My curisoity casues me to ask these questions. if costal towns like new yorks and my favorite Seaside Oregon are about to become underwater ghoset tows in the verry near futer and when I mean near I mean in my life time...( considereing that one short blirp is saying that our Ice aps and otherplaces are receding at a phenomonly hoigh rate.) My question is this. does this mean that our Columbia river will raise high enough to place Longview under water?
my other question is. wouldn't we notice a great deal of rise in the water as the Ice melts giving us time to ecvac all those citys and town in a safe and timely matter..Or are people going to say..NA..it won't ever happen like that...
and I Imagine many are saying..ah a tornado, can't happen in NY either...
so if what I think is true then my parents that live at 300 feet in elevation won't have to worry much about coming to Longview any more.
My Other question..can global warming..Change the Currents in the Pacific ocean to creat Huricnaes?
my last question and some one please help me out if I am wrong here... there is a frehs water conveyer system in the Ocean that acts like a themostat or regualtor ..if that is disrupted, or stalled, or completely iradicated...waht will happen to our climate?
also, can all these have geological aspects like if oceans rise, could that creat a greater amount of pressure on the pacific fault line causing it to become unstable creating a quake and then a sunami. or is that to far fecthed..I am not knowladable in these areas, but it would seem to me that more water would have to creat pressure some where.
or have I been watching to many SC-FI.
Or would the dream that I had 5 years ago make for a great SciFI movi?
Cheap blow with the spelling comment, larryrobinson! You have no idea who this person is (ever heard of dyslexia!) and you know he/she has true questions (whether stated sarcastically or not) that raise logical thingking. I live in Oregon and know of the areas that lee98632 is talking about and the idea of raised rivers seems plausible: more water in the ocean would seem to raise water in rivers too since many end at the ocean. Water is a liquid which takes the form of the container it is in. It's not pausible to have higher ocean levels without higher rivers that feed into them, therefore not only oceanside cities would be at risk.
I'm tired of individuals who disagree with someone else jabbing back with cheap blows. If you actually have something to say, just say it. It doesn't make you look any more knowledgeable on the subject just because you can point out the flaws of their spelling. Perhaps you should try pointing out the flaws of the questions and thoughts proposed, larryrobinson.
I will do my best to answer your questions based on my own research. Just a note though... expect to be attacked and heckled on this forum if you really want to discuss the impacts of global warming. The fear is so high, apparently, that there are numberous people here who will simply attack anyone who attempts to have an intelligent discussion about it. Do your best to ignore them.
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My question is this. does this mean that our Columbia river will raise high enough to place Longview under water?
The only material I have seen connecting global warming with river rises has to do with unusual rain and drought patterns. For example, the recent flooding in Washington DC and that general area is a classic example of the kind of extreme weather that we are already seeing as a result of warming. Especially coastal areas will be effected by this because of storms off the oceans, as in the DC case.
I would say any homes near a river will be poorly located because the entire weather system will be under stress. As for ocean rise, this is mainly due to glaciers melting. It would be logical that river areas within at least 20 feet of sea level will 'back up'. And it is important to keep in mind that weather is a complex system, so there could be other ways that rivers will see changes.
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my other question is. wouldn't we notice a great deal of rise in the water as the Ice melts giving us time to ecvac all those citys and town in a safe and timely matter..Or are people going to say..NA..it won't ever happen like that...
I think a bit of both. In some cases, there will be slow rises and people will evacuate (as is already happening in some islands in the Pacific, for example). However, also note that even small rises will change weather patterns, and specifically the impacts of large storms. Even if places can survive with a 1 foot rise, they may not be able to survive the changes in the power, frequency, and reach of the storms. I believe that overall, coastal areas are not a good place to be - already this is true. Ask the people in Florida whose insurance just when up over $1500. I wouldn't suggest getting caught in the race for the door.
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and I Imagine many are saying..ah a tornado, can't happen in NY either...
Tornadoes do occur in NY. In fact, they can occur virtually anywhere. Tornado strength and frequency has also risen significantly.
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My Other question..can global warming..Change the Currents in the Pacific ocean to creat Huricnaes?
In general, all the ocean currents will be (and are) changing. One can't change without all of them being affected. I don't think anybody really knows exactly how they will change, but there are certain predictions, such as the failure of the North Atlantic current.
It is important to realize that as the feedback of some of these changes kick in, overall change to the climate system can be very rapid. There is evidence that ice ages have come on suddenly with the development of superstorms. (Animals have been found frozen solid with summer flowers still in their stomachs.) In fact, global warming itself may trigger an ice age - the Earth has mechanisms which correct overheating. Because we have accelerated the warming, the snap-back is likely to be more violent.
