As if the show actually needed any proof being debunked, my biggest problem with its attempt at validity is the fact that most episodes of occurrences which happened recently had fake psychics and "paranormal experts" who recorded footage and audio at the "haunted" sites.
If there are tapes and videos that PROVE these paranormal events are accurate and actually occurred, why do they not air those tapes to add validity?
Also, when coming up with these fake stories, Discovery could stand to at least have some variety.
All the stories are white families, who are commonly newly blended families, who are awfully willing to accept a little bump in the night as being proof of some ghost in their newly acquired dream home (which they just sunk all their into, explaining why they stick around so long in the houses).
They are always catholic, or at least anxious to string up some crucifixes and haul in a priest or two. The blessings never work, so they call in a (I'm sure very pricey, but ineffective) paranormal kook, who does some more silly rituals.
Then, as if sensing the waning interest of the viewer, little bumps and creaks and flying objects turn into more volatile encounters.
Then they just pull up stakes and abandon the house all together. Conveniently this happens right as the show is running out of time.
The End.
I just wrote the next season.
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All the stories are white families, who are commonly newly blended families, who are awfully willing to accept a little bump in the night as being proof of some ghost in their newly acquired dream home
Well actually Soray, We minorities have the same experiences believe it or not!
For some CRAZY reason, native, hispanic, african americans somehow just happen to try and solve their issues on their own.
"I DONT KNOW!!!, I DONT GET IT!!"
Usually we tend to live with these entity's and spirits (with controversy) and after finding Jesus or getting arrested, We figure out (Not all!), The devil hates us. Just like other folk. So please dont think the evil one likes one race more than the other. Good TRY THO!! KUDOS!
Also, when coming up with these fake stories, Discovery could stand to at least have some variety
Soray (I spelled that correctly, right?), do you think I should be paid?
1. I am not caucasian 2. I am not on welfare or food stamps. 3. I do not come from a broken home. my parents have been together 50 years plus. 4. I do not do drugs. (darn!) 5. I do not have epilepsy. 6. I have an additive problem unless you count reading discovery forum everyday. (Questionable) 7. My I.Q. is 183 - lets talk 8. Having to recite my background is quite silly unless you choose to debate. I quite like debating actually.. However I have a friend, Animus I would like to include in our 'lil' debate. 9. My haunts are but true, sigh. Unfortunately my experiences are spread out through the forum. You must do a search for citachiquita.
Let me know if you have any issues! 'buona fortuna '
A Haunting was never meant to provide proof of the existence of ghosts or goblins or whatever. It is only meant to be a place where people tell their stories, which entertain us, and provide a cathartic relief for the people involved.
Or is it the proof of ghosts that you're looking for?
A Haunting was never meant to provide proof of the existence of ghosts or goblins or whatever. It is only meant to be a place where people tell their stories, which entertain us, and provide a cathartic relief for the people involved.
Isn't that basically what I said?
Soraya evidently hasn't seen all the episodes because not all are white families, blended families or Catholic.
If you want "proof" you need to watch shows like ghost hunters or something. They look for the hard evidence, and if they don't find it in a night, they move on.
Now I will grant that the shows follow a lot of patterns, the first haunting signs; the escalation; the conversion of the skeptic; the entrance of the psychic; the random camera shifts and dramatic music spikes, but there is a reason for this.
Demons and spirits, like the illnesses they were once believed to have caused, can be treated by certain formulas. There is always an X-Factor that determines the out come of the illness or the haunting, but many behave similarly.
And on the subject of every family being Catholic- first there are a billion Catholics, your going to run into a couple with ghosts.
Second, the Church has been around for 1700 years and to this day they keep professional exorcist on hand. When you need someone in terms of experience and clout to cast out demons, your first response is to find a Catholic.
[quote]When you need someone in terms of experience and clout to cast out demons, your first response is to find a Catholic.[quote]
What about Protestant ministers. Are they are not good enough in your view to cast out demons. They are just as qualified to do so as the catholic priest.
A Catholic exorcist has the training of a Green Beret when it comes to fighting demons. An exorcist is chosen by the Vatican.
