well, I mean I know all that I was just wondering why so sensitive about it

well I've gone against all my beliefs. I got a new puppy a lab/britney mix

We decided to name him Spike( not very original but he looks like a Spike) he's 8 weeks old and white with some black. I'd rather have a APBT or amstaff but he's cute and loving. The only problem is his attention span is 0 but I'm still going to try and get his CGC if he can do it.

Congrats! You finally got a puppy, I'm very happy for you!

I'm sure that once he gets a little older he'll be sure to get CGC certified.

yea he wouldn't of been my first pick, but atleast when I get kicked out I can have a dog and a roof over my head.

I'm gona sign up for classes at petsmart, so when ever he can do them we'll start.

we're still thinking of names its between Black Jack and Spike

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Originally posted by badkittyamy:
Because getting the ears done costs money for the procedure and the vet visit. Also many people don't want the ears cropped and unlike docking can be done at a later time so it seems normal that they wouldn't do the ears themselves.

When a breeder has the ears done the buyer pays for it. Maybe they don’t want to take care of the pup longer? That’s the only reason I can think.

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Originally posted by pitt-man:
you're lucky I wish I could have that many, but it seems like the only way you can own a pit bull and live somewhere is if you buy a place and even then you gotta worry about insurance and stupid laws. I just hope these fools grow up or move on to another breed( I don't condone dog fighting but I wana be able to own a pit bull in peace). I've been trying to get one for like a year now already picked out a name and everything, but my mom keeps telling me to wait.

There are about 20 breeds now banned. Even rare breeds have been banned and some that are not normally seen as aggressive. Breeds like Akbash, Malinois or Boerboel, those dogs haven’t been involved in a large number of attacks or used in organized fights but they are still banned. Politicians and scared people help these bans get through. Many breeds are their target. PETA is also a problem helping push legislation through. Dog fighting is the least of the problems for the APBT. Yes it is a problem, people do still select them for fighting but the main problem is man aggressive dogs and those killing children. Dog fighting cast a dark shadow on the breed, where they are viewed as fighting dogs and not for what good qualities they have. This however is far less damaging then the dogs attacking people and killing their owners children. These negligent owners don’t do anything about their dogs, sometimes I’m shocked how they do nothing to protect their own children. If this boys dog ever actually lays a serious bite on him what do you think will happen? The parents will say the dog never did anything like that before. The boy will just say she just attacked me when we were playing. Some people should not own dogs.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YSSsr-IcKso

I agree on the bulldogs. #1 breed with hip dysplasia (almost 3/4 tested have been dysplastic) that is among other health problems. They are bred to not function well, usually not able to breed unassisted or give birth without c section. It shows what people will sacrifice to get what they want instead of breeding to what healthy and natural.

There are some insurance companies who don’t discriminate by breed. Finding somewhere to live? Most BSL is for city/town (rarely do they ban them in a county but it has happened) so if you live outside city limits a lot of time the ban won’t apply to you.

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Originally posted by doglover1234567:
yes im very lucky cause in some places that i live you cant own that many dogs!!! but see all the pits dont live with me they live with my mom and me so thats why i have so many!! i dont know why people give pits bad names,they are very sweet and strong,it really depinds all on how you act and treat the pit bull!! we dont do pit fights eather i think that is just plain dumb!!! one of my dog his name is hector he is a show dog,he one 1 place in best in show and 2 in weight pulling,he also know a bunch of command in german!! the only reson we i have him is because the people that had him befor us treated him very bad!!!!!

They get bad name like any other breed, irresponsible owners and bad breeders. The media gives them a bad name because it sells well, people often want to hear about bad news, shocking news, ect. Its more exciting.
I remember what it was like to only have 7 dogs. I too love show and compete; it is fun for the dogs and a great way to meet people. What bloodlines do you have?

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Originally posted by pitt-man:
I remember after I brought my pit home alot of people were asking if I wanted to fight her and I told them I really could never do that.

I was going to do weight pull but its hard to find a true pit bull breeder, so I was thinking about obedience but I read up on it and it sounded kind of hard atleast without professional help. Why did you teach your dogs german commands if they aren't law dogs?

