4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Where did Cain's wife come from?
The answer is simple there where other people beyond Adam and Eve and their offspring.
These people are not of the God Yahweh AKA the God of the bible.
Hi drude, Cain's wife came from Modern day Iraq. Yahweh only means "I am that I am". Most likely Yahweh is one of the old dieties of the Anunnaki. Jehovah is a Jordanian war diety.
In Genesis 4:16 it says, "Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. 17And Cain had relations with his wife and she conceived, and gave birth to Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city Enoch, after the name of his son." Genesis tells us that Adam and Eve had two sons: Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel, was exiled by God, and then in Genesis 4:17 we read that Cain had relations with his wife. Where did Cain get his wife?
The answer is simple: Cain married either his sister OR a niece OR even a more distant relative
In Genesis 5:4 we see that Adam had other sons and daughters.
"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created. 3When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth. 4Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters. 5So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died," (Gen. 5:1-5).
Since Adam lived several hundred years, having lots of children was not a problem. The Genesis account does not tell us about the order of the births nor does it tell us how old they were. By having many children it is certainly possible that there were many women around. This would mean that Cain married either a sister or a niece or some other relation. Of course at this point, the question of inbreeding is raised. But it is not a problem early on in the human race because the genetic line was so pure. Therefore, the prohibition against incest was not proclaimed until much much later (Lev. 18:6-18).
Is your point thast this info is SO important it should have been mentioned?
[quote]Is your point thast this info is SO important it should have been mentioned?[/quote]
If it is the ONLY evidence of their existence, YES!!!! Why do we have such a sparse description of their lives if they stretched for nearly a thousand years? Surely Adam and his children had many adventures and interesting stories to tell. They supposedly founded our species, populated the Earth. We know that they were born of God and kicked out of Eden, but we don't know the names of their children or who they wed? How do they do those family trees that trace back to Adam and Eve? Oh yeah, they lie....
May I repectfully suggest that you are all missing the point:
All of the believers on one side... all of the disbelievers on the other. Both of you wrong.
Because your all missing the point of the Bible, The Koran, the I Ching, Bhuddism etc, etc, etc.
It is widely accepted in the mystical 'community' (which studies, without bias, all of these works to discover esoteric truths) that all of these 'ways' to find God appeared at the same time (5000 BC) and were spread widely thoughout a very disparate civilization most of whom were completely unconnected.
The bigger question for me ... is where did all of the "great works' come from. Something gave mankind a broad brush roadmap of 'finding God' - printed in many different languages with many different stories and parables that point toward the proper way of living.
To debate what you are debating is to completely miss the point.
These great works were put here for us in the same way that the diagrams of how to build the machine were in Carl Sagens movie 'Contact'.
The detailed facts of the bible are irrelevant... what are relavant are the big stories... Jesus, Mary, Job and on and on. The stories are all analogies of experiences one encounters along the mystical journies. Contemplate the stories.... don't rumuinate on the details.
A better thing to ruminate upon ... is what happened to civilization 5000 years ago... were we visited? Did we just evolve enough to understand what has been here all along.What happened that all of the great religions were discovered?
The Bible is not a “historical” book in the traditional sense: Of course there is history in it. The BIG theme starts in Genesis 3 and basically continues into Revealtion, that is the fall of man and God’s plan to bring us back into his presence. I am not asking you agree with it , but that is the “fundie” viewpoint. And I know we all respect each other's viewpoints.
I’m sure Ishmael and Hagar had an adventure or two, but their lives aren’t followed up on either.
Methuselah only got one line
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[quote]The Bible is not a “historical” book in the traditional sense: Of course there is history in it.[/quote]
So what? Can't you see the Bible is a broad roadmap of the milestones of the journey... all religions are the same apparently all of whom were disovered beginning 5000 years.
The Bible and all other religions are only metaphores and milestones for how to achieve God... and it gathered some history along the way.