And notice that I said first response and not only, you know I don't stick a single routine when I can have the fun of mixing up my pitches. Besides if only priests have the power to cast out demon, what fun would there be left for me?
As simplistic as it is to dismiss any of this as "just a bump in the night," or "old houses making noises," I think there's a bit more to it than that.
The first two are really the best as far as setting the tone for the major seperation between the two experiences. A Haunting in Georgia is certainly much more about an old ghost (plus some extra activity) haunting the land. A Haunting in Connecticut on the other hand, is much more involved in the aspect of demonic presence.
After these two episodes, it really does become quite convoluted to how it works in real instances. Some people are flat out full of BS IMO. The Morgan Knudsen episode for instance reeks of BS to me as someone that in the end is only selling their own product.
On the other hand, episodes like the one girl (I can't remember the names in the episode, apologies,) that had seen spirits like her Pop-Pop (From the episode) that seemed to not really want attention from it, but to tell the story. She had also been very reluctant due to her father's oppression.
While similar, the Benitez family story is one that also sets off tons of red flags of pure BS. The bottom line however is that none of these can be proved or dis-credited. I think there's definitely something to all of this mess, I'm just not sure we have the capacity to truely understand what it is exactly thus far.
Final thought: I only wonder why no one from medieval times appears before people. The ghosts finally got tired after 100+ years of haunting? What about animal hauntings? No family pet ever felt it had its life cut short? Why aren't there schools of goldfish haunting....like a microwave or oven or something? No dogs haunting fire hydrants? Something???
Final thought: I only wonder why no one from medieval times appears before people. The ghosts finally got tired after 100+ years of haunting?
Surely, your kidding???!!!! When did the good Lord hand out souls to animals?? AND if YOU'VE NEVER EVER thought bout this... ugh, whatever. Animals dont have souls malisyn.
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What about animal hauntings? No family pet ever felt it had its life cut short? Why aren't there schools of goldfish haunting....like a microwave or oven or something? No dogs haunting fire hydrants? Something???
Really!!! Read your own post and realize how silly you sound. Duh! A pet haunting their master? Can you IMAGINE HOW MANY PETS would be 'wandering' around? LMAO!
You've given me a GREAT laugh for the weekend. Thanks!!!
I'm curious Pappy, how is it exactly that you KNOW that animals don't have souls? I'm thinking that you do not BELIEVE that animals have souls, right? as I don't believe that there is a human being alive that can actually know 100% whether an animal does or does not have a soul, unless you've been gifted with talents that the rest of us don't have.
Personally, I believe that animals do have souls, but I can't claim to KNOW this.
I'm curious Pappy, how is it exactly that you KNOW that animals don't have souls? I'm thinking that you do not BELIEVE that animals have souls, right? as I don't believe that there is a human being alive that can actually know 100% whether an animal does or does not have a soul, unless you've been gifted with talents that the rest of us don't have.
Personally, I believe that animals do have souls, but I can't claim to KNOW this.
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I'm curious Pappy, how is it exactly that you KNOW that animals don't have souls?
as I don't believe that there is a human being alive that can actually know 100% whether an animal does or does not have a soul, unless you've been gifted with talents that the rest of us don't
What? Did you take a certified poll on the animal population?
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unless you've been gifted with talents that the rest of us don't
Correct terminology would be "unless you've been gifted with talents [sic](gifts)the rest of us [don't)do not have, etc..
Originally posted by Malisyn: Final thought: I only wonder why no one from medieval times appears before people. The ghosts finally got tired after 100+ years of haunting? What about animal hauntings? No family pet ever felt it had its life cut short? Why aren't there schools of goldfish haunting....like a microwave or oven or something? No dogs haunting fire hydrants? Something???
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the Middle Ages happen in Europe, not America? I’m new to the show, but most of the episodes I’ve seen were in America. I think there was an episode that happened in Ireland (probably the first episode I saw). If you want to know about Medieval ghosts, then there are shows/specials that actually deal with these entities. Don’t know if they are on Discovery and whatnot, but I have seen specials about it and read books about it during the years.
Ghostly pets I have actually read about in the past; some cultures actually believe in animal possessions.
