Stay at homers are lazy people - plain and simple, spitting out babies like a soda machine. More babies = more excuses not to work.
Hey, JLD. Now do you see what I mean when I say women who CHOOSE to raise their own children rather then have daycare do it might be a little frustrated and angry? The idiot who posted this bitter diatribe is not in the minority when it comes to these views. How many more examples do you rampant feminists need before you see the light?
Stay at homers are lazy people - plain and simple, spitting out babies like a soda machine. More babies = more excuses not to work.
It would be nice to see at least a few of you self proclaimed feminists who have lashed out, condemn this kind of attitude. At least then I might be able to take some of what you say seriously. You may disagree with the notion that it is better for children to be raised in the home rather then at daycare but surely you can't support this moron.
My challenge...lets here you feminists who have been defending your choices stand up and show this poster what an idiot she is. Then perhaps real debate can take place.
Stay at homers are lazy people - plain and simple, spitting out babies like a soda machine. More babies = more excuses not to work.
Hey, JLD. Now do you see what I mean when I say women who CHOOSE to raise their own children rather then have daycare do it might be a little frustrated and angry? The idiot who posted this bitter diatribe is not in the minority when it comes to these views. How many more examples do you rampant feminists need before you see the light?
LOL...well, one might construe that the above could be called a troll or flamer. Also, why automatically assume that the poster is female? It could just as easily be a male troll. The most logical conclusion is that their viewpoint is, imho, as illogical and perverse as those who say that women shouldn't be mothers and work. After all, if it's ok for dads to work, it's ok for moms to work, too.
As for your use of the word "feminist", one has to really wonder what problem you have with a perfectly legitimate and logical word that has every right and justification for being?
More over, the question remains - why aren't YOU one? After all, a man of quality has no problem with EQUALITY, now does he? I would have thought that would be perfectly clear to you by now...
Again, it makes no difference whether a mom works or not, just as it makes no difference if Dad works or stays at home. They're all 1 in the same and none are superior to any of the other.
Sorry to tip your baby buggies, ladies, but the last time I checked my DNA,I was a female, and a mother. I inherited my "feminist" attributes from my own working mother. I was raised to be independent and never dependent on anyone.
Stay at homers, (not including women who work from home) put themselves and their children in a precarious situation in the event something happens to the relationship. Having current skills and income from outside the home, even if part time, is a form of nurturing the family, too. As women, many with children, we cannot predict the future, but we can do our best to prepare for it.
Employers, and I am one, don't look favorably upon hiring stay at homers that have been out of the workforce for 5, 10, 15 years. It may be cruel, it may be your male trolls and evil feminists making such decisions, but it is the real world.
The self righteous "Career" stay at homers further promote their eternal dependency by staying perpetually pregnant, i.e. more babies = more excuses/justification to stay home. They have nothing in common with the women of a century or more ago that milked the cows, made the bread and butter, made soap, sewed all the clothes, washed the clothes by hand, plowed the fields. etc. So stop patting yourself on the back for doing nothing - and be honest: Stay at homers don't want to work or are too afraid to make the effort to work.
The biggest concern I have about stay at homer baby makers it that they proliferate another generation of dependent,stay at homer, baby makers. Sounds more like a religious cult than a lifestyle.
You know Dawn King you started out making some sense but ended up realy bad, get a life and thats from a stay at home mom, who will still get hired even after twenty years if needed.
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Originally posted by happymom4: Dawn King you sound like a very angry woman, are you a woman?
I do believe she DID state she was one. And there IS more than an element of truth in her statements.
The workplace is NOT what it was 5, even 10 years ago, and the workplace of 20 years ago is totally obsolete in the world of today. Most, if not all, offices work in a world of the newest technology and if you've been out of it for even a couple of years and NOT kept up with what's going on, a person is at a vast disadvantage. More over, a lot of places won't even give you a 2nd glance. I know...as the old saying goes, been there, done that. I lost at least 2 jobs because I wasn't computer literate and couldn't do computer research, even tho I did the "old fashioned" book style of research. I rectified that situation very quickly and have never looked back. I further realized how dumb I was because I had thought it didn't matter. WRONG! Oh, boy was it wrong!
In the world of today, you keep up or you get run over.
SAHMs entering the workforce for the 1st time or even reentering after several year off will find themselves sadly disappointed and at a very extreme disadvantage if they don't get themselves into classes or be up to date on both hardware AND software. Now, I know there are plenty of jobs that don't require such knowledge, BUT the sad fact of the matter is, they WILL have to know it because they most likely will have to settle for lower paying jobs because their skills and/or knowledge is out of date.
