badkittyamy; If you read what I wrote, I was refering to Razor's Edge-line. And, that is what they look for today, thinking that is the norm for this breed. Most are ill-informed.

How was I supposed to know your reference to blue was an implication towards re? You put it in () like an example the grammar you used and the sentence structure makes it look like you are saying blue itself lends to bigger dogs.

RE does not breed apbt they breed american bullies which i'm pretty sure it says on their website. Ugly hippos they are they are better than gotti Uggghhhhh so nasty.

I actually found who is ( or family is) THE most reputable breeder/bloodline in the world.

http://www.colbypitbull.com/

badkittyamy I think that is the same issue I'm having with the rest of the posting. The grammar and sentence structure makes it hard to understand. I'd have to agree most RE dogs looks better then most Gotti dogs. There are also the tradition RE dogs which are not overdone.

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Originally posted by missybee16:
last_molosser; Straight up is just a term meaning they are truely of APBT blood-lines. I do know APBT come in many different colors. As, I have owned many over the years of all colorings. I was refering to what coloring York shows on their front web page. Yes, 'pie balb' is correct, but most will not know what that means. So, we say 'cow patch markings' to eliminate confussion. Blue might be just a color, but most breed for this coloring now because they make for heavier boned larger headed dogs, (Razor's Edge). Which is most popular with the younger generation of now a days. I dont go by who breed the dog or blood-lines, because I only adopt my dogs. I dont believe in buying a pup or dog, too many dying in shelters daily. I train for narcotics, disarming of weapons, & search with my dogs. I use them in variable fields common when training with an officer. There's no sense in weight pulling except to see who's dog is strongest.

If straight up means "truly APBT bloodlines" then that shouldn't include York which is "straight up AST lines".

Who said anything about Piebald not being correct? I just had a Piebald finish, and as far as her dogs Romeo is a CH and Blue Bandit is a GR CH wasn't questioning it being correct. I didn't understand the "blue mixed with cow patched" thats what confused me. Thats also why I asked if thats what you meant, Piebald or not.

There are plenty of York dogs which badly bred. Heavy boned, bad fronts, cow hocked, bred for color and size, ect. Blue is the new in thing, but coloring doesn't dictate anything. Its what the people who have those dogs chose to do. Thats what I meant and pretty sure thats what the others meant too.

I don't think that you should be harsh to pitt-man they are not being a "know it all" they are simply discussing the APBT, different breeders and trying to learn more. You seem to act as if you are "better" then them when they were only making conversation you tried to belittle them it seemed.
Yet you post things like

"Those are breed for color only. York Kennels, is APBT straight up, coloring & all."

"This breed is more challenging then let on & what you read about them."

"Harder to deal with when training. Beware, tend to snap."

"And last, only breeders & most owners of this breed, would know what certain said colors would be. It's not really a big to do when most than some, want them for different reasons other than just color."

What does this mean? The said colors would be what they are. I agree that people should want them based on something other then color (I think picking on color is a common mistake people make). Color isn't a good basis of choice.

I think its great that you adopt and even give them jobs, it shows that they can be great dogs. Perhaps dealing with rescue dogs you have come across bad temperaments, which only makes sense, but typically they don't tend to snap and are not hard to train. Everyone has different experiences that we speak from. In general the APBT should be of stable temperament, it is a breed trait for them to be people friendly and willing to please. Some byb dogs don't fit the criteria and others have been poorly raised, this shouldn't reflect on them as a whole. Most books are written with the idea of the correct Pit in mind. So that is something to consider.

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Originally posted by pitt-man:
I read somewhere that blue was introduced to APBTs by crossing with ASTs but since they do are basically the same breed I think blues were culled and is why you dont see pictures of blues. but color has no effect on the size.

That is pretty much true, blue dogs were often culled by old timers. As they were thought inferior. Blue occuring natural doesn't happen often and the color wasn't common since people were not trying to isolate that gene. A lot of people say that about the crossing but AST came from APBT which means that APBT would likely have those genes. I have seen a few real APBTs which were blue or had a blue cast (like a bluies) but these are few and far between. A couple of these were from Eli strains which makes sense to me with the dilution of the black. I think it probably stems from the fact that most blue dogs have many AST in the pedigree and lines known for regularly producing blue dogs are lines based on AST like Watchdog, York, Razor Edge, Gotti, Greyline, ect.