What does finding a true Pit Bull breeder have to do with weight pull? You can weight pull just about any dog (that’s willing and you put the effort in to train of course) a purebred or a mutt. Don’t give up if you really want to do it.

If you are having trouble finding a true APBT breeder you are looking the wrong place. They are hard to find if you don’t already know some people. Have you checked out any shows local to you? That’s a good place to start. The internet is filled with 1000s bybs and only a few good breeders. Some good breeders don’t even have website.
Once its decided what you really want in your pet and what bloodline will work best, you can then find a breeder who has what you want because you know what you want.

German isn’t reserved for police dogs. K9 officers are trained in German, Dutch, ect because they are imported from real working breeders of those other countries or they are trained here in those languages as a tradition. I train my dogs in a few different languages. None of the common things like German, Dutch, Spanish because those are widely used. I knew one weight pull dog with an Indian name and was trained in some Indian language. Once I had one of my dogs out on a walk. She was obedient and trained, but when someone was telling her to sit she just stood there. For 1 it isn’t their dog, she is heeling by me and isn’t going to listen to someone she’s only known for 2 mins. Secondly the dog isn’t trained in English commands and has no idea what this lady is saying.

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Originally posted by pitt-man:
does anyone know why some people get mad if you call an american pit bull terrier a pit bull. I know why amstaff owners/breeders say APBTs and amstaffs are diffrent because of the negative image APBTs get, but the whole APBT pit bull thing seems dumb to me.

The reason people call their dogs APBT is because that is what they are. Pit Bull has been turned into a derogatory term over the years. My dogs are APBTs or bulldogs not “pit bull”. The media uses the term pit bull for dogs that attack people, even if the breed isn’t really an APBT/AST they still call it a pit bull attack. That term now seems to be synonymous with powerful short haired dog that attacks. So this is why some people feel calling their dog pit bull just doesn’t fit anymore. A lot of people don’t know the pit bull breeds –just pit bull- and others think they are not a purebred dog, that pit bull is just a term for a strong fighting dog. So that is why I chose to be specific in what my dogs are.

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Originally posted by angeeleeta:
Pit bull is said to be just a type of dog, where as American Pit Bull Terrier is the breed recognized by the UKC. The UKC recognized the APBT in 1898.

AmStaffs are a different breed, and recognized by the AKC only. The AKC didn't want to call them "pit bull" because of the negative association of pit fighting that came with it. They recognized the breed in 1936.

Some AKC-registered American Staffordshire Terriers are dual-registered as American Pit Bull Terriers with the UKC; however, this draws criticism from many who point out that the bloodlines have been separate for too long for these to be considered the same breed. The AKC, on the other hand, does not allow a UKC-registered American Pit Bull Terrier to be registered as an American Staffordshire Terrier. To be dual-registered, the dog must first be an AKC-registered American Staffordshire Terrier and then it can be registered with the UKC as an APBT -- but not vice versa...

Pit Bull is a term used to group together the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

The AST was AKC recognized in 1935 although they were called the Staffordshire Terrier (this was after the recognition of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier in England). The 1st APBT (Wheeler’s Black Dinah) was registered was the AKC in 1936, in 1972 they changed the name from Staffordshire Terrier to American Staffordshire Terrier.

The AST isn’t a different breed entirely, it is genetically the same breed as the APBT as no other breeds have been introduced into the gene pool. It is a very different type, just as a field Springer is different then a show Springer, a working European GSD is different then a showline American GSD, a European Boxer and an American Boxer too very different types. They look and act different. As is true with the AST and APBT. Had it not been for the choice of a different name people probably wouldn’t call them a different breed, they’d only call them totally different types like with other breeds.

When first recognized the dual registered dogs were all fighting stock and some still continued to be used for that. Petey of the Lil Rascals was sired by a famous fighting dog of APBT history but he was AKC registered. The AKC held conformation shows so of course dogs started to be bred for show. The UKC held matches so dogs were still used for fighting and that is what began the separation of type. After some generations in AKC the dogs were bred for looks and the dogs in the UKC were still bred for fighting. The AKC CH AST were show champions and the UKC CH APBT were fighting champions.