Man started questioning his existence. Where did we come from? Why are we here?
Since man obviously didn't have the answers (still don't), belief arose that "something else" MUST have them. It was only a matter of time until people started claiming this "source" as their own.
Amazingly, this "source" has taken a thousand forms and temperaments throughout the ages. A true "social chameleon", its characteristics reflecting the perceptions and desires of the people seeking to find "it"...
The point is there are other people that where not created from Adam and Eve. Not burden with Original Sin and not subject to the God of the bible. I hold that Cain's wife came from these other people. They are the people of the other Gods. The Polytheists that have existed through out history.
You have obviously not read my deikmann reference... you just seem to want to throw out rhetorical issues to sidetrack the true the searchers. Your critiques and self-amusing 'insights' to me have become shallow and patronizing. But still you refuse to read real truth when i give it to you and you persist in being a nuisance.
An article in Justor states that Joshua declares that Terah, Abraham, and Nahor had served other gods and that only Abraham was called out of Haran to serve El Shaddai. Some sources show Abraham as calling Him Jehovah which is a title from a later period. Abraham is said to have actually been a henotheist because he recognizes Melchizedek: http://www.jstor.org/view/01903578/sp040077/04x2872l/0 pages 295-296
[quote]til' you just had to get your licks in.[/quote]
Look you are on of the best entrenched pre-mystics here. And you want that...
One of the keys is to seperate yourself from your 'self'. We naturally have a perspective of 'looking out' for oneself. It's the way the jungle is.
But you are onto a different path.... you are on the way to the the center of the forest... by your own inner drives.
This other path requires that we look for simialarites in all things (cosmic consciousness) rather than differences. It is the sense of differences that feeds our ego... "I'm smarter(richer, better, holier) than them".
If we focus on similarities we all become but baldes of grass from the same piece of sod. We have much more that binds us than seperates us... despite our differences.
And we are all just miniscule parts of the big clock that is whirring around us all.
And for those of us who climb the most dedicatedly... God show himself.
It's not a question of are you any of those things... it is 'is that the way you see things'. If you compare 'yourself' to others you are destined to become a failure... because the entrance to the world beyond this world is seeing the simialrities in things not the differences.
It takes concentration. But once you get it you will never forget it. It happened to me at about your age when i was in bellingham Wa. Looking up at the trees on the mountain.... in one brief flash... they were no longer trees.... they were life....sames as me. However Mother THC used to look after me pretty well.
God comes from the word Good, it's a human consept, for humans, by humans. You're all postulating on an invisible consept & the bottm line is, you "all" don't know! The more you think you know the less you really know. Be still.You're flapping around like fish out of water, trying to make sense of the invisible truth.
O.E. god "supreme being, deity," from P.Gmc. *guthan (cf. Du. god, Ger. Gott, O.N. guð, Goth. guþ), from PIE *ghut- "that which is invoked" (cf. Skt. huta- "invoked," an epithet of Indra), from root *gheu(e)- "to call, invoke." But some trace it to PIE *ghu-to- "poured," from root *gheu- "to pour, pour a libation" (source of Gk. khein "to pour," khoane "funnel" and khymos "juice;" also in the phrase khute gaia "poured earth," referring to a burial mound). "Given the Greek facts, the Germanic form may have referred in the first instance to the spirit immanent in a burial mound" [Watkins].
Not related to good.
Originally neut. in Gmc., the gender shifted to masc. after the coming of Christianity. O.E. god was probably closer in sense to L. numen. A better word to translate deus might have been P.Gmc. *ansuz, but this was only used of the highest deities in the Gmc. religion, and not of foreign gods, and it was never used of the Christian God. It survives in Eng. mainly in the personal names beginning in Os-.
P.M.S.L Simplify your life & you will be closer to God is what I'm saying. All the mumbo jumbo & cross referencing is a wall to the simplicity of being. You are not your mind, just as the computer program running continuously in the background, is not the computer.