The Colby family has bred APBTs for generations so that does make them probably the most well known as Colby dogs are behind well most any APBT out there but I wouldn't say he is the most reputable breeder.

I also heard that the blue coloring came from a genetic fault from possibly inbreeding

That is interesting. I think one thing to remember is that the Blue Paul Terrier is said to have been one of the dogs used within pit dog breeding programs, which was a predominately blue colored breed.

I wouldn't say that inbreeding causes the dilution exactly. Because many lines of APBTs are very heavily inbred yet don't exhibit the color.

I do think that as more inbreeding is done within the lines (certain lines) you might see more natural occurrence. The APBT lines with the predominately black dogs are a few of the ones which have thrown some gray and bluish colored dogs. (Boudreaux, Alligator and Chinaman is what I have noted so far) Another thing I've noticed is these dogs are often still registered as BLACK, even some of the seal colored dogs are just simply registered as black too.

Hi everyone! I guess I should start out by saying I am new to this site. My husband and I LOVE all 3 of the "pit bull" breeds, especially APBTs. We are "pit bull" advocates, we have dedicated much of our lives to learning all there is to learn about these amazing dogs, helping to educated others on "pit bulls", and helping to show others, through our dogs, just how wonderful these dogs truly are when in the hands of responsible owners. We currently own 3 APBTs that we love as if they were our children, and we are in the process of starting our kennel. Well, I guess technically we are going to start a kennel, but I like to just say we will be breeding. We are not going to do the puppy-mill kind of thing and breed dogs to death. I am absolutely against that! There are too many poorly bred puppies/dogs these days! We will be raising our litters in our home with the same love and care we give our dogs now. It is going to be a while before we start breeding though as we still have quite a bit to learn about first. I should probably also say that we are not interested in breeding for the money, we are going to be breeding for quality. I want to breed because I love the APBT breed and I want to breed well bred APBTs that will be wonderful representatives of the breed. We couldn't care less about the money, we have jobs already.

So, with that being said, I have not read through this whole thread yet, so I'm sorry if this has already been said. I googled something about APBT colors and this was brought up. I noticed what missybee16 said about RE...

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Originally posted by missybee16:
last_molosser; Straight up is just a term meaning they are truely of APBT blood-lines. I do know APBT come in many different colors. As, I have owned many over the years of all colorings. I was refering to what coloring York shows on their front web page. Yes, 'pie balb' is correct, but most will not know what that means. So, we say 'cow patch markings' to eliminate confussion. Blue might be just a color, but most breed for this coloring now because they make for heavier boned larger headed dogs, (Razor's Edge). Which is most popular with the younger generation of now a days. I dont go by who breed the dog or blood-lines, because I only adopt my dogs. I dont believe in buying a pup or dog, too many dying in shelters daily. I train for narcotics, disarming of weapons, & search with my dogs. I use them in variable fields common when training with an officer. There's no sense in weight pulling except to see who's dog is strongest.

I just wanted to say that it is very true that some people are breeding for colors these days, but I personally believe that is not what people should be breeding for. The APBT was bred for performance, not looks. True lovers of this breed know that the color is the least important thing. It is so aggravating to me when people only buy a dog based on color, and when people think that their APBT is rare, special or somehow different than other colors of APBT simply because it's blue or a red nose, etc. I'm sure everyone has a favorite color, but I would never ever pick a dog based on color at all. Just my opinion though.

Also, the color of an APBT has absolutely nothing to do with it's size. I know that you did not mean that blues are larger, I'm sure you were talking about the RE bloodline normally producing larger dogs. But the way you worded your post did sound like you were saying blue APBTs are larger.

Anyway, I guess that's all I have to say for now! lol!

I've been looking for game looking pit bulls but there is none I can find. I found 1 but they're in B.C. and wont ship so that was marked off but now I just feel myself thinking whatever i find as long as they look nice I'll take em

I wouldn't recommend shipping. There's so many things that can go wrong with that. And if you got the dog what if you're just not fitted to each other?

But if you can't find the pit bull you want right now, then why get one? Right now, I mean. Getting a dog just because you can't find any other doesn't always turn out great.

well I've been looking at other breeds but find myself attracted to real dominate breeds (neos, corsos, etc) and I'm pretty laid back for the most part. but I did find 1 here in Texas even tho they're a little more expensive then some of the others I've seen

http://www.drawthelinekennels.com/home.htm

They're not good. Not at all. They said something about picking puppies up at six weeks of age. That's illegal. And puppies should stay with their mother and littermates until twelve weeks of age. That's just the first thing I saw while looking at their site and it made me flinch.