Regardless of whether you're a SAHM, WOTHM, or a WAHM, it is absoutely NECESSARY that you keep your skills and knowledge up to date. SAHMs should never be so naieve to think they'll never have to fend for themselves. Unfortunately, the odds are against you, sad to say. And that's NOT being negative...it's simply stating the unfortunate truth.
Even SAHMs can educate themselves or take on-line classes to extend their world. To not do so is putting your family, and yourself, in a very possible bad situation. Better to take precautions than be put out on the street because you live in a fantasy world.
You too JLD you start off sounding realy good and then you have to end it like an idiot, so sad, oh well while you are out at work i will just go get my hair done and go for some lunch with my friends. Have a good one.
Originally posted by happymom4: You too JLD you start off sounding realy good and then you have to end it like an idiot, so sad, oh well while you are out at work i will just go get my hair done and go for some lunch with my friends. Have a good one.
Hate to tell you this, m'dear, but I'm probably old enough to be your mom (am 53 right now). And as I said, been there, done that. And I'm simply stating not only the obvious, but the statistial truth.
I'm 4th generation working mom and I would dare say that my daughter (18 and getting ready for college) will probably be the 5th generation. I've seen it happen too many times and it's NOT a pretty sight. I took 3 1/2 years off after my parents died (5 months apart) back in '99. I did long distance care giving + work + parenting + home. Went back to work, but some things had changed in that 3 1/2 years and I had to sharpen my skills.
Now, like I said, I've been there....and I've seen it happen to others. No idiot here, m'dear. The only ones that are are the ones who live with rose colored glasses.
Originally posted by Dawn King: question for "happy" - who is watching your litter when your out having lunch with your friends and having your nails done?
While I may mostly agree with your post prior to this one, IMHO, I think your POV here is a tad bit rude and unnecessary. I have witnessed a lot of SAHMs who do fit the unfortunate image you've railed against. In fact, a good portion of them were at the pariochal school my daughter attended for 8 years. However, I also know SAHMs who do NOT fit that image as well. It's like anything else - the bad ones are the ones who get the notice and the good ones don't.
Your post re: employers/employees and reentereing the workplace is pretty much spot on. I do object, however, to painting every SAHM with the same broad brush, just as some SAHMs tend to do with WOTH moms.
Looks like it's you, happylittermom4,that has your panties in a bunch! If you and your delusional lunch buddies lack any contingency plan for your future, it's no sweat off my brow. Your little group of hunny-bunnies may think your obliging husbands are always going to be around to support you. The reality is that you are playing a dangerous game of economic dependency that will burden you in to old age, even if you stay married.
I think many stay at homers take their financial futures for granted, just like the 43 year old neighbor I just helped move out of her house. Really a sweet lady, stay at home mom for 20 years, no skills, and no outside income. Husband left her for a younger woman. House is in foreclosure. She and the kids moved in with her mom. Think she doesn't feel a little used? My heart goes out to her, but she set herself up for this abuse.
The baby-making, lactating, stay at homers are taking the easy road - for the moment. And they may be able to buffer themselves from reality for quite some time. But having real world work skills and income is nurturing, too. When we bring children into the world, there's even more reason to be concerned about one's financial future. A family's quality of life can change in a heartbeat.
Just so you know i do think of my kids future as well as my own, i am a SAHM who makes money from the house and that goes into a saving acc. for my kids every single month. My mother never worked a day in her life while raising my 3 siblings and myself, because my step-father was very wealthy, but she didnt have a good marriage and didnt speake the english language very well and she got up at the age of 50 went to school got a job and left that man who thought she can never do it, now she makes alot of money and just bought her own home all after 9 yrs.if theres a will theres a way, its called WOMAN POWER!!!!!!!! have a good one.
Good for you "happy" - you have more grey matter between your ears than I would have given you credit for earlier. And kudos to your mom, but I would argue that her situation is an anomaly rather than the norm. It's great to have faith, but that won't put food on the table or pay the mortgage. Don't forget about your immediate needs, I don't care how much your husband loves you or how much you think he loves you. And when you get old like me, just think how much better your retirement will be when both of you have retirement income. You don't want to set yourself up for poverty in old age, whether you are alone or married. All sparing and kidding aside, bad things happen to good people all the time. Better to have a parachute, just in case.
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