HA!

never!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
someone i know had a dog that was killed because he fell out and got under that tires. it is alos common for that to be strangeld by the leash. my dog always rids in the car with his head out the window.

waveewer, u r 1 brave soul!!!!!!!!!! We used 2 let our golden ride in the back of our truck. But I was'nt even born yet. When people decide 2 transport there dog in the bed, they're automatically assuming responsibility 4 there actions. I think that u SHOULD securley tie ur pooch.

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Originally posted by applesmom1:
That's true of course! "something terrible could always happen no matter what precautions you take". Common sense must always prevail.

Would you tie your best friend to the truck bed with a collar around their neck and assume they'd be safe?

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I'm sorry but there's a difference between a person and an animal. And yes I do love animals and own 7 but there is a difference

Oh and i do let all of my dogs ride in the truck bed.

i agree with cheyenne. but i also think that there are WAY to many irresponsible pet owners out there. sometimes i think that people just think "if he jumps out once he'll have learned his lesson and won't do it again". it only takes once and he might be dead. i saw some guy driving FAST and furious the other day with a GSD in the bed of his truck. the dog had obviously not ridden in the back of a truck that many times cause he was very shakey and kept losing his balance. there were several times i just knew he was either going to jump out or fall out. it was very scary and made me very angry. some dogs just seem to know to lay or sit down in the back and others just freak out and don't know what to do.
it's terrifying to me when i see a dog that is not crated in the back of a truck. what if another car hits the truck? what happens to the dog???

"I'm sorry but there's a difference between a person and an animal. And yes I do love animals and own 7 but there is a difference."

So you think it's necessary to protect a human whenever possible, but a dog is "just an animal"? Therefore it doesn't matter if an animal gets hurt or killed in a situation that could have been avoided by the simple use of common sense?

Psychologists and sociologists tell us that the leap from inconsideration of animal life to inconsideration of human life is very small indeed. A kid that is blatantly cruel to animals needs intervention lest he targets people some day.

We need to learn from our Native Americans. They respected all life equally, wether animal or human. Murder was not a common place event amongst most tribes. We can learn from this.

I wonder how the guys that were scalped and dismembered would feel about that statement.

I have Crow blood in my veins. I believe they were dog eaters

Your continued show of expertise in a variety of subjects is a never ending source of delight to me.

You still haven't given me any feedback on my question concerning Bloom's Taxonomy.

Thank you for your compliment about my having expertise. It's unexpected but a nice thing to say.

I believe it is just as important to secure your dog inside the truck also. I have a booster seat that has a clip for my dog's harness so she stays secure but can still see out the window. If you let the dog hang out the window they can still fall out.

My mother was following a car with a sheep dog hanging out the passenger window. When they went arround a curve and she said the dog just fell right out. The dog was OK but the driver acted like it happened all the time.

I also don't like seeing people ride with a dog in their lap. Think what could happen if there is an accident. with airbags that dog could be crushed.

Please protect your pets. You have to wear a seltbelt make them do it to.

What is the difference if your dog is in the bed of a truck or loose in the car with his head out the window? I don't see one. Both can be injured or killed.

I Have seem some people tie their dog with two leads one on each side of the truck but yet the dog still had room to move about just not over the side. Not a bad idea if you have to put your dog back there.

I also don't see how a crate could save the dog any better? Maybe I am stupid but a crate can go out the window just as easy as a dog and out of the truck bed just as easy. I can't say that I agree with people who drive with their dogs in their laps that is for sure. I guess I am at a toss up which would really be better crate or no crate. I drive a full size van and chewy is not tied or crated. I tend to let him be so he can do and go where he needs to be comphy for his hips. He doesn't hang out the window at all. I won't allow it no matter how much he may like it. Maybe some of you could offer more on the two because I just can't see the difference. I deffinatly say in the bed a dog needs to be in a crate or tied properly so the dog can't fall or jump out. I also think maybe that crate in the truck bed needs to be tied down. I gues that would make a difference for the dog in the truck but not in a car unless you tied it down.

well maybe I am stupid I don't know but I don't get it.

chewys mom

Of course if you have a crate in the bed of your truck you need to tie it down. An untied crate will slide about.