Also, they have a lot of dogs! Being a good breeder, all of them should live in the house. I hope they have a big house! Overall, they give little information and seemed more concerned with telling about how much their dogs weigh.

My suggestion is to not get a puppy from a breeder. Rescue a Pit Bull. You'll get the perfect dog for you and you won't have to pay an arm and a leg. And the dog you get hopefully won't have behavior problems because he was taken away at six weeks of age.

my problem with adoption is their policies and you never know where the dog came from or the medical problems it could have, all that stuff otherwise no real problem i can think of.

All the breeders everyone says are good are all out of state and to far to drive.

http://www.yorkkennels.com/

http://www.gaffkennels.net/

http://www.storytimekennel.com/

1 I found-http://www.hillboyamstafffarm.com/index.html

NEOS-
http://www.whisperingoaks.net/

Draw The Line Kennel kinda scared me. I'm not a huge Pitbull fan to begin with, but I've seen many beautiful ones. That website didn't even try to make them look like good family pets. The ears were cropped to make them look like fighting dogs and many had enormous chains hangin off of them. Even their posture looked like they were ready to fight. York Kennel had much friendlier looking dogs. (Not saying that Draw The Line Kennel has mean dogs, but it looks as though they're trying to attract the "fighting" crowd.) And I don't believe that I saw anything about temperment. Everything was pointing toward weight pulling ability and size.

Adoption policies shouldn't be a problem. Unless you're doing something really wrong. If you want a dog with a background, then say that's specifically what you want. Not all will have unknown backgrounds. As for medical problems, any dogs they have out for adoption should be healthy at the time of adoption. So in ten years or so, who knows what problems might come up, but they won't adopt out a dog with major health issues.

If all good breeders are out of state, then you'll have to go out of state. As shaiya1 said, some of those sites made their dogs look tough. With this breed, you don't want someone who is going to have their dogs look like these lean, mean, fighting machines.

I suggest you go with a rescue organization, then you won't have to go out of state, pay a fortune for a puppy, spend time looking for a good breeder, or have to raise a puppy. But if you are adamant about going with a breeder do a lot of research and go with a responsible one.

Check out both these sites.
http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_ethics.html
http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Fair/1901/chart.html

I dont think whether or not the dogs' ears are cropped makes them mean or look mean. I plan on getting mine's ears cropped unless they have nice ears. But adopting 1 wouldn't work simply because I am a male and a minor so dingdingding that makes me suseptable(sp) to be a dog fighter.

heres 1 I found in BC-http://www.cdpits.com/

sorry here are those links

http://www.cdpits.com/cgi-bin/itsmy/go.exe?page=2&domain=1&webdir=cdpitskennel

http://www.hillboyamstafffarm.com/males.html

No, being a minor and a guy does not mean people are going to believe you are going to go out and start abusing Pit bulls. People who want to use pit bulls to fight don't rescue them, they breed them. On top of that, no good rescue organization would give a pit bull to someone who plans to use it for fighting. They go check out your house, have you meet their dogs, and like to check up on the dogs they adopt out. If you've heard that anywhere, it's not true.

Cropped ears do not make a mean dogs. It's the way they were portrayed. They stressed the weight and color. But I read nothing about temperament. Some have a lot of dogs and all live outside. A noticed on the first breeder link you showed me they had pictures of the dogs tied up with chains! Some had puppies available very frequently. All the puppies parents lived in the same place.

Typical view of pit bulls. Especially with pits, I would not get a puppy from someone who has their dogs wear spike studded collars. And you wonder why the media thinks they're so dangerous?

Please take a look at those links I posted. Most (if not all) of the breeder sites you have showed me are just not good breeders. Again, look into rescues! If you are a responsible person who knows dogs, there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to adopt one. And since you don't plan on breeding, why not go for a pit bull desperate for a home? One thing I really encourage people to do is get a dog with behavior problems if they can handle those behavior problems. A dog gets a great home where it might have otherwise been put down because there just isn't enough time to deal with them.

if i cant find 1 from a breeder i might adopt but thats a big might. i dont know why i would get a dog with problems especially a pit, I'm not a dog trainer i havent dealt with bad problems so thats a no on that

If you can't handle a problem pit, then you can't. I wasn't saying you should, I was saying that if you could.

can I ask what your reasons are for specifically wanting a puppy from a breeder?