Has the Sea Shepherd and crew accomplished any of the missions they set out to do? I am an avid sailor and they seem less experienced than I am regarding seamanship.
Originally posted by Oztom: You chased down Japanese whaling ships and sailed through ice fields in the Antarctic lately?
No, and I wouldn't. Neither would anyone with more than 2 weeks experience at sea. The fact that SS has not lost crew racing 18ft inflatables through floating ice is a miricle. The fact that a ship would not wait for the inflatable while it was stuck in an ice field (where they could easily lose one or both of their props to ice) shows the complete lack of value a supposedly experienced captain places on his crew.
If their mission is to lose two of their prop-foulers, watch four whales get killed, and punch a giant hole in their own boat? Then yes, mission accomplished.
Originally posted by 222denise: Has the Sea Shepherd and crew accomplished any of the missions they set out to do? I am an avid sailor and they seem less experienced than I am regarding seamanship.
I am an avid sailor, too.
Trust me denise, you are far more adept than any of the crew, and I include Watson in that.
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Originally posted by Oztom: You chased down Japanese whaling ships and sailed through ice fields in the Antarctic lately?
Question for you OZ...just how many hours have YOU logged in the middle of the ocean?
. 40 years.
An experienced mariner such as yourself should condemn Watson's actions. If you take away the conflict with the whales, and the "war" being fought, what you have is Watson, a man with no apparent boating license, attacking another ship by throwing bottles of acid, trying to destroy their propellers, and actually ramming his ship into their ship.
Ramming a larger boat with a thicker hull just proves he isn't the sharpest knife, and that he is more than willing to risk the lives of every man and woman on each ship. He endangers the lives of so many people, so carelessly. If their ships began taking water in the middle of freezing ocean, who could help them in time?
What he's doing is a scare tactic. He doesn't actually want either boat to sink, he just wants the whalers to get scared and go home. It's a game of chicken in the middle of a frigid sea.
I'm anticipating the headline "Steve Irwin Sunk, Crew Feared Dead" one day.
Originally posted by Oztom: You chased down Japanese whaling ships and sailed through ice fields in the Antarctic lately?
Question for you OZ...just how many hours have YOU logged in the middle of the ocean?
. 40 years.
An experienced mariner such as yourself should condemn Watson's actions. If you take away the conflict with the whales, and the "war" being fought, what you have is Watson, a man with no apparent boating license, attacking another ship by throwing bottles of acid, trying to destroy their propellers, and actually ramming his ship into their ship.
Ramming a larger boat with a thicker hull just proves he isn't the sharpest knife, and that he is more than willing to risk the lives of every man and woman on each ship. He endangers the lives of so many people, so carelessly. If their ships began taking water in the middle of freezing ocean, who could help them in time?
What he's doing is a scare tactic. He doesn't actually want either boat to sink, he just wants the whalers to get scared and go home. It's a game of chicken in the middle of a frigid sea.
I'm anticipating the headline "Steve Irwin Sunk, Crew Feared Dead" one day.
The ramming is always only going to cause minimal damage, thicker hull is all well and good but he never hits the hull. He has more problems with ice in that sense. The problem for them is finding crew that have also been is these areas, Paul has to sleep at some point.
As for not having a licence. He has been at sea most of his life in some of the most treacherous waters on the planet. For people sitting at home that have been sailing on their local lake or running around on a fishing boat to have a go at him with no real idea what they are going through.
Doing what he does just shows how passionate he and his crew are, and I think they all understand the dangers of what they are doing, remembering even people that put their lives on the line professionally get scared at times.
What he is doing when he does it is giving the rest of the world a slap in the face, when he’s not chasing them we never hear of what going on down there.
Originally posted by Oztom: You chased down Japanese whaling ships and sailed through ice fields in the Antarctic lately?
Question for you OZ...just how many hours have YOU logged in the middle of the ocean?
. 40 years.
An experienced mariner such as yourself should condemn Watson's actions. If you take away the conflict with the whales, and the "war" being fought, what you have is Watson, a man with no apparent boating license, attacking another ship by throwing bottles of acid, trying to destroy their propellers, and actually ramming his ship into their ship.
Ramming a larger boat with a thicker hull just proves he isn't the sharpest knife, and that he is more than willing to risk the lives of every man and woman on each ship. He endangers the lives of so many people, so carelessly. If their ships began taking water in the middle of freezing ocean, who could help them in time?
What he's doing is a scare tactic. He doesn't actually want either boat to sink, he just wants the whalers to get scared and go home. It's a game of chicken in the middle of a frigid sea.
I'm anticipating the headline "Steve Irwin Sunk, Crew Feared Dead" one day.