Same with a crate in your car, it needs to be secured. The crate shouldn't be on a seat either but in the back or on the floor in front of the seats.

Okay what about chewy. He has bad hips and keeping him in one spot can be hard on him. The crate thing I just can't make myself do it. For my dog that would seem cruel he has never been in one I don't think and I have never put him in one. I don't even own one. I am not sure what to do still drive him without anything or what? I dont want his hips bothering him and remember he is a big dog. Rotti. What if I just tied him in the van in the middle but keep it so he can move but not be thrown out of the van if were to ever be in an accident? What do you all think about that idea??????????

My kids and I have talked about it but his hips have kept me from doing it.

thanks again all
chewys mom

chewysmom, if you get a crate/carrier that is the proper size for your particular dog he shouldn't be uncomfortable in it. even if it's only for car/truck rides. i think it's much safer than leaving them loose. if you were in a wreck and he's tied up he could possibly get strangled. if you're in a wreck and he's loose he could get tossed around in the car maybe even thrown from it. if he's in a crate/carrier chances are he won't be seriously hurt. he might get a little shaken up but that's probably it. i think, when used properly crates can be a wonderful thing.

Chewysmom, I had a van and had to slam on my brakes to avoid an accident. The van fishtailed and Howdy's crate (a vari kennel) rolled from the back of the van and slammed into the seat. Even though he weighed 85 pounds, Howdy was unhurt. If he had been loose he could have been seriously injured or killed.

A brief time in a crate for transportation purposes only would likely be much less painful for Chewy than being slammed into a seat while unprotected.

I agree that he needs to be protected but I am concerned about his mental well being by being in a crate. He didn't have the best of starts in life from what I have been told yet the person I got him from was better than he had, he didn't get to be inside as much. In a crate he can't even look out the window which he loves to do. I know his safty first not just what chewy wants. I really beleive that being in a crate will hurt him emotionally. He is very sensitive about things. He won't even eat his food if noone is home. He hates being away from us. If I am in a room and I have the baby gate up and he can't get to me he just sits there looking like I just proved I hate him and he whines and barks nonstop. When I first left him alone the first time at home he howled the whole time and gradually he got better about it. I thought about getting one and just leaving it in the house for him to get use to and go into on his own but I don't think he will. He acts like he doesn't like tight spaces. I heard a story that he was at a puppy farm but I am not sure. It is very possible just because his grandfather is a world champion and he came out with white on his chest and not show quality teeth. I have also seem a few other flaws here and there that he wouldn't have a chance in the shows maybe some local not so seriouse show but not the akc or anything. I heard he was imported from germany as well. so see I am not sure about him and I am not so convinced he would be okay in a crate for any amount of time. When I think back to when I got him I think he was in a crate when they met me to bring him to me and he was the sadest thing I have seen in real life since a long time anyway. He was really a mess. Scared of everything and I found out at that time he had only been in a car to go to the vets and back and that was it. I got him when he was 8 months old. So I am not just trying to make excuses or wanting to spoil him to that point I am seriously worried about the crate idea with him. I have kept looking in pet stores for something that might work but nothing seems to make me think that he would be okay as far as his hips go and the crate well I just explained that. my son wanted to put him in the seat and just stick a seat belt on him. So we have been thinking about it.

any ideas?

thanks for everyone
chewysmom

chewysmom2005 You say you grew up with rotties, you're experienced with the Rottweiler as a breed
and your mom is a breeder. You have much more knowledge than the average owner about the rotties temperament and what Chewy's strengths and weaknesses are.

Here's a suggestion; Imagine yourself getting a phone call from a stranger giving you all the information you have about Chewy and asking for your advice. What would your response be, particularly regarding his insecurities, crate training and the barking he does when he's behind the gate?

I have a hunch that somewhere during the course of the conversation instead of feeling sorry for Chewy you would be tempted to say;
"look this is a Rottweiler a big dog with a tough constitution; sure he's got problems but many of these problems could by solved with a little training and redirection."

