Let's discuss the possibilities. Although I loved the show and the scientific principals behind them, I think there's other possibilities. What do you believe is the reality behind the legends? For all of those who think there is no reality, the idea of the griffin was born of dinosaur fossils. King Arthur wasn't supposed to be real either, but there is proof that he once existed although certainly not to the extent of his legend. But that's how things usually are, a grain of truth behind a mountain of legend. What do you think the reality is?
ok my question is if they are not real how did we know of them? people dont just make up creatures and not tell about them that they are not real ever it not like the village. so they have to be real
The scinece dudes make a good point. How can a whole lot of cultures make up the same excact creature without even having any links to each other. They must have been amazingly real
The idea that they had no contact is a theory. If I am correct the different cultures mentioned are basically Europe and China. There is evidence that some very small amount of trade existed between those two cultures for a long time. The evidence for it are products made only in Europe finding their way to ancient China and Japan. I'm a little fuzzy about the details, but I believe a mirror and a crystal bowl were involved.
You can't have a theory without at least circumstantial evidence. What we have here is daydreaming, pure and simple.
Find a pteradactyl skeleton dated as late as the middle ages, THEN you'll have the start of a basis for the theory of "dragons". Until then, stop being so stupid.
I think you'll find it interesting that historically, it is accurate that cultures on EVERY continent had great flying beasts. They do not all have the fire breathing ability though. South American temples are full of dragons. The North American Indians had beasts more similar to the Asian dragons. Also, a 17th or 18th century archeologist discovered ley lines, lines of strong magnetic currents in England. Ancient mounds, Stonehenge etc. where built where such lines crossed and they were exceptionally strong. Temples in South America have since been proved to also be on these cross sections of magnetic fields. In China, they knew of these lines of strenth in the earth and called them dragon trails! In China dragons are very wise and revered. Doesn't that add some fuel to the imagination!
In the very begining they name the aztec, eskimo's, chineese and europeans. now it can be said that yes the europeans and chineese may have had contact, but what about those half a world away knowing of the same creature in an age when it was commonly thought that the world was flat?? I do believe dragons once existed, and I believe that they still to this day do exist, but have found new ways to adapt and protect themselves from humans. One day maybe there fear will abate a little when man is no longer afraid of that they do not understand they will again walk the earth as they used to many many millenia ago.
But there is evidence bugmenot2 look at every content in the world, there is documented hyroglyph's, pictures etc that depict dragons. Now if they never existed then where did all the pictures come from ? Mass hypnosis? or some such thing? No, dragons at the very least once existed, there is no way the such diverse cultures half a world away that had never had contact could have "imagined" the same creature that looks almost identicale on every content... Also I think when they start doing serious exploration in the artic and antartic you will have the "proof" that you need to see that they did once exist.
Listen Guys, There is also Storys in The Bible of Dragons
Even, the only true religion in the world, and way into Heaven speaks about Dragons, God's Most powerful beasts ever created that could not be tamed by man.
So therefor, that is the point on which my belief stems from
If GOD the creator of MAN, and all of this world said it existed, and could still, then guys its real you're not gonna argue against God are you? lol cuz ull just loose that one
ok... they could have the prehistoric dragon, and become the marine dragon but one problem... how could forest and mountain dragons breathe fire? this is because the marine dragon had no use for fire and must have lost it right? also, if the marine dragon had hydrogen sacs it would float to the top of the water. would the forest dragon and later mountain dragon re-adapt to have hydrogen sacs and breath fire. maybe....
It's fun to explore different ideas. Mysticru, tell us about the eskimos. I'd like to hear that myth.