The ramming is always only going to cause minimal damage, thicker hull is all well and good but he never hits the hull. He has more problems with ice in that sense. The problem for them is finding crew that have also been is these areas, Paul has to sleep at some point.
As for not having a licence. He has been at sea most of his life in some of the most treacherous waters on the planet. For people sitting at home that have been sailing on their local lake or running around on a fishing boat to have a go at him with no real idea what they are going through.
Doing what he does just shows how passionate he and his crew are, and I think they all understand the dangers of what they are doing, remembering even people that put their lives on the line professionally get scared at times.
What he is doing when he does it is giving the rest of the world a slap in the face, when he’s not chasing them we never hear of what going on down there.
"The squeaky hinge always gets the grease!"
I would sail with him anytime.
You're obviously a fan of the Sea Shepherds, but I'm beginning to question your "40 years" of experience at sea. Surely someone with 40 years of professional sailing knows that even "minimal damage" to the hull, as you put it, can bring down a ship. It's doubtful any of the Sea Shepherd crew would last long in the frigid waters.
Also, intentionally ramming another boat of civillian fisherman is a terrorist act. It doesn't "show how passionate he and his crew are." It shows how detached from humanity they are. They are gleefully threatening the lives of dozens of innocent fishermen. The Sea Shepherds are willingly putting themselves in danger, but the whalers didn't sign up to be harassed by a rogue tribe of disgruntled eco-fascists.
Why would you support a guy that is (according to you) slapping the world in the face? The fact that he has to resort to headlines-grabbing scare tactics to get anyone to pay attention proves that he doesn't have the world's support, and needs to settle down.
Originally posted by Oztom: You chased down Japanese whaling ships and sailed through ice fields in the Antarctic lately?
Question for you OZ...just how many hours have YOU logged in the middle of the ocean?
. 40 years.
An experienced mariner such as yourself should condemn Watson's actions. If you take away the conflict with the whales, and the "war" being fought, what you have is Watson, a man with no apparent boating license, attacking another ship by throwing bottles of acid, trying to destroy their propellers, and actually ramming his ship into their ship.
Ramming a larger boat with a thicker hull just proves he isn't the sharpest knife, and that he is more than willing to risk the lives of every man and woman on each ship. He endangers the lives of so many people, so carelessly. If their ships began taking water in the middle of freezing ocean, who could help them in time?
What he's doing is a scare tactic. He doesn't actually want either boat to sink, he just wants the whalers to get scared and go home. It's a game of chicken in the middle of a frigid sea.
I'm anticipating the headline "Steve Irwin Sunk, Crew Feared Dead" one day.
The ramming is always only going to cause minimal damage, thicker hull is all well and good but he never hits the hull. He has more problems with ice in that sense. The problem for them is finding crew that have also been is these areas, Paul has to sleep at some point.
As for not having a licence. He has been at sea most of his life in some of the most treacherous waters on the planet. For people sitting at home that have been sailing on their local lake or running around on a fishing boat to have a go at him with no real idea what they are going through.
Doing what he does just shows how passionate he and his crew are, and I think they all understand the dangers of what they are doing, remembering even people that put their lives on the line professionally get scared at times.
What he is doing when he does it is giving the rest of the world a slap in the face, when he’s not chasing them we never hear of what going on down there.
"The squeaky hinge always gets the grease!"
I would sail with him anytime.
You're obviously a fan of the Sea Shepherds, but I'm beginning to question your "40 years" of experience at sea. Surely someone with 40 years of professional sailing knows that even "minimal damage" to the hull, as you put it, can bring down a ship. It's doubtful any of the Sea Shepherd crew would last long in the frigid waters.
Also, intentionally ramming another boat of civillian fisherman is a terrorist act. It doesn't "show how passionate he and his crew are." It shows how detached from humanity they are. They are gleefully threatening the lives of dozens of innocent fishermen. The Sea Shepherds are willingly putting themselves in danger, but the whalers didn't sign up to be harassed by a rogue tribe of disgruntled eco-fascists.
Why would you support a guy that is (according to you) slapping the world in the face? The fact that he has to resort to headlines-grabbing scare tactics to get anyone to pay attention proves that he doesn't have the world's support, and needs to settle down.
I never said I had 40 years experience professional sailing “just how many hours have YOU logged in the middle of the ocean?” Australia is in the middle of the ocean.
Can you show me where it says ramming a ship in a terrorist act? I can go to just about any country and ram a car, and I can guarantee I won’t be charged with been a terrorist, but then again you can’t sneeze now a days without being a terrorist, terrorists are weak as.
