Hey i just want to see ur opion on which training is more extreme rangers or SEALS, cause im really considering goin to the military after i get out of college and i think im either goin to try to become a ranger or a fighter pilot.
Why is the Marine Force Recon always Forgotten? Are We that good no one sees or hears us so we are forgotten? AirForce MP'S white bootlace crew? Anyone remember them? Like SWAT special trained aswell.
I would have to disagree with roadford.. Seals and rangers aren't even in the same weightclass. Comparing rangers to seals is like comparing Rangers to Regular Infantry. If you want a more accurate comparison you need to look into Army SF and the rest of the 18 series guys and compare them to seals. Taking nothing away from rangers they are good at what they do. It's just not a fair comparison.
Force Recon is right up in the upper tier of spec ops .. At this time ill state that this is all my opinion however i know a bit about this kind of thing
This post isn't compareing rangers and seals as units, but its comparing their training regimen, from what I've read, and what freinds in it have told that ranger school is designed to be the most intense replication of battle conditions there is, while buds is mainly just physical testing. Again from what I have read seals just have Hell Week, where you get at most 2 hours of sleep, but rangers on the other hand, barely get that much a week, through the month long jungle phase, I heard it takes ranger graduates up to three months to recover the lost muscle mass and strength lost from the ordeal.
If someone wants to compare their training then they are uneducated. Navy SEALs undergo the world's hardest training, period. Rangers get much more than 2 hours of sleep a week and your ignorant to think that they don't. The Navy SEAL hell week, is the pinnacle of human endurance. Any more than that and you could die. Thats why its 5.5 days instead of 7. All rangers are is advanced infantry. They are not special operators. Navy SEALs are the best of the special forces so comparing these two is useless
I believe that while the Rangers are extrordinarily trained and elite special operation infantry, the training SEALs undergo is much more akin to Army Special Forces, Marine Force Recon, or Air Force Pararescue. All Four groups go through rigorous and intesive training, differing only in modus, as each has a seperate and distinct focus, and while all are often tasked to similar missions, each has a focused primary mission that the individual units are best suited to. Rangers, however are for situations that requre direct action in force and other than Ranger Regimental Reconnaisance ( which operates in much the same way as the above mentioned units), Rangers operate in platoon sized or larger units and are capable of handling direct action missions beyond the scope of other spec op units due to the small size and specialized nature of spec ops teams. Simply put, Rangers handle the job when the mission requires more firepower than a small 4-12 man team can provide.
Oh, and I would like to add for that gentleman who is interested in a military career, that rangers is a great way to go, and will help you become a skilled and disciplined infantryman and will give you a great place to start a spec ops career, as many elite units recruit from the ranks of Rangers, because the secret to being a good special operator, is being a great conventional soldier first, and after a while in the rangers, and having grown and matured as a soldier, you will be ready to embark upon the challenge of an elite special operations unit
also with regard to grom's comment... The seals dont just have Hell Week.. BUD/s is a long continuous kick in the @#$$.. then theres hell week at the end of 1st phase and that just bring the pain to a whole new level.
I would just like to say that some of u are right, but others are totally wrong. Rangers do have a lt more sleep deprevation than seals do during bud/s. also, they do totally different things, and seals are more elite than rangers. however all spec-op groups work together. most seal or rangers can take each others training. i think most of u guys are also forgetting about the army SF or green berets and Delta Force. delta is more elite than seals, however thay do different things. delta is mainly beased on CT or counter-terrorism.either way u go is a good choice, because u can always advance, and just try to get into as many schools as u can when ur in the military. thank you, and im glad i could explain.
strykersniper's at it again. So far this guy has made ignorant comment after ignorant comment. I believe this guy is ethnocentric of his own branch of armed forces. If he had half a clue he would have agreed with those who made comments about the seals being better than rangers. He would have understood that rangers have the same standing in SOCOM as The Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF) and have similar combat qualities. If he knew anything, Rangers shouldn't really even be considered a Spec Ops force, as Spec Ops implies small unit tactics. The last time Rangers used small unit tactics was in Vietnam, when LRRP (Long Range Ranger Platoons) were penetrating the borders of cambodia, and southern China. If you wanted to know buddy, the breakdown is this At the top you have Delta Force with nearly a 90% drop rate, next you have The Combined Seal Unit that is similar, to delta known as CRT (Combat Recon Team) with nearly the same drop rate, Then you have Force Recon With nearly an 80% drop rate, then comes other Seal programs, then Green Berets, then Air Combat Controllers then Army Rangers, then Marine Corps MEF. Get your facts straight strykersniper. The Army isn't the best thing out there, and you can't argue that Delta is Army owned, when that group is comprised of more seals and marines than rangers or berets. Oh and by the way if you think the rangers are so awesome, why then was the best ranger competition won by marines for so long that they limited the number of marines who can enter the contest. Also a Marine can become a , force recon operator, seal, ranger, beret, combat controller, and Delta Operator. A ranger can not be half of those. So I guess Army training doesn't come close to marine training. As for you para rescue jumpers, I'm sorry I did not include you, I don't know your drop rates. Sorry.
