I already said this in one thread, but I want to know yalls opinion. -In the state of TX, there's a no helmet law. I think it states that if you are 21 or older, you don't have to wear a helmet. What do you think?
No helmet law here in Wisconsin either ... but it's been so long since I was 21 I couldn't tell you buddy. I thought it was 18 here ... but I can't say for sure. They've swapped the helmet/no helmet law back and forth several times here since I started riding.
The time I wrecked my motorcycle I wasn't wearing a helmet. I had a mild concussion. It didn't take me long to realize, I could have been easily killed for lack of one piece of equipment.
Three in a row. I prefer not to wear a helmet and not to have loud pipes, I feel that I am more aware of whats around me without the bucket. I wouldn't recommend riding without a helmet to anybody, same with seatbelts. Do as I say, not as I do.
I think a helmet law for a young person is fine but not for an adult. I choose (ok, it's law) to wear a helmet myself but there are times like going to the store at 25mph or just cruising I wouldn't mind feeling the wind all through my hair. I don't recommend it for anyone though. I've got some 30 years on two wheels - experience matters except, of course, if some drunk plows into you at 60mph - then a helmet probably won't matter. Motorcycle riding does heighten awareness and the more experience you have, the more defensively you ride - at least in theory. All in all, we take risks every day just leaving home.
I think that all who ride should be organ donors. I'm more than happy to leave any useable parts to the next guy. Am I missing something or are there posts missing?
my reply frog, was deleted by nonsense. There was no flaming, no flame bait, no swearing, NOTHING. I simply answered your question frog. This mod does not understand threads ebb and flow just like normal conversation - then returns to topic eventually. This is over moderating.
There is no PM system in place so one must accept topic straying a little more than usual.
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The way I look at it is if you don't have to wear a helmet then you shouldn't have to wear a seatbelt. I totally choose to wear a helmet and seatbelt just because of past experiences. But, why can't we choose a seatbelt or not?
And sorry guys. I might come off a little strong or something, but I've had to deal with a lot this week. Sometimes life deals us a hand and we have to play by it. Hopefully when I draw, I'll get a full house.
Lynch, I'm new at this sort of thing and don't understand just what Ivys job is. I read, before Ivy did her thing, about the Royce, 250 watt kicker and messing with the folks in the valley. I,ve got an old Cobra 2000, lolypop mic and a small amp. Foul language and strange ideas have taken over down here in Florida.But we carry on. I guess I"m off topic, I wander.But I do own helmets.
If seat belts were on a school bus, the driver would be responsible for making sure the kids were belted in properly ..... have you been on a school bus lately? haha
I agree it would be safer to have seat belts on a school bus but I also have to say that I think it's unrealistic. You KNOW some kids aren't going to stay belted in and what's the driver supposed to do? Besides, how long do you think it would be before the seat belts were cut out and tossed at passing cars?? LOL
Rather than requiring seat belts, NHTSA decided that the best way to provide crash protection to passengers is through a concept called "compartmentalization." This requires that the interior of large buses provide occupant protection so that children are protected without the need to buckle-up. Occupant crash protection is provided by a protective envelope consisting of strong, closely-spaced seats that have energy-absorbing seat backs. The effectiveness of compartmentalization has been confirmed in the NTSB and NAS studies.
The government decided they know what is best for us because we are sometimes lazy or justify not wearing one. They took our freedom of choice away - And they earn revenue for non-compliance as well.
I saw something one time on buses saying that if they are involved in a crash and the bus rolls over, the roof collaspes down as protection. When you look at the beams between the windows, notice how small they are. First, it the bus rolls, anybody in or around are in for a world of hurt. Second, the glass. Third, bodies being thrown around. I understand that the driver would be responsible for the protection of the children if belts were to be used, but wouldn't the lesser of the two evils be "better"?
you got that right. i cant believe that in this day and age of pc this and pc that, they still haven't gotten around to putting seat belts in school busses. i can't imagine it costing that much extra seeing as those school busses must cost quite a bit. i think that extra 0.1 % extra it would cost to install them would off set the cost in insurance premiums not to mention human lives. if i had children, i know i'd be raising holly heII to make sure mine were riding in seat belted busses.
A little off subject, but, most of the buses down here have video cameras on board, it seems that that has caused more problems for the drivers. I don't want to sound too mean, but a lot of the kids would understand what not to do if we were to bring back corporal punishment. Another problem with seatbelts in Florida is we have a lot of canals and lakes, if a bus were to flip over in the water the kids would be stuck. I have a problem with a lot of the drivers, they try to stay on a schedule by speeding, blowing thru stop signs and not keeping the kids under control. Most of the drivers here are low paid, part time, old folks, who only have a regular drivers license and no experance at driving anything bigger than a buick. No easy answer.
From net: On average only 11 children are killed in school bus wrecks each year
Installing seat-belts on school buses is not a new idea. There is a wealth of research from across North America on whether such a requirement would improve safety. Surprisingly, no safety benefit has ever been proven. In fact, crash tests have shown seat-belts could create more drawbacks than advantages
outfitting the 440,000 school buses in the U.S. would cost nearly $800 million--and when the annual death toll is only 11, how much lower can you go, realistically? Three times as many fatalities occur when students exit or enter buses
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Most parents, who insist their children wear seat belts in the family automobile, naturally think their child's school bus should be equipped with seat belts too. Their thinking is, "if my child is safer in our car wearing a seat belt, he or she would be safer wearing a seat belt on his/her school bus."
Unfortunately, that may not be the case. Studies conducted since 1969 by the National Transportation Safety Board, the National Academy of Sciences, Transport Canada and others have repeatedly concluded that compartmentalization provides better protection to passengers of large school buses than do two-point lap belts.
Compartmentalization, mandated by Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards more than 20 years ago, replaced old school bus seating with strong, well-anchored, closely spaced, high-backed seats – padded both front and back. These are far different from the metal hand bars, waffled metal seat backs and exposed rivets most parents faced when they rode the school bus.
Some have likened comparmentalization to an egg crate – the children, like the eggs, will move in a confined space but are generally protected from impacts by the padded seating and construction. Statistics prove that school buses are many times safer than traveling in a passenger car.
Seat belts on large buses often raise many other questions.
* With behavior on the bus a major challenge for many drivers, will unruly children use the seat belt and its buckle as an additional weapon. * With virtually no way to mount a three-point restraint system, do lap belts alone pose an even greater risk to the children just as they do in a car? * Who will make sure all children on the bus – sometimes as many as 70 or more students – have their seat belts fastened? * Should the bus be involved in an accident, who will make sure all of the children get their seat belts off? What if the driver is unable to help because of injury?
These questions and the studies conducted by experts in the safety field, lead transportation experts to agree with the position adopted by the National Association of State Directors of Pupil Transportation Services – "there is no supportable need for safety belts on large school buses."
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