And he has to go to these levels because people are lazy and won’t get off their backside to save themselves.
Qualified people cannot really sail with Watson. The following is an extract from New Yorker;
quote:
Several years after ramming the Sierra, Watson gave himself the title of captain, though he does not have a captain’s license. “He loves to dress up in uniform, as ‘Captain Paul Watson,’ and suddenly there’s enough gold braid on his shoulders to skipper the Queen Mary,” David Sellers, an old friend and former Sea Shepherd crew member, told me. In the eighties, Sellers and Watson fought so bitterly over the seaworthiness of Watson’s ship that they did not speak for fifteen years. (Sellers, a licensed captain, had insisted that it was not safe for ocean travel.) Many of Watson’s colleagues from the seventies and eighties no longer work with him; they have grown tired either of the campaigns or of Watson’s style of leadership—“anarchy run by God,” a longtime volunteer called it. “He doesn’t like people who disagree with him.”
Originally posted by Oztom: You chased down Japanese whaling ships and sailed through ice fields in the Antarctic lately?
Question for you OZ...just how many hours have YOU logged in the middle of the ocean?
. 40 years.
An experienced mariner such as yourself should condemn Watson's actions. If you take away the conflict with the whales, and the "war" being fought, what you have is Watson, a man with no apparent boating license, attacking another ship by throwing bottles of acid, trying to destroy their propellers, and actually ramming his ship into their ship.
Ramming a larger boat with a thicker hull just proves he isn't the sharpest knife, and that he is more than willing to risk the lives of every man and woman on each ship. He endangers the lives of so many people, so carelessly. If their ships began taking water in the middle of freezing ocean, who could help them in time?
What he's doing is a scare tactic. He doesn't actually want either boat to sink, he just wants the whalers to get scared and go home. It's a game of chicken in the middle of a frigid sea.
I'm anticipating the headline "Steve Irwin Sunk, Crew Feared Dead" one day.
The ramming is always only going to cause minimal damage, thicker hull is all well and good but he never hits the hull. He has more problems with ice in that sense. The problem for them is finding crew that have also been is these areas, Paul has to sleep at some point.
As for not having a licence. He has been at sea most of his life in some of the most treacherous waters on the planet. For people sitting at home that have been sailing on their local lake or running around on a fishing boat to have a go at him with no real idea what they are going through.
Doing what he does just shows how passionate he and his crew are, and I think they all understand the dangers of what they are doing, remembering even people that put their lives on the line professionally get scared at times.
What he is doing when he does it is giving the rest of the world a slap in the face, when he’s not chasing them we never hear of what going on down there.
"The squeaky hinge always gets the grease!"
I would sail with him anytime.
You're obviously a fan of the Sea Shepherds, but I'm beginning to question your "40 years" of experience at sea. Surely someone with 40 years of professional sailing knows that even "minimal damage" to the hull, as you put it, can bring down a ship. It's doubtful any of the Sea Shepherd crew would last long in the frigid waters.
Also, intentionally ramming another boat of civillian fisherman is a terrorist act. It doesn't "show how passionate he and his crew are." It shows how detached from humanity they are. They are gleefully threatening the lives of dozens of innocent fishermen. The Sea Shepherds are willingly putting themselves in danger, but the whalers didn't sign up to be harassed by a rogue tribe of disgruntled eco-fascists.
Why would you support a guy that is (according to you) slapping the world in the face? The fact that he has to resort to headlines-grabbing scare tactics to get anyone to pay attention proves that he doesn't have the world's support, and needs to settle down.
I never said I had 40 years experience professional sailing “just how many hours have YOU logged in the middle of the ocean?” Australia is in the middle of the ocean.
Can you show me where it says ramming a ship in a terrorist act? I can go to just about any country and ram a car, and I can guarantee I won’t be charged with been a terrorist, but then again you can’t sneeze now a days without being a terrorist, terrorists are weak as.
And he has to go to these levels because people are lazy and won’t get off their backside to save themselves.
Wow, 40 years in Australia doesn't make you a knowledgeable sailor.
Ramming another ship with the intention of causing TERROR, is by definition a TERRORISTIC act.
If you intentionally rammed your car into other cars and pedestrians here in the United States, and hurled bottles of acid at anyone that angered you, you'd be behind bars. End of story. But Watson doesn't belong behind bars, because why?
It's not laziness or apathy that's killing the whales. It's that people don't worship whales the way you do. Who are you to enforce your beliefs on the entire world? How would you feel if Vegemite recieved a global ban?
Originally posted by Oztom: You chased down Japanese whaling ships and sailed through ice fields in the Antarctic lately?
