There's nothing wrong with big strong dogs. But that's all they're being bred for. If I get a dog from a breeder I am looking for health, temperament, and breed standards. The people who do the weight pulling only want the strong dogs. That's all they're breeding for. It's just not what a responsible dog breeder does.

yeah. I've been emailing royal court amstaffs and they seem good. they've asked me alot of questions and everything plus they are willing to work with me and stuff

omg royl court has some BEAUTIFUL dogs. -drools-

yeah I like Dallas he's a beautiful dog. I'm hoping I can get a pup from him or the first blue dog on their co-owned page

Yeah, they do have some really gorgeous dogs on there. When I get a third dog I'm planning on a rottie, but there's something I really like about Amstaffs.

I met this HUGE! rottie but he was a sweetheart. I was only nervous because I was volunteered to see if he liked men or kids or something like that. I wish I could've got a pup from him but I think he died, I feel real sorry for the guy that owned him cuz his mom died and his dog's mom died(which they owned too)but if i got a rottie I would wana keep the tail even if the dock looks nice

I always like the docked rottie tail. But if I rescued one without a docked tail, it doesn't really matter.

yeah I gota see whats up with my dad and if he's koo with it then hopefully i can have a pup by like august

Who do you live with? Good dog breeders will want to meet the entire family the pup will be living with.

well right now with my mom and brother but if I get a pup soon I'll be living with just my dad.

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Originally posted by talltail:
You shouldn't get from a weight pull breeder! They breed to get big, strong dogs. And looking at those links you posted, those just aren't good breeders. Stick with people who show their dogs. They're bound to have the best.

Thats all just a matter of your opinion. Some consider working dogs to be the best, others show dogs. Most people in the know consider a dog with titles on both endsto actually be the best. Not a breeder that puts one before the other, whether it is show or work. Especially in a working breed.

The APBT is supposed to be a strong breed, continuing that and putting it to use is not wrong or bad for the breed and it certainly doesn't make someone a bad breeder. It gives some dogs an outlet they need. I'd hardly call a 35lbs dog big, or many of the other dogs out there pulling. Some are big and some are small.

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Originally posted by talltail:
There's nothing wrong with big strong dogs. But that's all they're being bred for. If I get a dog from a breeder I am looking for health, temperament, and breed standards. The people who do the weight pulling only want the strong dogs. That's all they're breeding for. It's just not what a responsible dog breeder does.

If they are only breeding for weight pull why are their dogs OFA'd and capable of producing Champions (or are champion themselves)? Why are some titled in obedience or agility too? Why are some temperament tested (or have a CGC)? A breeder weight pulling is not at all irresponsible. Some people dislike weight pull that is their right, but generalizing all breeders who pull or putting them down is wrong.

What you stated is the equivalent of saying breeders who show only care about looks. Don't go to them because that is all they breed for. (not health, not temperament and not working ability, only looks) It can go both ways.

From what I understand of pitt-mans other post is that they might want to do weight pull if I remember right. It would make more sense to go to a breeder that is pulling dogs, you have a better chance of getting a natural puller. Which means one that takes to it and one that actually enjoys it. That breeder could also help them out in training do and donts, how to properly and safely pull, ect since they are knowledgeable about it.

Some people weight pulling may be responsible. But if all they do is weight pulling, then what is to stop them from breeding just for the purpose of strength? If they want to, they can ignore breed standards and go straight for bigger and better.

When looking at the breeders who also weight pull, I wasn't impressed. They talked about how strong the puppies would be and about how 'big and tough' their dogs were. But I don't care. I don't want to hear about how big and tough they are, I want to hear about their temperament and health. That's all I care about.

pitbulls were always bred for strength breeding bigger will not create a better weight puller breeding the abpt as it is NOW creates the best weight pullers. Weight dogs are some of the best dogs around and i have never met a byb that bothered to do something responsible like compete with their dogs.

http://matrixkennels.com/
one of THE best kennels out there even if they have a really awful website (imho)

Back to the question of blue dogs.

As most of you know, I breed Great Danes. I don't really dabble in blue, because I've seen a lot of breeders (even "accredited" AKC ring Champion breeders) who produce dogs with a LOT of problems. There's a skin issue, where the dog either has a lot of allergies, a skin condition, or von Willebrands disease.

I steer clear, unless, unless it's a black dog with blue in its bloodlines.

Do blue APBT's, AmStaffs, etc, have these problems?

I think any breed with blue can have skin problems but I think its less likely that pups will have problems if the sire and dam hasn't had problems.

Matrix kennels was kind of weird the whole part about keeping the dogs with their family and if you want a pup from them you have to join them or something.

Blue is a very recessive trait. That's what leads to the problems. It's similar in rats, with the American Blue gene.

Breeding blue to blue... and then that blue to another blue... and to more blue... is what does it.

If I were every to buy a blue pup, I'd make sure that both parents were blue carriers (black, most likely).

I did make an exception with my female Dane. She's from an off-color breeding, but the parents are absolutely gorgeous, in wonderful health, great temperament, and don't have anything bad that's popped up in their lines. The father is a blue brindle and the mother was a brindle. She's a black.

There are times when I don't go with the color standard, as by breeding strickly to it in the Dane world can create dogs with a mess of problems. If she tests out okay and maintains her wonderful disposition, I'm planning to breed her to my Harlequin male.

But I'm done with Blue or Blue carriers, unless something exceptional pops up.

Matrix is just that the epitome of a responsible breeder. They breed STRONG working pitbulls and simply will NOT place these dogs with the general public.

The only time they breed is to get something they want and will only place dogs with people they know personally.

This insures the safety of the pups going into a good home. Another breeder that does this is the highly regarded diane jessup of http://www.workingpitbull.com/

I will assure you Diane will never place a puppy with a person she did not know personally.

Grimm,

By Matrix doing so, they are making absolutely sure that the dog is being cared for as it should. Physical and emotional needs met. The pitbull type dog is not for just anyone to handle. It takes an extremely responsible owner, due to their strength, their quirks (most can still harbor dog/dog aggression), and the rest of their needs. This also assures that the bloodline, which they've worked hard to preserve, isn't tarnished by some under-knowledged moron.

I don't have a problem with weight pulling. But I would be concerned about it when it came to breeding. There will be some idiots out there who will breed to get bigger, better, and stronger with no regard to the dog's health. That's not to say all people who do weight pulling are bad breeders.

ok but then whats the purpose of the website obviously if they feel that way about the pups they're not gona stud out any of their males.. so thats out. And if they have to know you well then the people they know can just go get them. Yes I understand stupid people owning this breed is bad but heavy screening can weed stupid people out for the most part. So whats the purpose of their website? If its not to stud or sell pups to anyone in the public about the only thing it does is show off their dogs. And stopping people from breeding can be solved by a strict neuter/spay contract.