"... about how the world's free market financial system reflects the grander workings of the cosmos. It seems that all human systems and institutions work similarly ... in the same model and motion as the cosmos.
What is the cosmos? It is the sum total of everything. What we can see and what we can't. And the working of 'the financial markets' resonate with the bigger system(s) with in which it exists.
It is interesting to note how the models pile up one on top of another. You have the microscopic model (cells and atoms) , which builds upon it the 'our reality' model .... which has built upon it the macroscopic (solar system & universe) model. All of it wrapped up into some grander cosmological model... The 'Big Clock' if you will.
The heart and soul of the 'real' world is that it is both very big and very small... and we are only one small dot along the very long continuum between small and big.
But there is another reality juxtaposed with that real world... ... and to the best of my understanding it is an 'energy'. The cosmic energy.
This energy showers down upon all of us... as the suns rays shower down upon flowers to make them grow. It is our choice at to whether we wish to receive that flow of energy. Which explains agnostiics and athiests.
Unlike, the sun to flower model...it appears to me that the 'cosmic energy' is both mechanical and sentient... as opposed to the sun's purely mechanical process. With the sun...there is a one way flow. Sun to flower. Nothing much going the other way...from flower to sun.
With the cosmic energy there is an interaction. Many have interpreted this cosmic interaction to have been a 'holy' event in their lives.
For the mystic... life is about the progressive, cumulative receiving of this 'holy' energy. It elevates one's demeanor, instills joy and bestows insight. The mystic is devoted to receiving as much as is possible of this 'holy' energy...and does so according to his peronal charcter inventory. The better the person... the more energy can be received... and the more one is 'of use' to the Power.
But this cosmic Power seems to possess a quality of being a 'sentient mind'... and it is does have a mind of it's own.
It changes natural law for It's own purpose and can order or change our realities in whatever way It wishes.
Redbert has shown himself to be the typical Fundie. Unable to think outside of his religious confines and willing to wage personal attacks when he cannot understand or attack the facts.
I am amused by his attempts at character assassination. He acts like posting my information is gonna do huge damage to me (btw he hasn't even found the good stuff). I have put it out there expecting people to find it. Why else would you put stuff out?
I am signed up for an Anthropology of Religion course this semester, unless I am let into another class I need that is full. I think it will be interesting meod meod. I am also taking a publishing course, hebrew, and a major figures in theories course. There do seem to be certain inherent flows to many things - it was something represented in that show about emergence.
I prefer to study Astronomy over Astrology myself because the ancient omens did not give the Babylonians much help. Are there signs given to us by God or the Gods in heaven? I don't know. You know what they say about the full moon, but honestly I haven't been helped much by those kinds of ideas. I do not completely disregard them though - just like psychic ability. I have not had psychic abilities myself, but do not deny their existance. Many of these types of endeavors are bogus, but that does not eliminate the possibility of some of it being true.
[quote]I have not had psychic abilities myself, but do not deny their existance.[/quote]
Frequently, real psychic abilities start somewhat later in life. You seem in line.
Re:"Astonomy vs astrology"
I agree astronomy first (the big clock) and then astrology as a way to understand people. Astrology over psychology/psychiatry but not over astronomy. Those two are on par... just for different understandings. One the cosmos... the other for understanding people.
[quote]They do not observe us and guide us. This a part of the power men use over men, the old gods told me to tell you lies.[/quote] [quote]God does not give these agents of nature any power of knowledge over the doings of human actions or emotions, except that we observe them for survival food supplies and weather. They do not observe us and guide us.[/quote]
Just because God does not talk to you... does not mean he does not talk to others... perhaps with purification, however.
I feel badly for you Jray. You are obviously a man who has tried to live a good life. You are trying to help people here and to search for the truth in your own way... but for some reason you refuse to look God straight in the face. Why is that.
With 'running' you only escape the battle... and the war (for your own peace) goes further neglected. Ar this rate Jr you might die before you figure it out.
And I, and many other believe, that that would be a trajedy. But we all must lie in our own beds...
[quote]This energy showers down upon all of us... as the suns rays shower down upon flowers to make them grow. It is our choice at to whether we wish to receive that flow of energy. Which explains agnostiics and athiests.[/quote]
What "energy" is that? What does it "power"?
[quote]I feel badly for you Jray. You are obviously a man who has tried to live a good life. You are trying to help people here and to search for the truth in your own way... but for some reason you refuse to look God straight in the face. Why is that.[/quote]
Why do you choose to attack him and brag about your own philosophy? By your own testimony, he has led a good life, tried to help others (not CONVERT them, BTW), and searched for the truth. Where do you contrive your justification?
Ae, [quote]Why do you choose to attack him and brag about your own philosophy? By your own testimony, he has led a good life, tried to help others (not CONVERT them, BTW), and searched for the truth. Where do you contrive your justification?[/quote]
It comes from those years of psychotherapy with seemingly resisting patients who are ... crying for help...in their own way. If you fail to proceed far enough with such defences you are sacrificing the 'salvation' of that patient for the sake of whether i am concerned about how i appear to others. That is one of the hurdles of being a good psychotherapist... being able to say and do outrageous things .... to make a point (for the 'insight benefit') of the client.
Here's my logic... i believe God has put Jr and me together for a reason. The battleground is wisdom and logic.... the process is the 'Master Game' (Edmund Bucke). Hopefully we Jr & me) can exercrise suitable discretion when it comes inflicting damage on civilians.
Ae, [quote]Why do you choose to attack him and brag about your own philosophy? By your own testimony, he has led a good life, tried to help others (not CONVERT them, BTW), and searched for the truth. Where do you contrive your justification?[/quote]
I give no more then i receive... as i've said many times ...go back and read the postings then you tell me who was attacking whom.
