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Registered: 02-11-06
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I have to ask the question that I have not seen yet. If they supposed to be watching them in their natural environment undisturbed, how come there are cameras inside and outside the burrows? Meerkat Manor to me is should be about preserving the species as well as educating us about their lives. If they can't intervene, then why is there an "Adopt A Meerkat" program?
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Registered: 08-24-07
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To everyone -

In response to zaphodstheman's post

First - I despise the commercial making light of Carlos' death. Some of the commercials this year have been OK, but I hate when they give away outcomes or belittle our guys. To make light of the death of any of those dear meerkat men was despicable, and it angered me every time I saw it.

Second - Episode four was informative. It told us how certain conditions could kill a meerkat, among other things. The other things in the episode were the move, Flower's affair, etc .

I am not sure what you mean by interfering at their whims. The kats are desensitized to humans to make it possible to properly film, weigh, and mark them. But they are not trained to expect humans to intervene in them living their meerkat lives.

a. Radio collars are needed to track the location of the mob. Meerkats are 12" standing. The mob is difficult to find after they begin foraging, especially in full summer grass. Probably, KMP would like to radio collar or chip them all, but it is most effective to only collar one, the DF, and you will know where the group is.
b. They weigh the kats by luring them to a scale with hardboiled egg.
c. The kats are marked to clarify which is which.

Given this, which is necessary to run a study, "let it be" is pretty much the idea. I think the researchers really do hurt when they see one of them hurt. Hence, the letter on the Spoiler board under "From the Producer" or something like that.

Why Big Si was euthanized, I do not know. It may have something to do with TB. But personally, I think he should have been left to go naturally.

So, the end of this argument for me, and I will continue to read but not respond. This seems to be one of those arguments, almost political, where people have their minds made up and no one is going to move, just continue to defend their positions.

I rather talk about how I love them all. Smile
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Registered: 10-03-06
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There is no wrong in holding to pure scientific and research guidelines and protocol. These amazing principles have done much for the world.

I know these principles to be true as this is also my profession, but I have come to know and love this little guy, Carlos, as if he slept on the foot of my bed every night.

Like my kitty Sweetpea...I would move heaven & earth to do everything to make her well or cure her bite abcess. And I have. To know that medically he most likely could have been saved is what hurts me...us.

AP films the footage, edits so forth & so on and we see Meerkat Manor; the researchers and the KMP are the caretakers of these wonderful creatures and of our Carlos. They say Yay or Nay as to what is, or is not done, for our meerkats No matter what terms they couch it in, they are and they do.

AP creates the commercials, distressing as they were, but they are not *the hands on* or responsible for the meerkats. Of all the sins created in Episode 4 the researchers and the KMP created the worst, the sin of ommision. They forgot they were there for the meerkats.

I don't want to hear the rhetorical replies. All that was needed was some antibiotic. They knew how and when Carlos received the wound, providing it wasn't TB. If it were TB, why the charade? It wouldn't fit the storyline? No one knows TB exists in the Kalahari? So we have a wounded Carlos no one could help. If it were TB shouldn't he have been mercifully euthanized by the researchers? That abcess was not hidden. It only takes so long to do a stain of exudate to see the causative agent. Surely someone is prepared to do this now. Maybe the new vet. Maybe the death of Carlos and other Meerkats is one of the reasons he is now on site at the KRR.

I think our anger at AP is warranted to a degree, but I also think this massive output reflects not only our hurt at the death of Carlos, but because we have no avenue to reach the researchers, the KMP, the EarthWatchers, those that are present in the KRR and whom we hold responsible for the meerkats, we look to strike AP/Meerkat Manor.

Because of our feelings of helplessness we transfer our anger to the next in line-AP/Discovery. But those who are ultimately responsible, the researchers, go unscathed, at least in my mind.

How will they present Flower? It frightens me. With their reality approach I am afraid of what I will see that night. My worst nightmare - I am afraid.

