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What is consitent about the ship is an incompetant mariner who consistently puts both ship and crew in peril.

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I agree with you. I am sure alot of the crew members don't sign on for a second tour. If they had tactics that wear effective I could understand their plight more.
 
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^^^what you both said. crapy ship, crew, captin, equipment! your in antartica with shotty stuff thats asking for somting to happen. I'm a crewchief in the af and have been down to the ice (Mcmerdo ice station and pegasus ice runway) and if we operated like that with crap planes etc we would be dead and the whole Operation Deep Freeze would end.
 
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I'm quite sure that the helicopter (not plane) operator makes sure that the equipment is safe, as was the case before they put up the enclosure.

Also, I am quite sure that the film crew wouldn't put their lives in peril on an unfit ship in order to get an Emmy nomination.
 
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I have seen sea cadet vessels operate at higher levels of compitence. Yes, I know they are volunteers, but any vessel needs to be run by people who have the know-how not just the number of years under their belt. The Captain, his #1 and #2 are sheer idiots. This is well documented byt how many times they have dropped the tenders, had whole crews quit, and don't forget the speech " your safety is your responsibility". All I ever see is emergency repairs underway, never real preventive operations. And you would think they would have mastered launching the small baots by now.
 
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I have seen sea cadet vessels operate at higher levels of compitence. Yes, I know they are volunteers, but any vessel needs to be run by people who have the know-how not just the number of years under their belt. The Captain, his #1 and #2 are sheer idiots. This is well documented byt how many times they have dropped the tenders, had whole crews quit, and don't forget the speech " your safety is your responsibility". All I ever see is emergency repairs underway, never real preventive operations. And you would think they would have mastered launching the small baots by now.



I am pretty sure a sea cadet would have some training beforehand. And their safety is their responsibility. Would you have them lay in a row while someone dressed them in survival suits? Having your own back is as practical there as it is for a cop or fireman.

Personally, if I had to sit and watch ship maintenance, I would be bored to tears, I would rather watch the surroundings, or the action of the crew. I am pretty sure that the Animal Planet film crew would also find it a tedious bore.
 
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I have seen sea cadet vessels operate at higher levels of compitence. Yes, I know they are volunteers, but any vessel needs to be run by people who have the know-how not just the number of years under their belt. The Captain, his #1 and #2 are sheer idiots. This is well documented byt how many times they have dropped the tenders, had whole crews quit, and don't forget the speech " your safety is your responsibility". All I ever see is emergency repairs underway, never real preventive operations. And you would think they would have mastered launching the small baots by now.



I am pretty sure a sea cadet would have some training beforehand. And their safety is their responsibility. Would you have them lay in a row while someone dressed them in survival suits? Having your own back is as practical there as it is for a cop or fireman.

Personally, if I had to sit and watch ship maintenance, I would be bored to tears, I would rather watch the surroundings, or the action of the crew. I am pretty sure that the Animal Planet film crew would also find it a tedious bore.
No one sits and watches maintenance on the SI, because they don't do maintenance. I would dearly love to see the maintenance logs for that scow, if they have any. Maintenance is done on the helicopter, because the pilot knows what he is doing. Probably the only one besides Jane that does.
 
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One of the few questions I asked while I was posting on the SSCS forum before I was BANNED FOR LIFE, was when the SI last had a thorough inspection.

My question was met with resounding silence.
 
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How is Jane, danno?
 
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How is Jane, danno?
Jane is doing great. In my dreams. Wink
 
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My kid has operated his rubber duck in the bathtub with greater efficiency than those weed-addled hippies on the Stinkin'Irwin. Of course, what do you expect from a group of people who can't operate anything more complicated than a bong.
 
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The camera crew shouldn't be taking sides.If they are filming a documentary,they should just film what happens and leave the narration to the guy being paid for that job.
All reporters do is tell about what other people do.That's not a hard job or worth anywhere near the millions that some reporters get for reading news off a paper.
The ship needs maintenance even more than the helo does because there are lots of places that water can get in,the lights need to be kept on and the ship needs to be heated for mere survival in the conditions in which she is operated.
In Arctic and Antarctic conditions,you don't want the heat and lights to go off unexpectedly,nor do you want to hear the sound of rushing water in your hull at any time.
One of the wiser Captains whom I steered for before getting my own 100 ton Master license said that a towboat(read:any vessel) is just like a woman.First you have to pay to get her and then you pay her upkeep and to keep her in "jewelry"(term applied to any ship's equipment not actually welded or bolted in place).


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Originally posted by winpooh718:
I'm quite sure that the helicopter (not plane) operator makes sure that the equipment is safe, as was the case before they put up the enclosure.
Also, I am quite sure that the film crew wouldn't put their lives in peril on an unfit ship in order to get an Emmy nomination.
 
