i agree $2000 is alot for a pup unless you have that kind of doe laying around go ahead if you want but im not one of those people.

luckily i found a couple pit bull breeders that dont want $2000-4500 for a pup instead its less then $1000 for the pup and shipping

Pitt-man: It depends on the breed of dog really pit-bulls from a good working line you can find for far less than 1,000 yes. Most ethical APBT breeders yes sell for around 600 or even less.

Rottweilers however you will never found a working line dog under 1,000. So price range is really breed specific when it comes to purchasing from an ethical breeder.

doggiegirl25: And no I didn't catch the sarcasm and I called them adoption snobs because there are people here that every time some breathes or even thinks breeder they yell. OMG why don't you just adopt instead! Breeders should stop breeding dogs because there are too many! And so on and so forth.

So my comment on adoption snobs wasn't directed at anyone person just in general to those who attack people for buying a dog vs adopting.

acdxx009: Oh and yes I WOULD get on her case if I lived near you. I can't stand when people say they are training "schutzhund" but have no idea it is more than biting a sleeve. LOL if she ever told me that I'd be like "Oh really? How's the tracking going? Do they handle the obedience part of the course well?"

Yeah, I watched that video you posted. I'm going to send it to her =D Maybe she will be like "Oh, well aren't I dumb." and I will be like, "Well yeah - I would say so."

Badkittyamy:

Ok. Now I see your point and understand why you can get so frustrated about some posters on here. Sometimes it can get to the point where all dog owners are pointing fingers at each other and calling each other names. I reread your previous posts several times and now I understand your reasoning. Yesterday i guess I just didn't "get it". I only adopt cause I feel it's the best solution. I DID buy from a breeder at one time in my life and I felt that she didn't give me a full blooded cocker spaniel puppy. I think it's more of a cockapoo than anything else. And we spent about $200 or more for her!!!! But if you wanna buy from a breeder, then it's up to you.

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Originally posted by shaiya1:

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The people that pay that kind of money for a dog is a TRUE dog lover.

Carrie496...
WRONG... they are usually TRUE fools. A TRUE dog lover wouldn't care where their dog came from or what it cost. Unless you're breeding (not back-yard breeding like you are doing, but serious breeding)or showing, there is no reason to ever pay that kind of money for a dog.

Well i have mix rescued breeds from the pound and I have purebreds. The kind of "purebred" dogs i have happen to cost that much because i wanted a healthy one that was not from a backyard breeder or puppy mill. Plus that is just how much they are. The ones that cost under a $1,000 they are most likely froma either a puppy mill or a BYB. All the parents of my dogs i bred are completely genetically health tested. So it's not a back yard breeding thing. I only did it once and found out that raising a litter of puppies is hard work and not for me so my dogs are getting fixed within the next month. I'm also keeping one of the puppies because he is so fricken adorable! . If i was a back yard breeder i'd sell that puppy for the money and would NOT care who adopted him as long as they showed me the money. Right?

Just look at him...
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i45/carrie496/BrinkleyPA140227.jpg

The reason i wrote that "someone who pays a lot for a dog is a True dog lover" meaning they are less likely to turn it into the pound or try to rehome the dog if the dog doesn't fit to their standards or has behavioral problems. They will do their best to keep the dog no matter what, knowing all the money they invested in him/her.

This is amuzing.

So you're saying that paying $1,000 or more, means your dog isn't coming from a backyard breeder or puppy mill? Well, pet shops charge over a thousand dollars, but eveidentally, according to most people on here, those are ALL puppy mill dogs. So tell me, exactly how does that work? The dog is only worth the money if it's from a breeder and is over a thousand dollars? Because if you ask me, that is just ludacris.

I payed $250 for my puppy from Oklahoma. Prices of the pups vary. Some litters are $350, others $500, and some $750. She does this for several reasons. Some of her pups will go on to to be bred, only the absolute best litters will go on to breed (costing $500-750, average price is %350, I was given a break). Now by best, I don't mean best temperment because they ALL have great temperments otherwise she wouldn't breed them. However, some are more "hyper" than others, some are quite small especially compared to the breed standard, some are standard size, some have more beautiful coats than others. It's all in what you're looking for. Also, Expences and what not in other states, may not be the same as my state. For example, average Rent here for an appt. is well over $1,000 a month. Now, in Oklahoma or elsewhere, it is more than likely different. Maybe she doesn't feel it is necessary to charge a thousand dollars for a puppy, even though they are sound healthy and happy pups.