Question for you OZ...just how many hours have YOU logged in the middle of the ocean?
. 40 years.
An experienced mariner such as yourself should condemn Watson's actions. If you take away the conflict with the whales, and the "war" being fought, what you have is Watson, a man with no apparent boating license, attacking another ship by throwing bottles of acid, trying to destroy their propellers, and actually ramming his ship into their ship.
Ramming a larger boat with a thicker hull just proves he isn't the sharpest knife, and that he is more than willing to risk the lives of every man and woman on each ship. He endangers the lives of so many people, so carelessly. If their ships began taking water in the middle of freezing ocean, who could help them in time?
What he's doing is a scare tactic. He doesn't actually want either boat to sink, he just wants the whalers to get scared and go home. It's a game of chicken in the middle of a frigid sea.
I'm anticipating the headline "Steve Irwin Sunk, Crew Feared Dead" one day.
The ramming is always only going to cause minimal damage, thicker hull is all well and good but he never hits the hull. He has more problems with ice in that sense. The problem for them is finding crew that have also been is these areas, Paul has to sleep at some point.
As for not having a licence. He has been at sea most of his life in some of the most treacherous waters on the planet. For people sitting at home that have been sailing on their local lake or running around on a fishing boat to have a go at him with no real idea what they are going through.
Doing what he does just shows how passionate he and his crew are, and I think they all understand the dangers of what they are doing, remembering even people that put their lives on the line professionally get scared at times.
What he is doing when he does it is giving the rest of the world a slap in the face, when he’s not chasing them we never hear of what going on down there.
"The squeaky hinge always gets the grease!"
I would sail with him anytime.
You're obviously a fan of the Sea Shepherds, but I'm beginning to question your "40 years" of experience at sea. Surely someone with 40 years of professional sailing knows that even "minimal damage" to the hull, as you put it, can bring down a ship. It's doubtful any of the Sea Shepherd crew would last long in the frigid waters.
Also, intentionally ramming another boat of civillian fisherman is a terrorist act. It doesn't "show how passionate he and his crew are." It shows how detached from humanity they are. They are gleefully threatening the lives of dozens of innocent fishermen. The Sea Shepherds are willingly putting themselves in danger, but the whalers didn't sign up to be harassed by a rogue tribe of disgruntled eco-fascists.
Why would you support a guy that is (according to you) slapping the world in the face? The fact that he has to resort to headlines-grabbing scare tactics to get anyone to pay attention proves that he doesn't have the world's support, and needs to settle down.
I never said I had 40 years experience professional sailing “just how many hours have YOU logged in the middle of the ocean?” Australia is in the middle of the ocean.
Can you show me where it says ramming a ship in a terrorist act? I can go to just about any country and ram a car, and I can guarantee I won’t be charged with been a terrorist, but then again you can’t sneeze now a days without being a terrorist, terrorists are weak as.
And he has to go to these levels because people are lazy and won’t get off their backside to save themselves.
Wow, 40 years in Australia doesn't make you a knowledgeable sailor.
Ramming another ship with the intention of causing TERROR, is by definition a TERRORISTIC act.
If you intentionally rammed your car into other cars and pedestrians here in the United States, and hurled bottles of acid at anyone that angered you, you'd be behind bars. End of story. But Watson doesn't belong behind bars, because why?
It's not laziness or apathy that's killing the whales. It's that people don't worship whales the way you do. Who are you to enforce your beliefs on the entire world? How would you feel if Vegemite recieved a global ban?
“40 years in Australia doesn't make you a knowledgeable sailor” You didn’t ask me that, you asked me how many hours I have up being in the middle of the ocean, once you asked me you meant sailing I told you. That and I thought you were being sarcastic, I thought you were expecting me to say “not much time”
So by your definition if I walk up behind my wife and go Boo, I’m a terrorist?
Been in jail doesn’t mean I’m a terrorist; I rammed a car in Sydney after a guy threw a hamburger at my wife. The cops came and had a chat then I went home. The guys throwing the burger had to pay damages because they were the aggressors.
Why Paul isn’t in Jail I have no idea, I’m not a lawyer.
I’m on the side of the whales because Paul Watson and the SS are showing footage of them getting slowly killed by an exploding harpoon and then been shot with a rifle so they can slowly die in their own bodily fluids. So yes it’s working.
And I’m not enforcing my beliefs on the entire world, just the once that come to my side of the world to deprive me of a truly beautiful animal. Not to mention whales are a economic interest to Australia through whale watching, so the Japanese want to take that from us?
If Vegemite was taken away I would eat something else.
40 years in Australia doesn't make you a knowledgeable sailor.