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The vollies are probably h.e.l.l. on wheels in emergency procedures since they have to perform them so often.
My destroyer went to Guantanomo Bay Cuba for Fleet Refresher Training after an overhaul.All East Coast ships did that in the 80s but I am told they go elsewhere since the lease for the base is nearing an end.
We trained and trained while making sure all the paperwork and equipment was ready.The end result was that we ate up whatever drills the Fleet Training Group guys threw at us PLUS the usual headaches that came with a ship fresh out of the yards.
The result of all that training was a crew that could and sometime did respond to emergencies in their sleep.I'm talking REAL emergencies like a plane crash near the carrier,an engineering casualty or sudden surface contact that turned out to not want any interested warship near them and not because the CO s.c.r.e.w.e.d up on something.


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I have seen sea cadet vessels operate at higher levels of compitence. Yes, I know they are volunteers, but any vessel needs to be run by people who have the know-how not just the number of years under their belt. .... All I ever see is emergency repairs underway, never real preventive operations. And you would think they would have mastered launching the small baots by now.
 
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They've been very very lucky.
 
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You’re not wrong about incompetence, they shouldn’t be allowed on the ocean.

Japanese whaling ship afire in Antarctic
By CARL FREIRE, Associated Press

TOKYO - Officials warned of a potential environmental disaster in Antarctica after fire erupted Thursday on a Japanese whaling ship, as the search continued for a missing crewmen from the crippled ship.


Japanese officials said the blaze that broke out in the below-decks area of the 8,000-ton Nisshin Maru where whale carcasses are processed had been brought under control.

Most of the vessel's 148-member crew were evacuated Thursday to three other ships in the are that also belong to the Japanese whaling fleet, said Hideki Moronuki, an official with the Japan Fisheries Agency.

Hatches were closed to seal off the burning area, and some 30 crew members stayed on board to fight the fire, pumping water from the surrounding ocean, Moronuki said.

However, one crewmen — Kazutaka Makita, 27 — remained missing 21 hours after New Zealand officials received the ship's distress signal at 5:15 a.m. Thursday, said Kenji Masuda, another agency official. He added it was not yet clear if Makita had gone missing aboard ship or not.

Search teams were waiting for smoke to clear in the burning area before attempting to assess its condition and search for Makita, Masuda said. They planned to evaluate the situation Friday morning, he said.

Crew members also planned to reboard the ship to check its engine at that time and restart it if possible, he added.

The accident on board the ship — which was crippled and drifting near penguin breeding grounds along the Antarctic coast — aroused concerns of a potential environmental disaster.

New Zealand Conservation Minister Chris Carter, whose country was leading efforts to help the stricken ship, said it was carrying 132,000 gallons of heavy oil and 211,000 gallons of furnace oil and was starting to list from water pumped aboard to fight the fire.

No oil had spilled from the ship and it was in no immediate danger of sinking, officials said.

Steve Corbett, a spokesman for Maritime New Zealand, said his agency had been in constant contact with the ship's captain and was on standby to send ships to help.

The cause of the fire was not immediately known.

The ship was drifting 110 miles from Antarctica's Cape Adare, the world's largest penguin breeding rookeries with some 250,000 breeding pairs, Antarctica New Zealand chief executive Lou Sanson said.

"It's a long way off the coast but the currents do go that way. We're very concerned about what could happen," Sanson told The Associated Press.

He said the ship was far from help and in a "high energy environment where you get a lot of storms." Conditions stayed calm Thursday.

Carter contacted his counterparts in Japan, Australia, United States and Britain — other signatories to the Antarctic Treaty with responsibility for protecting its environment — in case "an international environmental response is needed," ministerial spokesman Nick Maling said.

The Nisshin Maru is the mother ship for five other Japanese vessels, and processes whales captured under Japan's research program.

One of the Japanese ships — but not the Nisshin Maru — collided on Monday with a ship from the Sea Shepherd anti-whaling group during a protest. The two Sea Shepherd ships left the area on Wednesday after running low on fuel.

The New Zealand navy said it had two frigates that could get to the scene quickly. A Greenpeace ship is also nearby, though Moronuki said Japan would not seek help from anti-whaling vessels.

http://www.observernet.org/obs...ndex.php?t-1514.html



Sailor missing from Japanese whaling vessel
Posted Mon Jan 5, 2009 9:26pm AEDT
Updated Tue Jan 6, 2009 3:11am AEDT
A search is underway in the Southern Ocean after a sailor was reported missing from a Japanese whaling vessel.
30-year-old engine room operator, Hajime Shirasaki was reported missing when he did not turn up for his shift yesterday morning.
The spokesman for the ship's operators, Glen Inwood, says other Japanese whaling ships in the area and crews from the New Zealand coast guard are on their way to assist the search.
Mr Inwood says it looks likely that Mr Shirasaki has fallen overboard.
"There has been a thorough on-board search of the Kyoshin Maru Number Two and when no sign of him was found the sea search intensified," he said.
Japan maintains its whaling activities in the Southern Ocean are part of a research program.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/sto...09/01/05/2459618.htm



Will no one think of the human lives at risk since we are so much more important than the whales?
 
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