So, if you're saying a pup that isn't a thousand dollars is from a byb, or puppy mill then fine believe it, but I just don't agree.

Maybe I need to clarify what I said...

I took offence to the statement about only a true dog lover paying big money for a dog. I find that some of the biggest dog lovers are the ones that will rescue even a homely mutt. (The other way to look at that statement is that you have to be a dog lover to pay that much for a dog- I guess it was how you read it.)

Second, I realize that there are several reasons why someone would pay for a solid, health-tested, pure bred dog. By reading some of the first few threads though, it seemed as if these dogs were simply "decorations". Too many people are duped into thinking that an extra tiny poodle is worth a lot more. These are the "fools" I was referring to.

I am not against breeders at all. I prefer a specific breed. I was talking to breeders and ready to pay for a puppy when one of the breeders told me about a rescued litter. I didn't want to show or breed, but I wanted to know what I was getting. I got lucky and found an Akita rescue puppy that fit my family perfectly. If a rescue wasn't available, I would have been paying big money too.

I certainly understand the value behind a quality dog. Too many people see a high price tag and assume that it must be quality. Usually it's the puppy that could never be shown or shouldn't be bred because it's too small for the breed standard, or the coat is the wrong color. People try to sell these as "rare" and charge a fortune. An ethical breeder would realize that this puppy should be spayed/neutered and sold as "pet quality".

Again, the breeder I went through guarentees that her dogs will NOT get into a show ring. Their sizes are not perfect, their coats are the wrong color (for example, my blue pup has black hairs with white tips, appearing silver, rather than brown hairs with black tips and some scattered white-ish hairs, appearing blue) and their tails come docked (unless otherwise specified by the pups new parents) which is a disqualification big time. The dogs are pure working dogs. Living on ranches and farms, doing what they do best. Being good ol' cattle dogs. While not all the pups go on to do these things, some go on to do agility, obedience, rally, flyball, and disc dog competitions. She told us what we're looking at, what the dog will be expecting of us, and that it wants a job. I paid for a Pet Quality ready to work, pup, I did not pay a thousand dollars, but I got a darn good dog, and beautiful to top it off! I got what I wanted, what I was hoping for. And that's all that matters in the end, he is happy and so am I. I only wish everything worked out like that!

Well, acdxx009, if you're happy and your dog is happy, then that's great. It's just sometimes I don't trust breeders. But I'm glad you got a beautiful dog that you can care for as well as train. I got my pup from the Humane society and I call her my D.L.W.->Dog Lottery Winner, because she survived parvo. Not all pups survive that deadly disease but she did. I think that if she had been at the humane society still and had gotten the disease, she would be dead now. There are no vets on call there(which makes absolutely NO SENSE) so if dogs get deathly ill, they have to humainly uthinize them. My Abbs is lucky because she survived that disease. She's such a wonderful pup with a great personality. I wouldn't trade her for anything!!! She's so cute. She's a part Spaniel, part Terrier mix. She has the loudest bark though! But anyway, I'm glad you got what you wanted.

That is great Doggiegirl25! Atleast some dogs find loving, great homes! Shelter, Breeder, or Rescue. They all deserve the right home.

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Originally posted by acdxx009:
This is amuzing.

So you're saying that paying $1,000 or more, means your dog isn't coming from a backyard breeder or puppy mill? Well, pet shops charge over a thousand dollars, but eveidentally, according to most people on here, those are ALL puppy mill dogs. So tell me, exactly how does that work? The dog is only worth the money if it's from a breeder and is over a thousand dollars? Because if you ask me, that is just ludacris.