As for the spreading of tales, actually there are sound theories that some of the ancient greek tales were based on stories from before the continents shifted farther apart. That might explain dragons being remembered on all continents if dragons were around when the continets were closer. However, I'd like to believe that dragons existed later than that. I bet that there were huge flying beasts that existed during the time of wooly mammoths, etc. and that some of them crossed paths with man. I think Shadow10978 is probably right, our best chance of any evidence will be in a glacier. Maybe if one melts enough we'll find out that one branch of ancient beasts were actully dragons and their wing bones just never fossilized.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by marz55: -note nessie is a pleathosaur, an ancient creature not a dragon dragons are most likely real not fiction[/QUOTE]
To make that statement, you would have to know as a fact that Nessie is even real. Since that hasn't been proven and no actual photos have been taken, your statement is based on opinion only, therefore making your statement of what Nessie is, only a theory and not fact as you seemed to state..
I actually would love to believe dragons existed, I've always been fascinated with them. The ads for this show gave me a little hope which they unfortunately let down (but I covered that in another thread). Science has made me a bit faithless, I fear. Although the mention of many mythological creatures (shapeshifters, vampires, dragons, ghosts, etc) in various separate cultures implies that they should have SOME basic in fact, there is no evidence to support it. If dragons did exist, I believe they had intelligence to equal or rival man. The lack of proof of their existence and the lack of contact with us if they still exist makes my belief in their intellect stronger
Golden Dragon 22, one reason they don't make much since with different dragon types & their fire breathing is the story they were telling & trying to hard to make fire breathing a part of it. I spent along time researching dragons with every book in the library system & found that marsh/mountain dragons appeared to match identically to the description of Brachiosaurus, Brontosaurus & Diplodocus except in color, because real life accounts of encounters with these types doesnt match scientists creations since fossil discoveries. The only fire breathing dragon in history when you take the time to research, is the european dragon with wings, fire breathing closely matching the ones in Reign of Fire(movie).
When it comes to millenia as an idea for time, you need to research the Bible which shows the Earth is more like 7000 years old. Darwin was proven a fraud in his lifetime by his colleagues & carbon dating has been proven very faulty since it's invention.
When it comes to their intellect, the Bible says they praised God in a verse in a Bible from 1900, since then it says sea creatures or some other dumb translation of the fact. Also it's recorded in history that some heard european dragons speak, whether it's awareness of what they're saying or copying like a parrot I don't know. It's also recorded history that dragons around Pompei recorded dragon history on the walls of on the outside of the city of Pompei. It's also written in Chinese history(exaggerated in many cases, so possibly false) that in a very destitute area of China that dragons taught Chinese people how to write in a Chinese dialect. Also written in history is a story of dragons keeping a prison in China to imprison dragons who turned to evil.
There's far more than a little proof of their existence. You just have to take the time to read & if you believe in God than the Biblical accounts of them as animals which God created & which praised Him should be more than enough.
After all is said & done, sabre toothed deer & goats with gills were both recorded in Japanese mythology & in the 1990s were found living in Africa. Do you really think an animal in almost every country's mythology didn't exist & can't possibly to this day.
Considering the Diplodocus was found in the description of the marsh dragon & also found living in the 1970s by a couple scientists who were since shunned by the scientific community for their discovery in South America. The descriptions they had from local natives was that not even a Brontosaurus(an almost identical animal) could be what's living in their swamp land, but that on the Diplodocus fit the description of what they had seen.
I'll stick with believing atleast that atleast a small amount of Dragons still live today.
Aclastdance, you are forgetting another reference to fire-breathing dragons... check Job, forget which chapter/verse. The description of the Leviathan of the Deep.
GoldenDragon22, the show did address the hydrogen sacs in marine dragons. It said they would still possess them as a means of bouyancy. It would not be too far a leap to believe when the marine dragons once again took to land, they would re-apapt the usage of these glands for fire-breathing (if you can agree with their theories on them in the first place). They did state other species made the shift from terran to aquatic and back, you might be able to research and discover some possessed abilities which would have been useless in an aquatic environment but were redeveloped when they returned to being land-based.
Shadow, I gotta ask. Since you said you have a hard time believe several cultures made up identical depictions of a non-existant creature and therefore believe dragons exist... do you also believe in other shared myths such as shapeshifters, vampires, magic, and spirits?
But Nessy does remind me of a marine dragon.