Now days as you mentioned you can dual reg. in UKC. There are several lines that are mostly AST blood. Most UKC dogs are not all that different anymore from the AST because they are so heavily bred AST yet they are reg. and called APBT. I can’t over generalize because there are some real APBT that are also registered or dual registered with the UKC. The UKC ring can be very inconsistent depending on the judge. They put up what they like, staff type, over done pit or correct pit type. If you have an AST judge no doubt the AST type dogs win. As well judges chose from what they are presented. If more APBT people reg. and showed in UKC then you’d probably see more APBT type winning. Now it will again depend on the judge, but if more judges were presented with APBT to chose many would chose them, there are several judges who feel this way.

The reason that you can dual register with UKC and not AKC is the same reason as with any other breed. UKC accepts registration from other legit kennel clubs for dual register. If you have proof of registration and pedigree then you can register with the UKC. APBTs must also undergo inspection to be accepted for UKC. In AKC this isn’t possible, with any breed. You can’t take a UKC Boston Terrier and dual reg. with the AKC. The only way to have an AKC reg. dog is if both parents are registered with AKC. The only exception is dogs of foreign registry which are imported. They too much be of a recognized kennel through FCI, otherwise good luck trying to get AKC to reg. the dog.

Woah there, you are a typing fool!

Haha - that's what I was thinking!

I had to stop half way through..

you know at the time I didn't realize or even care, but I had my pit and had taken her to the lake with my grandma's dog. We were there for barely a little while and some lady had come up and petted her and said "oh, is that a boxer puppy?" I had said no shes a pit bull. I think she kind of stepped back and didn't let her kid near her. At the time I didn't know the real extent of how bad of a rep they had but it shows how screwed up a country we are with all the hype we believe and how quick we are to judge.

its sad how missunderstood the "tough and bully" breeds are. I remember when I turned 5 years old my parents bought me a purebred APBT. that was the best dog. every since then all I've had was the bully and tough breeds. I love them! they are the best. congrats on your new puppy pitt-man! =] I just got a puppy myself, a female rottweiler. she's a sweetie. she's the newest in my doggie family. I have 2 APBTs, and 2 Rotties(including her) ya gotta love the breeds! people look at me funny because I'm a 23 year old blonde chick and have these 4 dogs. I love the breeds and know how to handle them so I dont care what people think. I understand them, even though they may not. we are the type of people who care for the breed and want to show the true APBT, rottie, dogo, mastiff or whatever is on the ban list! I just wish people could be open and see them for who they really are. as the TRUE breed, not as the street fighting dogs that cause choas on the news.

Some will say I'm a fool but thats ok.

It was long, lots of typing. I hadn't been on the forum in awhile so I responded to a few different post. Ones from different people so they can get my views or opinion on what they said. No one poster has to/needs to read the whole thing.

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Originally posted by last_molosser:
Some will say I'm a fool but thats ok.

It was long, lots of typing. I hadn't been on the forum in awhile so I responded to a few different post. Ones from different people so they can get my views or opinion on what they said. No one poster has to/needs to read the whole thing.

Allow me to clarify, as I didn't mean fool in the terms of "foolishness" rather one with a marked propensity or fondness for something <a dancing fool> <a fool for candy>.

Literal translations can be a b*tch sometimes.

now I dont believe in god or anything but I ran across this poem and it sounded nice plus it gave me a little chill down my back.

I found it on a bulldog website but I think it goes for most dogs.

http://www.bulldoguniverse.net/thorburnpoem.html

Kobalt, shows what the general public wants to see. Ablepaws, shows Staffs. Those are breed for color only. York Kennels, is APBT straight up, coloring & all. I own one the same with coloring they show. This breed is more challenging then let on & what you read about them. They are mixed with Blue, common cow-patched markings. Harder to deal with when training. Beware, tend to snap. Do your reading well, research, talk to us who own & have certain breed-lines of APBT'S first.

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Originally posted by missybee16:
Kobalt, shows what the general public wants to see. Ablepaws, shows Staffs. Those are breed for color only. York Kennels, is APBT straight up, coloring & all. I own one the same with coloring they show. This breed is more challenging then let on & what you read about them. They are mixed with Blue, common cow-patched markings. Harder to deal with when training. Beware, tend to snap. Do your reading well, research, talk to us who own & have certain breed-lines of APBT'S first.