You have to realize that the show is for entertainment purposes, so they pick the most interesting cases. A little benevolent dog spirit is not going to make the cut.
here's the real humor in the whole thing... some believe because some part of human nature wants to believe there is something else out there... and others have the oppostie nature.. just have to deny deny deny til PROVEN otherwise..(people that love to waste time) and of course there are the few that have experienced something incredible.... The humor lies just beneath the silver lining of a silver tongue devil... SALES, HYPE, EXCITMENT,ETC. another part of human nature... if someone shared a story or family vacation tale that was picture perfect or simply grabbed your interest... we tend to gobble it up... on the other hand... there's still some na sayer trying to rain on the parade... so as humans.. and that's the simple humor in your BUNK topic.. the question is... which is it.. can we grow up and support interests and unknonwn ideas? or will we be over ran with humans thinking and acting with the motivation that the simple minded client that started this thread... lol...lol...lol...lol.. i know some of you answered that.. freaks...lol the fact that any of you exsist to see this is the proof.... we HAVE and WILL continue our Growth... and just like anything that grows.. gotta do a little weed and pest removal every now and then ... it's no longer a matter of just believing or gaining and gaining interests.. we've GROWN to common sense.. can't wait to see what's next....
and for my finale... the muppet that started this thread hasn't even been back to this topic since... ohoohhohohhoohohohohohh maybe something spooooky got =him/her/her/him=
Uhm? Dare YOU "JUNIOR MEMBER" insinuate I AM A FREAK???
GET THIS. AND I ONLY SAY IT ONCE.
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You've wasted my time.
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if someone shared a story or family vacation tale that was picture perfect or simply grabbed your interest... we tend to gobble it up... on the other hand... there's still some na sayer trying to rain on the parade... so as humans.. and that's the simple humor in your BUNK topic.. the question is... which is it.. can we grow up and support interests and unknonwn ideas? or will we be over ran with humans thinking and acting with the motivation that the simple minded client that started this thread... lol...lol...lol...lol..
YOU want to spend the night in my HOME?? I'm sure not G23Y9H05T. Since u HAVE NOT BEEN in my home, ZIP IT, YOU WOULD BE PRIME TARGET, person just registered 10/06/08.
Dont knock what you dont know kiddo. I'm giving YOU a break because your such an A** - exceptional person!!!
Soray, the funny thing is this is my MAJOR argument, that the show seems to dwell on demonic possession, rather than hauntings. The show should be called "A Demonic Posession" to be fair. However, I can't believe myself saying this, but your subject title, "An indisputable fact that this show is BUNK" is not really accurate. This show is a dramatic recounting, so where would actual photos and evidence come into play? And in fact, because they do not show the real evidence is not indisputable evidence that the show is BUNK. It just doesn't really strengthen the case. Perhaps if they put the actual photos and EVPs here on the website that would be extremely helpful and provactive.
Since the production is way over the top, I kinda doubt they would do that. I kinda get the feeling if you talked to some of the people who volunteered to have their "hauntings" put on the show, they would probably say they didn't expect for their stories to be blow out of proportion in such a manner. Yes I am accusing the show of blowing their stories out of proportion. How do I know that or why do I make such a claim? Because for one, to have it done true to life would be extremely dull and a lot of viewers would drop off. And two, I have been involved in a t.v. series (one show) with a paranormal investigation group where the producers urged us to "add" to the show, *ahem* "add" I use the word in a polite manner. We did NOT choose to "add" a thing much to the producer's chagrin and were never asked back for subsequent shows pertaining to the matter at hand.
There is nothing wrong I suppose with doing shows on demonic posession if you believe in that kind of thing, but the show is wildly out of proportion on the subject matter. Oh, as for the show being all white peoples, well just flip around your channels, what else do you see? That doesn't seem to different if you ask me...
I agree. I mean whenever i watch the show it bugs me to death. Whenever something happens that they think is paranormal. They ALLWAYS point the camera the wron way. You would think that at least once they get it in the shot. But no, they actually point the camera at themselves so we can only see thier face. I'm sorry, are you expecting to find something paranormal on your face?
Oh come on! For people who really believe in this stuff - no amount of evidence would convince them. For them, the skeptic is the closed-minded silly person.'