I have watched and loved Meerkat Manor and will continue to do so. I have learned much about a little creature I never even knew existed both from Meerkat Manor and the *digging* it has inspired me to do. But if the truth be known...a light has gone out...not just the deaths of our meerkats now and to come, but for all I see.
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Registered: 07-07-07
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Ditto, Ccats Frown

"How will they present Flower? It frightens me. With their reality approach I am afraid of what I will see that night. My worst nightmare - I am afraid."
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Registered: 09-06-07
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Just a few minutes ago (Sept. 6) they showed the promo commercial where Carlos is still alive. They should have stopped showing that promo as soon as the episode where he dies was shown. It just made me depressed about him all over again. In this case the cameras should not have panned down on him in the undignified way they did. Part of it looked like they were trying to wring all the drama out of it that they could.
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Registered: 09-06-07
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TO EVERYONE INVOLVED IN PRODUCTION OF MEERKAT MANOR IMMEDIATELY PULL THE PROMO COMMERCIAL THAT SHOWS CARLOS AS IF HE WERE STILL ALIVE! THAT EPISODE WAS SHOWN FIVE DAYS AGO!!!!!!! HOW DISRESPECTFUL!!
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Registered: 08-03-07
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Originally posted by nosyferret:
Zaphodstheman, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your eloquence and your passion.

As to the moderator's question about further response to the passing of Carlos. Well, it's just another nail in the coffin for a show that was a hit for a reason. The reason it was a hit in the first place was that it was simply done. It had a "day in the life" feel to it. Yes, we knew that these animals had to fight like crazy for their lives in a dangerous and unforgiving land. We have known from season 1 that tragedy is a part of daily life. But it was dignified. It gave the meerkats the respect they deserved. It gave us the ability to see their suffering but understand that it's a part of life in the Kalahari.

The very simplicity and beauty that made this show a hit no longer exist. I think the producers said, "Wow! This is a major hit! Let's push it on upward."

Look at television history. When fame has gone to the heads of stars and directors and producers of TV shows, the shows stopped being the simple, real, and watchable shows they once were.

Me? I used to get so excited for the new show to air. And the reruns? Yep. I would actually set timers so I didn't work through it so I could watch on Saturday and Monday. Now, I'm not thinking about the show anymore. When I do, I'm sad or angry at Animal Planet or hurt by an image that I can't put out of my head. Like Carlos. Frown

Meerkat Manor has always, and still does to this day, anthropomorphized these animals. The narration is obviously geared toward a younger audience, even though a GREAT MANY adults like myself enjoy it. It is not a straight scientific approach. I have always smiled at the way they *read the minds* of the meerkats and attribute motives and qualities that are human-like. It's kind of what many of us do with our pets. So the meerkats have been our "pets" also, in a sense.

You can't have it both ways. You can't cutesy it up, give these creatures names, attribute personalities to them, and add all the Disney-like music... and then slam the viewers in Season 3 with the kind of violence that is not only not necessary but insensitive to the viewers' attachment to these meerkats -- which the show itself has created.

What we are seeing now is exactly how marketable the suffering of these creatures are becoming for Animal Planet. The commercials have absolutely stunned me. I'm sitting here writing this in tears because of the commercial I just saw for this coming episode on Friday. I am completely horrified that a network that I have believed all these years has been devoted to the welfare of animals throughout the planet would behave this way about ANY animal.

What's next? On the E-vet Interns ... will they run a commercial ... "Watch the next episode and see 10 fighting pitbulls euthanized after being seized from the fighting rings!!! We'll give you a behind-the-scenes glimpse at some actual fights!! Tune in!!"

The last thing I have to say (at long last LOL) is that I found Carlos' death even rougher in some respects than Mozart's pups. See, I don't see how the researchers or AP photographers can be expected to rush into the burrow and stop an animal from doing what nature is telling her to do. It's not practical. It's not feasible. They didn't have to put the light-hearted commercials "How low can a sister go" like they were talking about a soap opera diva stealing someone's husband. And the paw was unnecessary and unusually cruel, in my opinion.

But a simple dose of antibiotics for Carlos isn't my idea of serious intervention. After all, they called a vet in for the TB problems. Like has been said upthread... that's all about them having meerkats to study.

They do have ethical issues.

They may also have viewership issues when the new people they may have attracted start to fall away and forget about the show.

I don't have the same enthusiasm myself. And it's not a protest thing. I'm not holding myself back to make a point. I'm just not finding myself making the show a priority. I have enough stress in my life already.

Okay... I'll stop now... Thanks for *listening*.

I just want everyone to know how sad I am at Carlos's death. He was so skinny at the end. I sincerely hope that his sad little body was properly buried and not left for the scavengers. Even if the researchers are not able or do not believe in interference, that is certainly the least they could do.
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Registered: 08-15-07
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Critically examine what would happen if the researchers started saving (read: unnaturally prolonging) the lives of these meerkats.

What effect would it have on the population as a whole? Which meerkat deserves to be helped? The one that you saw on television, or the 20 others that are suffering from naturally inflicted wounds?

I love these little guys as all of you do. It hurts me to watch episodes like 3 and 4. But I watch them at my own discretion.