I think one mistake is to think that there will just be calm, gradual warming and sea rise. We are already seeing markedly more extreme weather. As temperature difference between the upper and lower atmospheres becomes greater, the formation of a whole new class of storms becomes possible and probable. These will be storms unlike anything humanity has experienced. IOW, the weather world-wide is likely to become extremely violent. All that heat is a lot of energy in the system, and storms feed on this energy. We are already seeing this process at work. At some point storms can combine forming huge storms.
my last question and some one please help me out if I am wrong here... there is a frehs water conveyer system in the Ocean that acts like a themostat or regualtor ..if that is disrupted, or stalled, or completely iradicated...waht will happen to our climate?,
Now I wish I kept links to all the material I've read on this. For example, as the North Atlantic current fails, which it appears is likely relatively soon given the amount of fresh water being dumped into the northern Atlantic, Europe will drop significantly in temperature. As for the U.S., I have seen some models which put most of it in a dust bowl/drought, and others which show freezing temperatures. Frankly, I don't think we understand what the changes will likely be, and I think the violence of the storms will themselves change the system in ways we don't understand.
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also, can all these have geological aspects like if oceans rise, could that creat a greater amount of pressure on the pacific fault line causing it to become unstable creating a quake and then a sunami.
Absolutely. Hurricanes have already been shown to pound the Earth and create measurable effects. There are 'coicidentally' an unusual number of active volcanoes on the Earth right now. The entire system is under great stress.
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and or is that to far fecthed..I am not knowladable in these areas, but it would seem to me that more water would have to creat pressure some where.
Originally posted by louey2: Cheap blow with the spelling comment, larryrobinson! You have no idea who this person is (ever heard of dyslexia!) and you know he/she has true questions (whether stated sarcastically or not) that raise logical thingking.
If I could understand it, I would.
Also, someone who wants to make a clear point should take the time to spell right, looking up words if necessary.
Originally posted by louey2: Cheap blow with the spelling comment, larryrobinson! You have no idea who this person is (ever heard of dyslexia!) and you know he/she has true questions (whether stated sarcastically or not) that raise logical thingking. I live in Oregon and know of the areas that lee98632 is talking about and the idea of raised rivers seems plausible: more water in the ocean would seem to raise water in rivers too since many end at the ocean. Water is a liquid which takes the form of the container it is in. It's not pausible to have higher ocean levels without higher rivers that feed into them, therefore not only oceanside cities would be at risk.
I'm tired of individuals who disagree with someone else jabbing back with cheap blows. If you actually have something to say, just say it. It doesn't make you look any more knowledgeable on the subject just because you can point out the flaws of their spelling. Perhaps you should try pointing out the flaws of the questions and thoughts proposed, larryrobinson.
Erg, I got in way over my head...our enviroment is complicated. by chance that 6 degree tilt that accompanied the earth quake in Sumatra, about a year ago, could that also have created issues wether officials want to say it or not? amd could that also have produced changes in global weather patterns aswell as ocean currents?
Could an earth quake like the One in Indonesia that caused a 6 degree tilt be rosponsible for sever climatic change?
If yes, how come that data has not been looked at as a contributing factor.
I ask this question because it seems that this years heat waves and weather globally has been far fiecer then any that I have witnessed in the past and it seems that only after that large quake ( which Made my sick all the way here in washington on the day it happend)that weather patterns have truely became erratic.
If this is a possibillity then why is it not being looked at?
I also have noticed that when ever Hurricane season has been rampent, there has been a earthquake to fallow.
but if this is the case, then we are about to witness and earth quake in the near future.
Originally posted by lee98632: My curisoity casues me to ask these questions. if costal towns like new yorks and my favorite Seaside Oregon are about to become underwater ghoset tows in the verry near futer and when I mean near I mean in my life time...( considereing that one short blirp is saying that our Ice aps and otherplaces are receding at a phenomonly hoigh rate.) My question is this. does this mean that our Columbia river will raise high enough to place Longview under water?
my other question is. wouldn't we notice a great deal of rise in the water as the Ice melts giving us time to ecvac all those citys and town in a safe and timely matter..Or are people going to say..NA..it won't ever happen like that...
and I Imagine many are saying..ah a tornado, can't happen in NY either...
so if what I think is true then my parents that live at 300 feet in elevation won't have to worry much about coming to Longview any more.
My Other question..can global warming..Change the Currents in the Pacific ocean to creat Huricnaes?
my last question and some one please help me out if I am wrong here... there is a frehs water conveyer system in the Ocean that acts like a themostat or regualtor ..if that is disrupted, or stalled, or completely iradicated...waht will happen to our climate?
also, can all these have geological aspects like if oceans rise, could that creat a greater amount of pressure on the pacific fault line causing it to become unstable creating a quake and then a sunami. or is that to far fecthed..I am not knowladable in these areas, but it would seem to me that more water would have to creat pressure some where.
or have I been watching to many SC-FI.
Or would the dream that I had 5 years ago make for a great SciFI movi?
I rently learned and viewed a tape on the Weather Channelthe dissentegration of an Ice shelf taht was 14 square miles.
at this rate waht will become of the ice shelves in less the 5 years?
I think its itme that we start planning for an event or for events taht we may not want to think about. waht if nautre does that and there is a ship in the area?