I find your post a bit confusing.

York is APBT straight up? Coloring and all. York has a variety of colors. Blue, black, brindle, champange, ect color doesn't make a dog a AST or an APBT. Ginny has had AST since the start. Color or markings has nothing to do with it.

Blue Bandit was AKC registered and sired by an AKC CH.

Romeo (who I'd have to say is my favorite) is a son of Blue Bandit bred to another AST female.

Ruffian Gator was sired by Blue Bandit's brother and his dam was also a Ruffian/Tryarr dog who'd sire was AKC CH Diamondback Redbolt

Essentially all of hers are heavy AST down from tight Ruffian breeding. There isn't one dog that isn't AST blood, several York dogs are dual reg AKC/UKC.

You have the same coloring as what. Pie bald pattern/markings? APBTs can be many different colors and other breeds can be pie bald. This doesn't have to do with not being staff. There are plenty of solid colored APBTs or only those with a small amount of white on the chest.

"mixed with blue" blue is just a color. Good breeders won't breed for color and breeding dogs of different colors isn't mixing.

Some books and authors do a good job of preparing new owners. Talking to people will get you the same thing. Varied responses, opinions and experiences.

They don't tend to snap. Dogs with bad temperaments are not typical but do happen. I've only found a few which were challenging to train (kind of stubborn) most are very willing to please and pick up on what you want them to do quickly. (Mine train for weight pull, agility/obstacles, herding and other work).

I have several dogs that are also "APBTs straight up" as you put it meaning they are not AST and don't have any AST in the pedigree what so ever. Unlike the ones with York.

last_molosser; Straight up is just a term meaning they are truely of APBT blood-lines. I do know APBT come in many different colors. As, I have owned many over the years of all colorings. I was refering to what coloring York shows on their front web page. Yes, 'pie balb' is correct, but most will not know what that means. So, we say 'cow patch markings' to eliminate confussion. Blue might be just a color, but most breed for this coloring now because they make for heavier boned larger headed dogs, (Razor's Edge). Which is most popular with the younger generation of now a days. I dont go by who breed the dog or blood-lines, because I only adopt my dogs. I dont believe in buying a pup or dog, too many dying in shelters daily. I train for narcotics, disarming of weapons, & search with my dogs. I use them in variable fields common when training with an officer. There's no sense in weight pulling except to see who's dog is strongest.

Blue does NOT make for heavier dogs at all. Blue dogs have simply been bred heavier by byb. There is a big difference there. nothing about the colour blue influences genes to make a dog larger. People thing blue is 'rare and special' and so fad breeders like razor's edge breed their giant hippos blue.

It's like saying rednose apbt's are somehow different genetically than the rest of them. It's all just colour and the fad's behind those colours. Yes it will be harder to find a blue dog that is conformationally correct. Why is that? because blue IS a rare colour and so unless you breed for it you don't see it too much. Fawn is more the usual.

So when you have people that breed for "blue" you are usually a byb and thus these dogs usually like ALL of their dogs look like hippos aka the american bully

I think most people know what pie bald is.

I read somewhere that blue was introduced to APBTs by crossing with ASTs but since they do are basically the same breed I think blues were culled and is why you dont see pictures of blues. but color has no effect on the size.

weight pull for most people isnt about whos dog is the strongest, it is for fun and the dogs like it, now whether its because they want to please or generally like it who knows? but its something people can do with pulling breeds (malamutes, swiss mountain dog, etc)

and like someone said on another post, when they change some of the adoption process I'll feel more comfortable, and you never know about the dogs past or possible health problems or anything

pitt-man; When I adopt, I am allowed to know where & who the dog came from. All you need to do is ask questions. And, all my dogs have come from breeders who have turned their dogs in just because of a flaw. What do you call those people who do such things, human. I speak up for all the voices that can not for themselves! You write here as though, you know so much. Pits are one of the most hated breeds in America today by those who don't even understand their history, even being made today. When a pup or dog is turned in by a breeder, that shows me they have no heart & the dog meant nothing but a loss to them. That's my gain when I adopt. And last, only breeders & most owners of this breed, would know what certain said colors would be. It's not really a big to do when most than some, want them for different reasons other than just color.