Meerkats don't rely upon humans to survive, and they shouldn't.
Death is part of life.

I seriously doubt that AP is gonna lose many viewers. We love the Meerkats, and AP made it possible for (many of) us to do so.

I think you guys rock, and I'm not trying to slam anyone, just give you another perspective.

"I saw Shakes in my toast!!"
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Registered: 09-06-07
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What I saw on that episode was horrible!!! How could anyone NOT help him!!! Anyone with an I.Q. higher than that of mayonaise could have seen he was dying a slow, tortured death. If it had been me, I would have swept him up and rushed him somewhere where he could get help!!! And the whole no interference thing is bogus! They already interfere! Couldn't they just take pity on the little guy and help him!!! Mad
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Registered: 02-23-07
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How had the researchers already interfered, Atilla? Count the ways.
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Registered: 09-06-07
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Well, they havn't interfered in all that many ways. I quess I was just mad and upset about Carlos. Frown But if they could stop Hannible's suffering, why couldn't they do the same for poor Carlos. I know that TB played a role, but still...
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Registered: 09-06-07
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Also, Unnoppossed raises a good point, but did they really have to do a close-up of his little face???
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Registered: 09-06-07
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But couldn't they have at least euthanized him instead of letting him suffer, that wouldn't prolong his life or anything like that!!!!

Sorry, I can be a bit of a talker. I'll shut up now.
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Registered: 08-18-07
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I tell you, between today and Carlos eppisode. It's too much for me. Yes, why couldn't they help him? Poor thing suffered. I just can't do this to myself week after week... Frown
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Registered: 09-06-07
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Don't worry, the Whiskers are just going through a tough spot right now. They'll pull through just like they always do!
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Registered: 08-15-07
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But couldn't they have at least euthanized him instead of letting him suffer, that wouldn't prolong his life or anything like that!!!!



I'm not 100 percent sure that they didn't euthanize him. I know it's unlikely, but they could have done so, and then got a shot of his body.
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Registered: 11-07-06
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thank you mod kelly for letting us vent

but in response to gilesluver, we as an audience have every right to criticize. we pay the bills! and yes, the researchers started all of this with hands-on treatment, so they should follow through and treat them through sickness and health. wild or not, when we see an animal suffer, it is our duty as the most intelligent and compassionate of the planets inhabitants to care for those that are lower than us. what do you think humane means? we are human after all and wards of the planet.

p. s. i didn't mean to offend anyone
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Registered: 09-06-07
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Thanks unopossed, but if they did euthanize him instead of letting him suffer, how'd they get those shots of him suffering? I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I'm just making a point.
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Registered: 09-08-07
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Maybe they wanted to wait and see if he would pull through the infection, and when it became apparant that he would not, they decided to euthanize him. That is, if they euthanized him. I agree about the collar thing, though. It might have made the infection worse or prevented it from healing properly.
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Registered: 09-08-07
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I logged on to post a comment regarding the death of Carlos and the pups. I can no longer watch. I see enough death and unhappiness in the world as it is, I merely enjoyed "Manor" for the animals but to let that animal whither and die and not offer it antibiotics is the shame of those doing the studies. Take the show as far as you can, I will no longer be watching.
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Registered: 09-01-07
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yeah they shouldnt and if they were gonna they should have just helped him so like AP take th commercial of seriously dudes YOU SHOULD DO THAT!
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Registered: 04-19-07
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I agree with all of you how the show is going in the wrong direction and all of the post are great. To me this season it does have a feel of it being set up and not real. The last two seasons felt like you were almost actually watching them day by day with good and bad. But it seems this year has started out with the producers focusing more on the worse parts that have been filmed. The last two seasons we would watch and smile and see how much they cared for each other and their intelligence. So far this year we have seen puppies die, puppies murdered, adults dying and stravation. The producers aren't focusing on the family structure, puppies playing and adults grooming and relating to each other with the peacefulness they do have together. It was bad enough with Carlos and the puppies. I know it is suppose to be actual life and death of the Meerkats but I know that they do have good times too. If all they did was fight and die why would people go out to Africa to just to sit and watch them all day long. People wouldn't want to see puppies continually getting killed and adults starving and dying.
better stop ranting..

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I just did a post that was delayed because of trigger words. Can anyone tell me what are the trigger words?
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Registered: 09-15-07
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I do agree that the death of Carlos was very sad. And I also can't believe that the people would not try to treat him. I meen, they wouldn't have let him die if he were an endangered species. Am I right viewers?
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