I payed $250 for my puppy from Oklahoma. Prices of the pups vary. Some litters are $350, others $500, and some $750. She does this for several reasons. Some of her pups will go on to to be bred, only the absolute best litters will go on to breed (costing $500-750, average price is %350, I was given a break). Now by best, I don't mean best temperment because they ALL have great temperments otherwise she wouldn't breed them. However, some are more "hyper" than others, some are quite small especially compared to the breed standard, some are standard size, some have more beautiful coats than others. It's all in what you're looking for. Also, Expences and what not in other states, may not be the same as my state. For example, average Rent here for an appt. is well over $1,000 a month. Now, in Oklahoma or elsewhere, it is more than likely different. Maybe she doesn't feel it is necessary to charge a thousand dollars for a puppy, even though they are sound healthy and happy pups.

So, if you're saying a pup that isn't a thousand dollars is from a byb, or puppy mill then fine believe it, but I just don't agree.

I'm not talking about any breed of dog is only good if it costs over a $1,000. I was specifically talking about the Cavalier breed in general being good when costing that much. You can get a wonderful dog for under a $1,000 but prices vary incredibly depending on what breed you want and how much of a demand is for a particular breed. Try google'ing "Cavalier breeders in California" and ask a breeder how much they charge for a puppy? I really believe the reason Cavaliers are so expensive is because they are a naturally well mannered dog that is the easiest to raise. Trust me i know because i've been working with dogs professionally for well over 10 years and have met just about every breed out there including ones that aren't even reconized by the AKC. Cavaliers are not destructive. They hardly ever bark unless they have a real reason to. They are eager to please and naturally love and adore people and will follow you everywhere. I can't even go to the bathroom by myself. They are extremely easy to train and do well doing theropy work and in agility. Plus many Cavalier Club's have been trying hard to protect the breed so they don't become overbred like the American Cocker Spaniel. That's why they cost so much. You've got to pay a high price for the good temperament and healthy dog.

The reason pet stores charge so much is because they are in the business to making $$$$$. They buy a puppy from a breeder at the price the public would pay from a breeder. Then they jack up the price to make a huge profit off it.

I currently have a mixed breed dog that i adopted 14 years ago and she is the best behaved dog. And i only paid $45. She is very healthy except that she has thyroid disease but she is on meds for it. You would never know she had any medical condition. I also had a an American Bulldog mix taht we rescued from a high kill city shelter. We had him for 15 years. He was by far the best dog i've ever met and had in my life. He was perfect and went to work with me everyday. He had a job there and was used to test dogs at the cage free dog resort i worked at. He was extremely healthy until the last month of his life when he got liver cancer.

So what i'm trying to say is i agree with you when it doesn't matter about the price of the dog. But some people choose to buy purebreds and will pay a lot of money for the type of breed of dog they want to make sure its fits to the best of that breed and is healthy. As far as people buying puppies from a pet store for more money that's just people not using common sense these days.

Hm maybe I overlooked that you were talking about Cavaliers. But now we all understand eachother, lol.

That's alright. No offense taken.

I think people should have their personal feelings but why put others down? If you have a free dog, a shelter dog or a dog from a breeder as long as its taken care of where is the concern. I'd personally rather spend more money now then tons more later.

My most recent pup (Cane Corso) cost me $2000. Do I think I'm a fool, heck no. I could have got a pup from $800-1000 from a couple different breeders but why take such a huge risk? They were obviously bybs and while selling cheaper were in it for the money to be able to sell the litter quickly. Fools will buy from them because they just want the cheapest they can find and are not concerned with temperament, breed type or health.

One breeder who's pups were 900 have a very bad reputation for producing dogs with cardiac problems, hip dsyplasia and other health problems. Hip replacement surgery can be extremely expensive. Around here anywhere from $1000 - 1400 (for one hip). So I save $1100 now then end up with a crippled dog and spend $2000 - $2800 later, that makes no sense to me. Or have a dog which I love die of a heart problem? That would be devastating.