Does it even really matter? It's a goofy fun show. It's scary enough to sit with your pre-teen kid after school and have a laugh before they do homework.
In fact, it's the perfect show to discuss critical thinking skills. Ex. all the symptoms the 'possessed' teenager shows are identical to drug abuse which is never even discussed.
One of the reasons Catholics do the exorcisms so much on the show is because they are not closed to belief of ghosts for some reason the Protestants are. *cannot figure that one out
Originally posted by chogaflame: YEP. LIKE I WAS SAYING. YOU GOTTA SHOW PROOF THAT THE SH*T IS REAL. WHEN THE MAURY SHOW HAS THE SHOCKING VIDEOS. THEY SHOW ACTUAL VIDEO OF ENTITIES SOARING AROUND ROOMS AND ME PERSONNALY I HAVE SEEN THOSE BACK WHEN I WAS INTO THE OUIJA BOARD, BUT THIS IS DISCOVERY NOT MAURY. NOW I AM WATCHING MAN VS WILD. AND I KNOW THAT SH*T IS REAL AND VERY INTERESTING
Originally posted by chogaflame: YEP. LIKE I WAS SAYING. YOU GOTTA SHOW PROOF THAT THE SH*T IS REAL. WHEN THE MAURY SHOW HAS THE SHOCKING VIDEOS. THEY SHOW ACTUAL VIDEO OF ENTITIES SOARING AROUND ROOMS AND ME PERSONNALY I HAVE SEEN THOSE BACK WHEN I WAS INTO THE OUIJA BOARD, BUT THIS IS DISCOVERY NOT MAURY. NOW I AM WATCHING MAN VS WILD. AND I KNOW THAT SH*T IS REAL AND VERY INTERESTING
Man Vs Wild is fake and staged. chogaflame, you are not the father.
I have often wondered why the actual proof wasn't included, as well. I hope any sort of it is when they make future episodes. Stress the future episode part!
I totally agree dragonrider96. A Haunting does certainly scare. I posted about the show not in production on Facebook and I am sure to reach thousands. If you are on Facebook or will sign up please add me Ann Smith. I am going to make another A Haunting group begging for more Seasons. I would never get tired of that show! Once the group is made I will post a link to it on here. I hope everyone that wants new show will join
Originally posted by animus89: If you want "proof" you need to watch shows like ghost hunters or something. They look for the hard evidence, and if they don't find it in a night, they move on.
Now I will grant that the shows follow a lot of patterns, the first haunting signs; the escalation; the conversion of the skeptic; the entrance of the psychic; the random camera shifts and dramatic music spikes, but there is a reason for this.
Demons and spirits, like the illnesses they were once believed to have caused, can be treated by certain formulas. There is always an X-Factor that determines the out come of the illness or the haunting, but many behave similarly.
I call bullsh*t.On the ghost hunters looking for proof its just half an hour of peaple "did you hear that." or "oh look its colder hear must be a ghost.It's not "proof" its entertainment.
Ghost hunting is a lot more complicated than feeling for cold spot and watching EMF spikes. You have to know what you are doing and what to look for. There is a lot of research that goes into finding a place that may be haunted. I'm not saying that the shows on T.V are accurate or even real ghost hunts I don't know, I didn't shoot them. But a large number of people dedicate significant amounts of time and money to ghost hunting and weather or not you find it in your tasts should not influence your opinion of it.
But a large number of people dedicate significant amounts of time and money to ghost hunting and weather or not you find it in your tasts should not influence your opinion of it.
I guess i don't understand what the big deal is. If you don't believe these shows are true fine, if you do believe they are true fine. Why does everyone have to argue over it??? I myself have had contact with earthbound spirits and know they exist. The difference between me and others is the fact that I don't need anyone elses opinion to validate my own!!!
Encounters seem to only happen to a few people that have the capability to see beyond this world.
As for recording evidence, when it happens, you never expect it! Plus they seem to be where the cameras aren't rolling. I feel they have a lot of intelligence.
I believe in the stories aired on A Haunting. Why would anyone go to that trouble if there wasn't any truth involved.
People have lives and are too busy to spend that time telling people their story, unless they felt it was important to provide us answers that there is something else.
Ugh!