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I never insulted anyone. With your MCP attitude, it's obvious it hit a little too close to home that you don't like a balance of power. That's 19th Century attitude talking, not 21st Century reality.

I believe that children are better off being raised by mom AND dad then being put into a strangers home or center with many other children and that makes me a MCP?

I don't see the workplace as where power is balanced so I am a MCP?

I see a career as only a means to an end, and that is to provide for my family and it does not form any part of my self worth or identity and I am a MCP?


I never let work interfere with family and the greatest measure of success is raising wonderful children, and not giving that responsibility to someone else and I am a MCP?

Well, you got me...that must be it...I think that sending my child to some daycare where they are educated and molded by someone who may or may not share my values, who may or may not care for them as much as I do, who may or may not see them as anything more then a paycheck might just not be the best thing.

It's like talking to a 12 year old...when all else fails, use name calling.

Seeing as you have insulted me more then once, for no reason I will return the favor and let my true thoughts surface just this once.

You have stated that being home with your children would make you miserable, you have insulted and attacked simply because someone disagreed with you and you failed to address any of my points in an intelligent manner. I think it is probably best you have delegated your parenting duties to someone other then yourself.

All the best

looks like I hit a little close to home, eh? LOL

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I never insulted anyone. With your MCP attitude, it's obvious it hit a little too close to home that you don't like a balance of power. That's 19th Century attitude talking, not 21st Century reality.

I believe that children are better off being raised by mom AND dad then being put into a strangers home or center with many other children and that makes me a MCP?.

It is IF you're advocating that women have no right to work if they're a mom. Shame on you. We're no better/worse than a dad who works...so what's the big deal? You really do need to realize that this is the 21st Century. Being a working mom is no different than being a SAHM.

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I don't see the workplace as where power is balanced so I am a MCP?

I see a career as only a means to an end, and that is to provide for my family and it does not form any part of my self worth or identity and I am a MCP?


I never let work interfere with family and the greatest measure of success is raising wonderful children, and not giving that responsibility to someone else and I am a MCP?

And we don't let our work interfer as well. If one can't make it to something, the other one is there. If she gets sick and has to come home from school, one of us goes and gets her. Big deal. It's called TEAMWORK. When she had the chickenpox at age 2, we split-shifted our work. Big deal. It's called TEAMWORK. That's what reality is and that's what people do.

Moms work because they want to and/or because of necessity. Are they worse than sahms because they work? Of course NOT. Never have been, either.

My career helps pay the bills, puts food on the table, clothes on our back and a roof over our head. It also helps to save for her college. My career is as much a part of me as my daughter is. And I'm proud of it, too. I've shown her that she doesn't have to limit herself to a single role in life, and that she has many to choose from if she wants. My life does not revolve around her, nor does my child define me as a person as a whole. She is part of me, but not ALL of me. There is a BIG difference.

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I think that sending my child to some daycare where they are educated and molded by someone who may or may not share my values, who may or may not care for them as much as I do, who may or may not see them as anything more then a paycheck might just not be the best thing. [/QUOTE]

Ah, a responsible parent chooses a daycare that fits their values and morals. And we ARE responsible caring parents, after all. We are just the same as you.

And yes, I was totally miserable being at home. Gasp!!!!! I dare say I'm not the first, nor the last to have that revulation, either. Kudos to those who can, but a lot of us are in the same boat. We can't do it. I personally needed more in my life than just staying at home with my child. Again, my child is part, but not ALL of me. And never will be.

Now, I'm sorry if you can't handle the fact that women DO work outside and enjoy working outside the home. Your wife stays at home. Fine, but in no way, shape, form, or fashion does that make you and yours superior to me other others like me.

Welcome to the 21st Century, dearie.

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JLD

Rather then debate, you insult. Rather then make a point you attack so I really think it is pointless to continue this silliness with you. I will leave you with this.

All your post have a common theme.

Lots of "I's" and lots of "me's" and whats best for you and blah blah blah. No worries, I get the point.

I on the other hand tend to think its whats best for "them" and "they" that is important. But hey, what the hell do I know. The family unit of the 21st century is in shambles...children are raised by daycare and xbox. Most graduating children are borderline literate and youth violence, pregnancy, suicide and death are higher now then they have ever been in the history of western civilization.

Maybe it is time to think about when times were better and why? Nah...that might mean a little sacrifice for the greater good and who wants that.

LOL..you really are funny, you know that? LOL

It is TEAMWORK that makes good parents, not simply 1 doing all the work.

And I do work. I enjoy my work. It makes ME a better person, a better parent, and a better partner to my husband. WE both are responsible for OUR daughter.

Now, if the fact that I take time for ME instead of being 100% on my daughter, so be it. My world does not solely revolve around her nor does being her mother define me as a whole. I am ME. She is a part of me, but not ALL of me.

I learned years ago a very hard lesson that if you don't keep a part of yourself, for yourself, you will lose yourself and your own identity. You cannot let 1 thing define you entirely. A mom, and a dad, are made up of different parts, 1 of which are the kids. However, they are not the whole.

Now, sorry that you have a problem with that. I just prefer to live in a world of reality instead of one of "the good ole days", which really weren't so "good." But then again, I lived thru them...most likely, you didn't. And quite frankly, thank God we're grown up from them.

This program is deluted by the concept that parenting is a dull and uneventful task which requires no preparation or skills.

In addition, it supports lieing to family members which does not help open lines of communication which would help these women communicate to their spouses their feelings of inadequecy which seems to be the main issue. This issue is based on "feelings" and not reality. Perhaps the problem is that the spouces need to hold the position and responsibilities that the women holds in the house in a higher regard. But then the concept of the program also shares the low regard for this position as it communicates that the "dreams" left behind were much loftier then those achieved as being the persons responsible for raising the children and making the most important decisions in their lives.

This program also demonstrates what little appreciation the women have towards their spouses as providers. They do not seem to value the many advantages they have over other women that DO have to work outside the house and don't have the time and energy to enjoy being with their family and being in their homes.

What a sad state of mind the producers of this program were in when they came up with this show and what a sad state of mind our society is in if they do not understand the complexity involved in the minds of these women for "failing" to appreciate their situations.

Sounds to me like some women are unhappy with their decisions to stay home and are protesting a bit too much about this woman wanting a career and having the opportunity to have one. I have a friend like that...she thinks working moms are negligent and selfish, odd that she has no education or job skills and if her husband left her she would be poverty stricken so she allows him to order her around like slave for fear of him leaving her. Sad.

I have never seen this show but by reading the posts I can presume what the general concept is. Being a stay a home mom means you give up on your dreams. Garbage.
I am a full time working professional and I have a 10 mth old son. My husband works too. I do not have him in a daycare, but my mother watches him while i work. Sweet set up - yes. But let me just say that I still have a very hard time leaving him and am CONSTANTLY thinking about how I can find a way to stay at home with him and stay afloat financially. It's not easy. The reason I want to be a SAHM is because - I WANT TO. I know its a lot of work but I miss my son and feel like I'm missing out on so much when I am at work.

Sometimes professional moms make so much money that it would be stupid to give up the career. The children may have a fantastic nanny and a part time church school for social interaction. The husband may earn enough that the family income will set the children up for college and provide for an early retirement.

this absolutely disgusting this guy is crazy
discovery should make a show for guys like this
wacky dont know it alls
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