas cans in the trunk. Amy got her gas cans too, but they never went to put the gas in. Amy states that she AMy had to go to work that day and her and KC sat in the apartment till Amy had to go to work. This is my theory, and no boo hooing that she will ever do or no matter how bad she looks in court from here on out will get my sympathy. This is why no matter what there was never a way that she could ever explain/lie why Caylee was in the trunk in the first place.
This is what I wrote a few months back when I had my other nick on here.
I'm wondering, though, if Casey didn't actually carry Caylee's body into the backyard. Maybe, instead, Casey took Caylee's clothes off or took something out of the trunk that Caylee had been wearing/holding and then carried it to the backyard to wash it or bury it. The item would have smelled like decomp and probably would have had decomp on it. If she set it down on the ground, it would have left a scent that the cadaver dogs would have noticed.
The reason I wonder this is the scenario you brought up..... If Casey had carried Caylee to the backyard after decomp had started, whether it was in a bag or not, wouldn't she have risked getting decomp in the house? If decomp fluids were leaking? Why wouldn't the cadaver dogs have hit on locations in the house, along the path from the garage to the backyard?
Additionally, Casey was taking a huge risk if she took Caylee's decomposing, dead body into the backyard in the middle of the day. Anybody could have come by, including George and Cindy, and Casey would have been caught red-handed.
It's also possible that Casey did intend to bury Caylee in the backyard, which is why she borrowed the neighbor's shovel and why there was a small area dug up---however, she didn't actually ever take Caylee's body into the backyard. She planned to leave Caylee in the trunk while she dug the grave, and then she would remove Cayee from the trunk and put her in the ground.
In the end, though, she realized how hard and time-consuming it would be to bury Caylee and that her parents would probably notice a fresh grave dug in the backyard. So, she went to plan B and got the heck out of there, later to dump Caylee in the woods by the house.
Curious you are absolutely correct- the decomp fluid would drip, leaving a pathway all the way throughout the house, garage etc. But I still question whether she thought that burying Caylee in the back yard would have been an option to her. She saw how fast Caylee's body was deteriorating by that time. They had dogs. George and Cindy were doing yard work all the time. How could she have thought that burying Caylee there, with the smell and the flies that either one of them would not have noticed? It could have been though. She lives moment by moment in survival mode. Maybe she didn't even think that far ahead to even worry they would go and swim or sit out in the backyard. According to this last discovery in the insect report, for lack of knowing a better way to describe in writing , during the putrification phase first the body bloats and then bursts, the bugs help this process. So maybe she used a bucket, bowl, she needed water to try and clean up the decomp fluid. So she uses the paper towels, to clean up most, wringing it out in something and taking that bowl, bucket to the backyard and not to bury Caylee but the excess fluid. Using the shovel to bury that, she could see how the flies were attracted leaving maggots. Her parents were always doing yardwork. When Burner was asked what Casey was wearing, and LE asked if he noticed that she changed clothes etc. He said that he thought she was wearing a joggers top and shorts. Now since she needs water, to clean. Maybe she borrows the shovel before any of her clean up, she cleans up the excess decomp. Takes that into the yard, dumps it near the playhouse. Then she buries it under the earth. She would get some of the decomp, so she takes a dip in the pool, those jogging clothes in the Florida heat would not take long to dry. He wouldn't have noticed if they were a little damp anyway. He may have thought it was sweat. For in the insect report by the time she would have taken Caylee out there would be alot of fluid. So she returns to the car, wraps Caylee in trash bags, the whitney design bag. That is the only way that the dogs would hit near the playhouse and the pool. The back yard would have been the safest place for her to do anything because she could always call Cindy and George to know where they were. One day she had Cindy go to Universal, I bet she was at the house when Cindy called her and Casey told her that she was not there. Cindy was mad that she thought she was going to see Caylee and had driven all the way there only to find that Casey wasn't even there. Casey staked out the house to know when it would be safe for her to go in the house, and do what she had to do. I think that she did this on June 18th or June 19th. I don't believe that she would have risked having Caylee in the car that day that George confronted her with the gas cans. I think that she was using the gas fumes as a way to cover the stench. She may have on that day tried to clean more of that stain. Didn't the neighbors say that she backed up a couple times that first week? Maybe that first day she wrapped Caylee up in all the bags, then she returned the following day after dumping Caylee on Suburban, came back and cleaned up the rest of what she could of the stain. For if she had of left Caylee in there she would have been able to tell that it would be a losing battle to keep up with the clean up of the decomp. Maybe she thought once she got Caylee out of there that she could clean the stain and it would clear the flies out. Even those paper towels that she used to clean attracted the flies that go for human decomp. That is why the week period that the different kinds of flies were still being atracted to the trunk. I don't know this all just boggles my mind, in knowing that she could be so heartless, so callous, to take her beautiful little girl and to be able to stomach seeing her little body that way. Then to be so determined to cover up to be able to be so cold that she could have the numb mind to not be affected at all to clean up and just dump her little girl in garbage. This goes to show me that if she could do that, she could have premeditated this murder, and did, and could have cared less, that her little girl was in the trunk wasting away, while she was watching movies, shopping, playing house with Tony. In a backwards way just that she could even open the trunk many times and see Caylee like that shows that she doesn't have a soul, feelings at all. Her ultimate goal was to just get rid of what she had done, and move on to her beautiful life. After all she earned it right, after all she had been through from the 16th to the 19th.
Your theory that she never removed Caylee from the trunk to the back yard makes sense.
and the fact that the cadaver dogs hit on several places in the backyard tends to lend weight to the theory that Casey had some decomp on her and transferred it rather than that a dead body was in 3 different places in the back yard. that makes more sense. maybe she was going to bury her clothes or something
we will probably never know what she meant when she blurted out "they've haven't even found her clothes yet"
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