Originally posted by angle_eyes45: strykersniper's at it again. So far this guy has made ignorant comment after ignorant comment. I believe this guy is ethnocentric of his own branch of armed forces. If he had half a clue he would have agreed with those who made comments about the seals being better than rangers. He would have understood that rangers have the same standing in SOCOM as The Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF) and have similar combat qualities. If he knew anything, Rangers shouldn't really even be considered a Spec Ops force, as Spec Ops implies small unit tactics. The last time Rangers used small unit tactics was in Vietnam, when LRRP (Long Range Ranger Platoons) were penetrating the borders of cambodia, and southern China. If you wanted to know buddy, the breakdown is this At the top you have Delta Force with nearly a 90% drop rate, next you have The Combined Seal Unit that is similar, to delta known as CRT (Combat Recon Team) with nearly the same drop rate, Then you have Force Recon With nearly an 80% drop rate, then comes other Seal programs, then Green Berets, then Air Combat Controllers then Army Rangers, then Marine Corps MEF. Get your facts straight strykersniper. The Army isn't the best thing out there, and you can't argue that Delta is Army owned, when that group is comprised of more seals and marines than rangers or berets. Oh and by the way if you think the rangers are so awesome, why then was the best ranger competition won by marines for so long that they limited the number of marines who can enter the contest. Also a Marine can become a , force recon operator, seal, ranger, beret, combat controller, and Delta Operator. A ranger can not be half of those. So I guess Army training doesn't come close to marine training. As for you para rescue jumpers, I'm sorry I did not include you, I don't know your drop rates. Sorry.
I don't know where you're getting your info but there are so many mistakes there I can only correct the big ones.
- A MEF is not a SOF, it is the largest sub-division of the USMC including a marine division, air wing and logistics.
- Until the activation of MARSOC in February 2006 the USMC did not maintain any units under the jurisdiction of USSOCOM. They did maintain Force Recon and (SOC) units however they were under the direct command of the USMC.
- The 75th Ranger Regiment IS in fact a component unit of USASOC and is considered to be an intermediate step between conventional light infantry and a full on SOF. They are often tasked as a support group to US Army Special Forces (Of which Delta is only one detachment).
- The Rangers should in fact be designated as a SOF as Special Operations does not necessarily imply the strict use of small unit tactics as you think it does. Rather it implies a relatively small, highly trained, self sufficient unit which carries out reconnaissance, unconventional warfare and/or counter-terrorism operations.
- While a Marine can switch services and become a member of the US Army Special Forces, as soon as he does so he is arguably no longer a Marine so your assertion that the Army SOF is staffed by a disproportionate number of SEALs and Marines is flawed on a semantic basis alone. Further I would like to see a source showing the percentage of former Marines and SEALs staffing Army SOFs and if you should turn out to be right I will argue that Army SOFs are in fact the best because such a large number of Marines and SEALs have decided to abandon their loyalty to their respective service and make a new beginning in the Army.
LOL good reading. Not so sure about the "abandon their loyalty to their respective service" part because I doubt that happens, and if it did, who would want them anyway?
Well, obviously another Army person. MEF is A SOCOM detachment, yes it is a part of the Marines. However, if you truly knew other branches of service, then you would also know the structure of MEF. They were the first of the large groups of forces in afghanistan. Need proof of that. As as for the abandoning of forces. Well I know of one person personally who went into the Marines. He then was selected to try out for the Seals. He accomplished both and is a Navy Seal, but has his Marine Corps MOS if anything were to happen. So I guess he didn't fully abandon his origional force. Oh and the fact that Rangers are special operations. Well I can name several people who are Ranger qualified, but not rangers. I personally don't have a problem with Rangers, or army personal. I have a problem with Army personal who try to push the army down everyone's throat. And the comments they make. Like 6.5 is the best marksman amunition. As for finding sources, good luck. You find offically sanctioned doccumentation of Delta Force, and I'll be suprised. However, I know a Ranger who explained that fact to me, and it was re confirmed by several other Military personal that I associate with. One of the being a member of Force COM. obviously hard to prove, but I guess if you find someone in that particular unit, you'll probablly find the same. So before you try to educate someone about the Marine Corps, make sure they haven't lived the life. MEF is Spec Ops Capeable, and used in conjunction with Spec ops by SOCOM.
Ohh and by the way black ops, don't know how old you are but most of these units have age cut-off limits and require 3 years minimum military experience prior. Not to rain on your parade or anything. Better speak with a recruiter before hand.