First and formost, I'm trying to 'reach' JR not destroy him. It's not my intent to do damage it is to bring enlightenement to those who are lost... and i believe Jray is lost.
He has very few years left in his life... and after what is likely a long number of years searching, has gotten so close but is still so far away. I'm trying to help him complete his journey through life successfully... by finding God before he dies.
While my actions may be a little 'tough love', they do achieve their purposes: Get their attention. Wake them up. Get them looking again. Then finding.
What should i do leave him wandering aimlessly through the final 10% to 15% of his life?
Is that what you would do? Just leave him because.....
Ae, [quote]tried to help others (not CONVERT them, BTW), and searched for the truth.[/quote]
"Not convert them", you say. Go back to a recent Tombs posting where Jray flatters Btani and then gives his message... "God is not real. He does not exist" I would call that converting.... to the dark side.
If the world can be dichotomized: black-white, good-bad, right-wrong... the two forces that will oppose most and battle hardest are those whose beliefs are about opposing religions.
It is only when man is fighting for his highest ideals that he will abandon all concern for the self and elevate his thinking to the 'whole'.
I do this for God and Country.
Jray is attempting to convert people to the 'dark side' (to go a little star wars)... which begins with the assertion that there is no goodness or God. He is trying to seduce people away from the truth because he has determined, because of his lack of success, that there is no truth.
But fib/jr has no good message. He takes people away from the truth... so that he does not have to be alone in his lie.
A lie which is desperately sad and lonely for him... he appears to be estranged emotionally from most around him and i believe his final days are being spent in a living hell... just waiting to die...
My God Ae, I understand the man... i was where he is just 5 short years ago. Disillusioned, depressed, dejected and bitter. A life spent searching... with no finding. The feeling of a life wasted.
I was not condemning Jr with those words... a life wasted... I was empathizing. I was trying to tell him the best i can... that i understand.
And trying to share... with another soul as lost as the former me... the secret that i have happened upon.
Nothing machiavellian about my agenda...just trying to be a good samaritan.
As Susan pointed out, JR and I are much alke.
And i know in his heart of hearts that Jray doesn't want to die that way. He's not evil.... just lost... and I'm trying to help.
The problem is, in jray prostelizing his false conclusion to others he is leading innocent searchers astray and to their own unhappy demise. Oh, he does it innocently enough... but emotional turmoil is still emotional turmoil however one comes about it... the absence of God in one's life is defined by 'emotional turmoil'.
So i'm not out to get JR. He's just wrong that's all... and not intentionally.
So my job, as i see it, is to show him the light... if i can. If not, to stop him from sending others off course. Because his prostelizing is creating havoc in God's big clock.
As you know, life without God is dark and heavy. That's why you're here Ae... to feed off the light so you can run back to your darkness carrying the light without ever having to risk. All the while believing that you are open minded... when in fact you are just afraid.
But you are missing the point of the whole exercize. God can give you permanent light... if you'll just seriously ask him.
But you ain't there yet...
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I see why you left psychology. You are poor at reading people. Honestly, I think most of you are very confused people. It scares me that so many people are detached from "reality", the one we live in, not the one in our head. I am here to be a voice of reason. I am here to contradict lies and pseudoscience that apologists throw around, confusing the masses. If people want to believe things based on faith, fine. I just can't stand all of the BS that people try to pass off as "facts" and "evidence". They lie to others and manipulate them, whether they realize they are doing it or not...
You think you are SO ENLIGHTENED. You think you are SO SMART and SO WISE. You are so full of yourself. Arrogance and smugness weren't virtues last time I checked...
Ae [quote]I am here to be a voice of reason. I am here to contradict lies and pseudoscience that apologists throw around, confusing the masses.[/quote]
Good so you admit to being here also to prosteletize. Good we've got that on the table.
What are you prostelitizing?
"Reason"
And you are casting yourself here as the "voice of reason". And you call me arrogant?
Ae [quote]You think you are SO ENLIGHTENED. You think you are SO SMART and SO WISE. You are so full of yourself. Arrogance and smugness weren't virtues last time I checked...[/quote]
Cut the Bs, Ae. I have read and thought long and hard about everthing i talk of. I have had the benefit of multiple diverse careers that have taught me a global perspective along with the intensity of one on one psychotherapy.
Whatever wisdom I have acquired has come with hard learning. I have worked long and hard to get to wherever it is that I am.
Arrogance is imagining that one has achieved in life what one has not. It is believing one is actually greater than one really is.
I do not tolerate misbeliefs about myself... I work very hard to rid myself of any flaws i uncover.
... and i try to be filled with God... rather than 'full of myself'.
Keep working on it. I don't think you've come as far as you've convinced yourself that you have. It is always easier to see the flaws of others than our own. One should never cease to reevaluate themselves and their beliefs, or they fall into the same trap...
Outburst? Perhaps you should consider your's. Try rereading your original posts to Jray. Look at what you are saying and why. Then read what you wrote after the confrontation. Look at how you brag about your greatness and taunt your "cowardly opponents". Then you pick a fight again, because you got SO MUCH satisfaction from the first one. You have some major issues. Accurate introspection is one of them...
"Try rereading your original posts to Jray. Look at what you are saying and why. Then read what you wrote after the confrontation. "
You try re-reading his psots to me. Then fit into context what i have said to him. Any one who steps into the middle of a long 'feud' is going to be overwhelmed by the intensity and cuttingness of the sentiment being expressed.
You've been taken in by the emotion AE... its your own fear of my message that directing your resentment towards me.
