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Junior Member
Registered: 07-01-06
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The channel has some interesting material, but is ultimately weakened by being entire one-sided, militaristic, & jingoistic. To be real history it would need to cover things like US Army genocide in the Phippines against the Independence Movement, the mass murders of the Pequots & other tribes, & the economic roots of war, such as how corporate America supplied Japan with all its basic war materials for the ten years of savage war against China before Pearl Harbor. US businessmen & not the Japanese were ultimately responsible for Dec. 7 (our nationalistic cult of Dec. 7 is in part designed to cover up this fact).
If we continue to glamorize & glorify war & fail to remember that soldiers are hired guns for the ruling elites, then we will continiue to be a society of endless war.
Remember, there were no terrorists in Iraq until Bush/Exxon invaded, no weapons of mass destruction either. And the Republicans sat idly by while the Taliban terrorists occupied Afghanistan.
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Senior Member
Registered: 02-16-06
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Ebro, facts are facts, you need to see them in the proper light. Who we are can be told by where we've been. We are a society that has always settled our differences by force, what idealistic whims do you have for us doing it different now? Our President has told us we are now to be preemptive, our policies are just following this newest objective. I just wish that the bleeding hearts would just keep licking their food stamps and stay out of the way. There has never been sweeter music than a herd of B-52s doing what they do so well. Peace talks are for girlie-men.
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Registered: 11-23-06
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Its an American Channel so its going to show stuff that makes America look good, and i have no problem with that. Im American so i want America to look good. The reason Japan attacked anybody was they had their minds set on conquering Asia and the Pacific. Its as simple as that
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Registered: 02-04-07
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Ebro, your post reads like an excerpt from the writings of Karl Marx. I TEACH History (world & American) as well as Government, Economics and Psychology. I'm also a former US Army Officer. The United States is a country made by WAR. Our economy is historically based on war. To impugn other motives is irrelevant. True, American business interests sold steel and war material to Japan prior to Pearl Harbor. How does that justify the Japanese RAPE and massacre at Nanking? How does it justify the Holocaust?
As far as soldiers being the "Hired Guns" for the ruling elite, how does public acceptance of that highly biased opinion affect the outcome?
For that matter, how would you have us respond to sneak attacks that kill American citizens on home soil? How should we respond to the long term goal of radical Islam? It boils down to "Believe or DIE." How would you respond to that harsh reality? Like it or not, a lot of American soldiers gave their lives almost continuously over the last 225 years just so YOU could have the freedom to think, believe and express this drivel. You need to do the moral thing according to your own code: Renounce your US citizenship and go live in a country more in tune with your ideals....like CUBA or CHINA or North KOREA.
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Junior Member
Registered: 02-13-07
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Ebro, I would like to call your attention to the fact that Abul Abbas was in Baghdad when we got him. Unless you don't consider the ring leader of the Achille Lauro hijacking and subsequent murder of Leon Klinghoffer terrorism. Also, Abu Nidal lived in Baghdad before he met with the thirty shot suicide. WMD? Even the UN says that despite none found, there is no doubt that had sanctions been lifted, Iraq would have started their program immediately. Please spare us your drivel and pick up a history book once in a while.
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Junior Member
Registered: 03-28-07
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Ebro, I think it is safe to say that you are more than a little 'out-gunned' here. Maybe you should head over to the Animal Planet forum and bemoan the tragic loss of the Raphus cucullatus. (Do a bit more homework first though) 
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Senior Member
Registered: 03-30-07
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i agree, yoyu cant change history, not without a time machine
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Registered: 01-24-07
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While it is true that this country IS founded on war, does it make it right? War in itself is very bad and has only one goal. There is another way but not many will accept it. You don't recognize what is really the motivating force behind such horrible things. You won't place your trust where it belongs nor do you have real faith in God. How can you say you love God when you are hating your brother? Find the real brotherhood. Please email me and I will send you my war diary that will direct you to the right course. edlittlefield@hotmail.com
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Senior Member
Registered: 07-15-07
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war can be right and wrong. if you are fighting for a just cause like defeating nazi germany or if you have been attacked by a foriegn agressor like japan you should fight. if you don't have a just cause you shouldn't fight.
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Senior Member
Registered: 04-19-07
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Prior to WWII, countries like Germany held licenses to build Ford trucks. Ford vehicles could be found in the armies of just about every major combatant whether Axis or Allied. That does not make Ford responsible for the War or the Holocaust. It was the decisions of the Axis governments to engage in aggression that resulted in war. Ford was engaged in legal and legitimate business practices (I'm not saying they were angels).
Afghanistan was justifiable but we had no business going into Iraq. That invasion was unjustifiable, unprovoked, illegal and incredibly stupid. The resulting quagmire was completely predictable. Our resources should have gone into the Intelligence services and law enforcement, and into building international cooperation. Covert operations could have been effective, of course, that would also have meant no spectacular "shock and awe" for the TV cameras. Politicians need their backdrops after all.
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Registered: 02-21-07
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I'd sooner have America's idea of what the world should look like than Osama's. That said If we ever want to improve on how we war, I want to know how the other guy thinks and what mistakes we made in the past. I'd like all the info warts and all. Contrary to Ebro, I think war is nasty but often necessary and if we're going to be in one then let's make certain we're better at it than anyone else!
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Senior Member
Registered: 07-15-07
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i think armchair general's last sentence sums it up.
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Junior Member
Registered: 09-06-07
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And yes, once again, a bunch of oversensitive yanks miss the point entirely:
If it were not for the US profit mongers would Japan (or indeed Germany as another correspondent so helpfully pointed out) have had the military clout to attack as far and wide as it did?
Remember - victims of the Holocaust were tallied on IBM machines. Yes, the Nazis were evil, the Japs were greedy and Osama is stupid ... but how many times does the rest of the world have to pay for America's clandestine commercial sector in blood - and then have to listen to insufferable twitticisms from Johnny-Stay-At-Home - including from HISTORY professors who should damn well know better.
Instead of telling people with an honest point of view to go to Cuba, why don't you loud mouths volunteer for Iraq?
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Senior Member
Registered: 04-19-07
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American greed? I believe the top five arms producers also include Britain, China, France and Russia. While Ford trucks were everywhere, so were Vickers tanks, which were sold to Japan among others. I am uncertain of how the US was responsible for the Axis war machines. Please fill me in.
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Registered: 10-10-07
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avaiki said [quote] "And yes, once again, a bunch of oversensitive yanks miss the point entirely:"
Sounds like a typical Brit engaging in their favorite pastime: Knocking the US "Colonists" at any/every opportunity.
Just remember, were it not for the US and the Allies, odds are you'd be speaking German right now.
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Junior Member
Registered: 07-16-08
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avaikia, Im going to assume youre british by your lingo, if youre not sorry, but if you studied anything about ww1/ww2 you would know that Britains mishandling of almost everything was the cause of both world wars, so take your American bashing and go elsewhere.
P.S. Have fun living under sharia in a few decades, dont come running over here.
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