My long time breed has been the American Pit Bull Terrier, of which I have spent more or less money to purchase then my Cane Corso depending on the bloodline, parents, pedigree, ect. I have also owned other breeds and don't generally "go cheap". I don't try to buy the most expensive either. One guy hyped up his dogs but didn't even show/work them and he wanted $3000 for them...lol So I just buy from a good breeder and don't base my choice on price. I've had a couple byb dogs that didn't turn out so good. One had temperament and health problems and died at only 6yrs old. So that isn't a route I'm willing to take. If someone does and is happy that is great. (I was happy and loved her, just felt bad for her and hated to see her suffer) Sometimes you can get a good dog and sometimes you're the one that ends up with the nightmare.

I've had plenty of fosters and some permanent rescues. We just recently placed one. I love them just as much as a dog from any breeder. However some do have issues (many are from bad breeders/situations which mean either health or temperament problems). Others don't and are healthy dogs who also have a good nature. I also enjoy showing/working and don't want just any registered dog just because they have papers and can be shown.

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Originally posted by carrie496:
I really believe the reason Cavaliers are so expensive is because they are a naturally well mannered dog that is the easiest to raise.

I really believe (with some assumption) the reason a well bred Cavalier is so expensive is because of all the health problems. It is costly to test for these and complete the health screening and obtain the health certs. Another reason is because they just like other breeds besides the health screening there is also the cost of finishing a dog. This can really add up, depending on how long it takes to finish the dog. While they might be a great and easy breed to have they are not that popular either. Which is a good thing! The more popular they become there will be people ruining the breed.

Enjoy your puppies. i bet they are really cute. I grey up woth toy poodles. I adored them. i wouldnt mind having one again. Would be alot less work on my part of grooming then it is with my collie I have now lol.

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Originally posted by shaiya1:

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The people that pay that kind of money for a dog is a TRUE dog lover.

Carrie496...
WRONG... they are usually TRUE fools. A TRUE dog lover wouldn't care where their dog came from or what it cost. Unless you're breeding (not back-yard breeding like you are doing, but serious breeding)or showing, there is no reason to ever pay that kind of money for a dog.

Wrong petlovers do CARE where their dogs come from I would never want to support a back yard breeder, so I wouldnt buy from one. Pet stores are wrong also, so I dont even buy fish food in a store that sells puppies.

A reputable breeder costs alot more then jim bob down the roadelling tin so called teacup yorkies/or chis/ or poms (there is NO such thing as a teacup any breed. Justa very poorly bred small dog that is all it is) for 500. WELL bred dogs cost money.

LOL and if we thought that was bad later this year i will most likely be spending 3,000 on a pup from a kennel I highly admire. i could get the pups from yes another reputable breeder for cheaper BUT.

Not only does this kennel leave the dogs tail natural, a big want for me in a rottweiler, but they also produce WORKING rottweilers. Not just a dog that looks like a rottweiler but has no drive.

I wouldn't spend $1000 on a puppy, but if people want to, then what's the problem? When puppies cost that much it usually means they have good ancestry and were bred by a reputable dog breeder. But I just rescue all of my dogs, it's cheaper and I still get wonderful dogs.

just because they cost alot doesnt mean they have good ancestry. I've seen a breeder with Gotti and RE dogs and they wanted $10,000 for first pick lucky for them there is crack out there cuz you would have to be high to spend that much for some oversized mutts.

If a dog costs as much as $1,000 it doesn't always mean good ancestry. There's a lot of stupid people going out there and paying over $1,000 for designer breeds! If you're going to spend that much you have to find out why that dog costs that much. My boss shows English mastiffs and the puppies cost $1,200. But they're parents and grandparents were all champions, they have great health, great temperaments, and are awesome examples of mastiffs. But $10,000 for a dog...if I paid that much for a dog, let alone a mutt, it had better have a solid gold coat!

i got my boxer for FREE from a guy walking down the street with her papers when she was 6 months old and we have had her for almost 5 1/2 years and she is a GREAT dog and she wasnt from a breeder. ALL animals need homes (Except if they are wayy out of control)so ya some humane societys arnt great but those animals need homes too, y dont u rescue an animal that needs a loveing home even if they do come from a shelter that has poor living condicions to save it from that. almost all dogs can be trained if u try hard enough.