You're the only one that really and truly knows Chewy. If he really can't take correction and re-direction, you'll have to continue to live with it and the consequeces it brings as you've been doing. However if you're making excuses for him because you feel sorry for things that happened in his past, you need to face that too.

To allow him to continue to bark and whine simply because there is a gate between you is only adding to his emotional turmoil... Something no dog needs!

Wouldn't it be more kind to work toward putting an end to his total dependency rather than allow it to contine and even grow?

From the outside looking in; it seems that you're making excuses and letting pity overrule what in your heart you know is best for the dog and as a result you're encouraging his dependency.

Ask the people that know you and Chewy, especially other rottie owners, if they think you're over protective or simply being reasonable.
I have a feeling they'll be more than willing to tell you what they think.

As far as him not eating when you're gone; does it really make a difference, especially since he free feeds? Most dogs only eat when their owners are home; because that's when they're normally fed. Try leaving his food within his reach up on the counter while you're gone. I'll bet he'll eat some then!

Whatever you do I wish you the best, Chewy couldn't have found a more caring home.

Apples mom

You are correct in what you said. First I don't have anyone around me anymore that knows about dogs. Not to the ppoint I can find here. As for barking and stuff I do not worry about that. It doesn't really bother me. If he has to be on one side of the gate then he has to. He barks and on occasion will eventually settle down depending on how long he is there. Yes I do feel sorry for him. I do try to reasure him and get him to settle down when he is on the other side of the gate but it is not often that he is away from me like that. I have boys and they are messy so when they have stuff all over I put the gate up so chewy can't get to the mess. I don't want him to eat something that can hurt him. I guess because I know the breed so well some things don't bother me and I can deal with it because I know the things that cause him to be aggressive and such that I concintrate on those things right now with his training. I want him to be social and stuff. I know that if I put some things off until later that it will be harder to teach him but I am willing to do that.

As someone calling me you are right my answers would be different because as you know the dog has bad behavior and most likely end up on the street or in a shelter.

I stand a better chance of getting answers that are true here than I do from anyone I know around here. I have found that some interesting topics come up and it gets me thinking more about other areas of chewy and his safty.

As for training dogs I have not heard every problem known to man and mostly dealt with people who brought there dog in to be trained and had destructive issues to deal with. I also sadly dealt with people who just down right stupid and no matter what you tell them they would not listen yet wanted to know why their dog was doing certain things.

I know people here are fostering dogs and have done so for a long time now and I know you can give me answers to some things on how to deal with an emtionally hurt dog because you deal with it all the time. I am not too familular with that side of training and such. From what I have read a emtionally messed up dog has to be treated with care when diciplining and sometimes traditional ways don't work with dogs like that. So I am just trying to do what is best for chewy and sort this out. I don't know for sure the life he really had but I can tell you this it wasn't the best. He had allot of problems when I got him and slowly I have been working on them one by one and in order of importance.

I hope this explains why I am here and now you understand more that I have noone around here. I just don't want to do something more tramatizing for chewy. I take little things and work him with it but big things I don't want to do the wrong thing.

thanks
chewysmom

chewysmom2005, I'm grateful you took my post in the spirit in which it was meant.

None of us has all the answers. Our canine friends seem to come up with new challenges all the time and training methods continue to evolve.
What doesn't work for one may work for another.


A very long time ago I was given possibly the best advice ever. "If you want to properly train a dog, you have to learn to think like a dog!" Another bit of advice was to learn canine body language. A tip that has helped me out more than once in what otherwise could have been extremely difficult and even dangerous situations.

With the amount of time you're spending with Chewy and as much as you care about him, you'll work it all out eventually.

BTW I've known many people with rotties and as far as I know, they simply learn to live with the chewing but do manage to direct it to something permissable such as doghouses. I wonder if any research has been done into why they are so bent on destruction, particularly walls and wood.

Perhaps a rottie discussion board would have the answers to that one...