And it something like this breaks off were will it end up at? if it doesnt make it to sea?
How far can an ice shelf of that mass and size travel in the ocean befor it is finally melted?
and just how much water is really added to the sea? I have so many questions and so many thaughts.
This winter has been a nasty one too...there is no more mild his or that but everything is changing in extremes.
perhaps my imaginations is running awway from me
the Unconvententunal truth...we veryy well amy be to late to even begine a fathom of change, perhaps were at the Pendulms arc were it now has to swing the other way wether we humans want it to or not.
Maybe now is the time to start thinking not jsut about our selves but the verry future we feare the most.
we can try as we may to stop that pendulmn, this world has a built in clock and its ticking. computer models only can give us so much data tht we ca n work with.
nature has shown us over and over again at how fast it can change its mind, like the frozen mamoths can testify.If indeed the weather does grow warmer waht new life forms come to be?
If global warming is so terrible then why have we had the coldest weather in about 10 years.
I think it's just some huge political thing. The unconvient truth was produced by some one campaining. (they should have spell checker on these things)
Plus the methane produced by cow poop is more damaging than car exaust. So before we cut on cars we should cut on cows
And this whole loss of o-zone could have been happening for thousands of years, even from the time of the dinosaur
Originally posted by superstarrunner: If global warming is so terrible then why have we had the coldest weather in about 10 years.
I think it's just some huge political thing. The unconvient truth was produced by some one campaining. (they should have spell checker on these things)
Plus the methane produced by cow poop is more damaging than car exaust. So before we cut on cars we should cut on cows
And this whole loss of o-zone could have been happening for thousands of years, even from the time of the dinosaur
The only reason why we are seeing cooler summers is that the water, that should be on the lakes, are evaporating, creating a shade for us, short people living under the clouds. And these lakes will never be filled again when summer comes because of isostatic rebound.
Posts: 41 | Location: Barrenlands, Hudson Bay | Registered: 01-23-09
The one thing you have to remember Aupak is that the left wing environmentalists have an agenda. And that agenda benefits them, and not the majority of the rest of us. First and foremost they are hypocrites. They scream about logging and deforestation but yet they live in houses built out of wood. Its like al gore who won a Nobel peace prize over a woman who saved thousands of lives during world war two, but because of junk science and a world community who are afraid to stand up to these nut jobs and put a stop to the lies and madness, he came away with the prize. It’s shameful. These nut jobs are a pitiful group. They were probably ok at the beginning but they didn’t have enough back bone or conviction about what is real to ward off the constant barrage from the left wing professors at Berkley and other left wing intuitions. Its not about global warming, it’s about power and the socialist left wing, and they will lie and deceive to get it. Good luck Aupak.
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Originally posted by superstarrunner: If global warming is so terrible then why have we had the coldest weather in about 10 years.
I think it's just some huge political thing. The unconvient truth was produced by some one campaining. (they should have spell checker on these things)
Plus the methane produced by cow poop is more damaging than car exaust. So before we cut on cars we should cut on cows
And this whole loss of o-zone could have been happening for thousands of years, even from the time of the dinosaur
The only reason why we are seeing cooler summers is that the water, that should be on the lakes, are evaporating, creating a shade for us, short people living under the clouds. And these lakes will never be filled again when summer comes because of isostatic rebound.
I don't really care what they win, I just want the residents to understand what is really happening. Because most think that we are releasing co2 into the atmosphere which is bouncing back uv's and other energy sources we get from the sun. What happening is this, we are extracting this wonderous property, crude oil, which is acting like an insulation on our house, to keep earth in a relative state of temperature, of this atmosphere. Just look at the Beaufort Sea. Have you heard anything about this area and the exploration of crude oil in the region? I bet if you take a real closer look, you'll eventually see humongous pipelines extending from the sea, right down past the whole territory, then even to another province, to process this insulation. And when you examine past recent temperature records, I bet you'll even see a sudden rise in temperature in the western arctic. We are rearranging enormous amounts of weights around, as humans, and depleting all of our resources, that is not sustainable to the whole demographics of the 6.something billion residents of earth. If we keep on warming this planet like we thaw a frozen meat, we will create an even more noticeable wobble to this planet, hence the name "Chandler's Wobble".
You will eventually come to a conclusion that there is one force that is holding everything in a cycle, a web, a chain, which all of the living things interact and live with each other, to have a two way mutual benefit to each other.
What real scientists and ordinary people do not realize is that gravity is three force in one. It has 1) attraction and repelling properties as do the magnets, 2) it has the force to keep the weights of same dimension but different element make up to vary in weight, and last but not least, it has the 3) atom to atom or cell to cell pull of all matter.
Posts: 41 | Location: Barrenlands, Hudson Bay | Registered: 01-23-09
Rivers aren't salt water, there fresh water ! That's because rivers get there water from runoff from mountains and rains. So......rivers shouldn't be a problem. I'm sorry if someone answered this. I just got tired of reading all the responses that didn't address this immediate fact....
