On August 24, 2005 Jeff was explaining how a fish like creature with gills and lungs can survive 2 years without water told us that it's one of the missing links in the evolutionists belief where fish eventually turned in to mammals, although it is too complicating to prove it. Later in the show Jeff was telling us how camel survives in the desert and stated that: "it's perfectly designed for it's environment". My question to Jeff is: Do you believe camel was designed for it's environment, or did it evolve to it?

Maybe it evolved, and now it is perfectly designed for its environment?

If it's designed, then who is the designer?

the environment

Lesten 'riano27' this question is not for small children. Please allow an adult with common sence and some logic to answer my question. Thank you.

Why thank you for that lovely response. It's very much appreciated. I didn't realize I was talking to a highly acclaimed scholar, especially with your grammar and spelling errors.

Hey "Belyshev" what is wrong with what "riano" answered you with? She is trying to read your entry and participate in what your inquiries are? So lighten up will ya?????? And a little manner and open mindness would be nice too!!!!!

Thanks kikifa, I appreciate it

is Belyshev trying to get a creator vs evolution argument going because he/she is not doing too well. Her oppinion isn't the only one and it certainly doesn't make her right.

what he probably meant by that statement of how the camels are perfectly designed for their habitat is just that (i kno, stupid answer) the harsh environment doesn't 'allow' anything less then a 'genetically fit' camel to survive. so camels that cant survive well enough b/c their DNA wont allow them to, basically, arent able to procreate and the camels that can survive with the DNA they have, can. over time, the 'unfit' camels become less and less common and the 'fit' camels become more and more comon. thus the environment 'designed' the camels to be perfect for their environment. i hope thats easy to understand, i think thats what jeff meant by that.

So 'lizard770' according to you humans who lived for centuries in harsh cold environments like arctic pole or siberia should have grown fur and tough skin to survive? How come they did'nt? And if humans evolved from monkeys, where is the transition? If you read history books then you should know that people like Adolph Hitler and Carl Marks believed strongly in evolution. That is why Hitler stated that black people are the transition between humans and monkeys and they were next on his death list after Jews. What I'm trying to say is when people accept one mans idea of evolution and reject that facts of creation then they are not too far from Adolph Hitler, Carl Marks and Joseph Stalin who were strong believers in the idea of evolution. If you are an open minded person please do your self a favor and visit this link: http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php

Frankly Belyshev, this is not the place for an evoultion/creationism argument. If you want to talk about Jeff or one of his shows, that's one thing. I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to chat with you about that. If you want to argue with people, you'll need to go somewhere else. By the way, his name is spelled Karl Marx!

"Vidal" you ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'belyshev' you read me completely wrong....i was talking about MICROEVOLUTION, which, by the way evolutionists AND creationists BOTH AGREE ON....NOT MACROEVOLUTION.... microevolution is slight changes within a species....in other words, the species changes according to its enviro., but it can still procreate with others that haven't.....so the 'adapted' animal and the 'non-adapted' animal are both the same species....the whole ape to man thing is macroevolution, in other words, animals change sooo much that they cannot breed with other animals of the 'same' species, or the 'adapted' animal is soo different from the 'non-adapted', that they cant procreate anymore, hence a new species is created....personally, and im not saying this to start a creation/evolution argument, i dont believe in macroevolution....but once again microevolution has been proven to exist and is accepted by all. the camels are undergoing microevo. because 'adapted' camels can still breed with 'non-adapted' camels and create a camel, not some sort of hybrid or anything of the sort. i hope this makes more sense to you, and i am open-minded, i do believe in creationism, and i dont think black ppl are more closely related to monkeys then a caucasien (sp?), asian, indian, whatever. im sorry if my first post upset you so much. once again, i think you read it wrong, and i hope you can better understand what im trying to say.

Most creatures evolved to adapt to their enviroment, but then theres some creatures who are so good at adapting to different enviroments they dont need evoloution to help them.

Wow! This was a heated discussion! I wish I was able to participate earlier.
Anyway, it's kind of funny when I read this line:
So 'lizard770' according to you humans who lived for centuries in harsh cold environments like arctic pole or siberia should have grown fur and tough skin to survive? How come they did'nt?
The thing is, you could actually notice the difference on the skin and hair growth of people living in cold climates and people living in warm climates. Not to mention their body mass and size. Did you also know that people living in "mountainous" areas ahve higher voice pitches than those living in the lowlands?
Cool stuff, huh?

To correct an earlier post, the old statement, we evolved from monkeys is not true. We evolved from the same thing as monkeys or something related. Think about it, if we evolved from monkeys...why are they still here? As for your statement, "So 'lizard770' according to you humans who lived for centuries in harsh cold environments like arctic pole or siberia should have grown fur and tough skin to survive?" Humans were giving the ability to reason and think things through. Our bodies didn't evolve, our brains did. Hair and tougher skin were not needed b/c humans knew what to do to stay warm. Even animals know how to protect themselves, for example, that monkey I don't know the name of that watched people get in the hot springs in Asia I think it was? Now they do it.

Lyndsey

this is not a debate club ok !!!!!!!! sorry
adding to my last coment about the debate, I guess it could be one sorry again !

I found the following comment by "belyshev" to be rather amusing:

'What I'm trying to say is when people accept one mans idea of evolution and reject that [sic]facts of creation then they are not too far from Adolph Hitler, Carl Marks and Joseph Stalin who were strong believers in the idea of evolution.'

First of all, there are NO 'facts' of creation. It is a matter of belief. Judeo-Christian myth would have that the entire universe was created in 7 days; something that most theologians consider a metaphore rather than 'fact'. Science is based on observable phenomena and since the moment of creation is something that no one is equipped to observe it's pretty much a moot point scientifically and falls into the category of religion or philosophy.

Next, how does a belief in evolution equate to Hitler & Stalin? With that kind of logic you could say that anyone who is overly nationalistic is a Hitler or anyone who was born in Europe. Frankly, it's a juvenile & idiotic argument. I believe in evolution, but I vehemently do NOT believe that any race of humans is superior to another. I also don't believe that humans are superior to animals; were're just very clever animals. I feel that 19th century evolutionists were very misguided in their approach to the work. After all, if Caucasians are supposedly so superior to the 'dark races' and more evolved from animals then why are they generally hairier than any other race?

And finally, why do fundamentalists insist that it has to be one or the other? I believe in both evolution (micro and macro) AND creation (via the laws of nature). Is God too stupid to have thought of it himself?

amen cbr.....amen

Hey guys just relax !!!!!!!!!!!!
Well this really isn't a very friendly discussion. And anyway I think that this topic needs a bit of "Jeff Corwin" in it. So let me end it by saying............
Jeff ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!

yes he does rock

Thanks for breaking the forming ice, sunshinebose! =)

Jeff does rock!!!

Thanks, sunshinebose for breaking the forming ice. TeeHee!!! Jeff does rock!!!

Let's keep this forum friendly, people!

Geez... Sorry for posting the messages with the same thought. Ahihihi!!! =)

ok we are gonna keep it friendly..you guys are awesome!!

Hey now this forum looks more friendly!!!