Back to the original subject, I'm one of those ATGATT (All The Gear All The Time). Full face helmet, gloves, Aerostitch suit with back pad). I believe all riders should wear a helmet, but that's only my opinion. Others have different opinions, and they should be able to decide for themselves. I don't think there should be a helmet law.
It was totaly by acident but it was found in the new england med journal that states who had strict helment laws had a lower orgian doner rate than states w/o helment laws make of that what you will the studie was dont in the middel 90s so may be diffrent now
pst, that's an interesting study...I wonder if it would be the same today? It would be interesting to find out! I can't imagine getting on the back of a bike without a helmet but I also can't imagine climbing back on a bike. Until I learn how to drive one, I won't be riding behind someone.
[quote]Okay...But people inside a motor vehicle are not required to wear helmets. The vehicles are supposed to meet standards of safety.[/quote] Does it need to be a law for you to wear a helmet in a car? There are many people who die just from the air bag opening up in their face. standards of safety or not, side impact deaths many be reduced with helmets in combination with air bags for it is direct impact with head and car traveling into the side which causes death. How many would object if they made helmet laws mandatory in cars?
There has been rumors that in some cases that doctors did not do as much to save the life of a person if it was known the person was a donor and perhaps a "dirty biker".
Physician's thought, "well there is a 18 year old girl who needs a heart and this scummy biker is in a coma and probably will be a vegetable for the rest of his life so............."
You ladies are brave. I would never get on the back of someone's bike unless I were driving (hehe). I've seen guys skidding right by me (from behind me) and slam into a car because they didn't know how to use the front brake effectively. I stopped 10 bike lengths from the car.
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Well, until you teach me how to ride a bike, I have no choice but to ride along...
I still don't see a need for a helmet inside a vehicle. You're basically inside a cage. You're protected from all sides...At that point, will a helmet really make a difference?
[quote]At that point, will a helmet really make a difference?[/quote]Yes you are "protected" by metal and glass and a hard steering wheel (if you don't have airbags - also airbags have been a cause of death in some cases).
A helmet could help when that SUV's bumper comes right through your side window to smash into your head.
True...if an SUV crashes in on my side window (Pontiac Sunfire) I'm squished anyway. More than likely, I won't have my head and broken bones would abound. R.I.P.
One thing I have to disagree on Rather is that, for example, I have a Miata. it is definitely not a cage. If I got hit, that's it. It's over. Also, I was in an accident one time when a drunk hit me on the passenger side doing 60 and crushed my ride. My head busted the drivers side window, smashed into the deflating airbag, and smacked the window one more time. Turn my head up. In that case, a helmet would have been a big help. Even now, when I go to the track, I do wear a helmet. It is more of a "controlled" enivronment, but expect the unexpected. I've seen an 85 hp car get cmashed by the car in the other lane and it wasn't pretty. Okay, done rambling. Class is starting and I have to "learn"!
Registered: 03-16-06[quote]There has been rumors that in some cases that doctors did not do as much to save the life of a person if it was known the person was a donor and perhaps a "dirty biker".
Physician's thought, "well there is a 18 year old girl who needs a heart and this scummy biker is in a coma and probably will be a vegetable for the rest of his life so............."[/quote]
Im sorry but I have to chim in here BIG time (RUMORS=I dont know a thing about what im talking about and just making it up) 1st I have worked in ER. and on aumblances and gess what the docks dont know if your a dirty bicker or a rich bicker and dont care they dont know anything more about you than mabey you was riding on motorbike and if you had a helment on or not thats so they know where to be looking for injurys. I bet you didnt know that life flight piloets dont get to know what or who there patient is so it cant sway there judgment as to fly or not same in the ER. thats how "rumors" get started I dont mean to atack you but this is just soooooooo wrong its unbiliveble.
As far as helemts I know they save more than lives even at slow speeds pat ps I dare anyone to show me the state or federial law that sayes you CANT wear a helment in a car if it makes you feel safer go for it
Registered: 03-13-06 Posted 04-13-06 05:57 AM 1 other thing helment laws have abusituly nothing to do with saving lives. Dose anyone want to gess why we have helemt laws>[/quote]
[quote]1 other thing helment laws have abusituly nothing to do with saving lives. Dose anyone want to gess why we have helemt laws>[/quote]
And the answer is....?
Indian Larry would still be alive today if he wore his helmet when he fell off his bike during the stunt that killed him. His death occured because of a brain injury.
Bikerhart, the statement by pst is just totally bogus .... I, for one, am alive today because I wore a helmet many years ago in what actually looked like a minor accident. To say they don't save lives is simply foolish.
It's the same for people who don't believe in seat belts and say they know somebody who was thrown from a vehicle and would be dead if they had worn their belts. For every one of those you probably have a hundred who survived because the DID have their belts on. Be well.
I totally agree Windman. Same goes for seatbelts. I accidently during an icy winter day flipped my car into a ditch. Amazingly, the car was undamaged. I would have been hurt if I wasn't wearing my seat belt. If I wasn't, I would have lost complete control of the car by being tossed around in the car. Who really knows what would have happened, but I'm glad that day I didn't find out.
I sorta think it's about our freedom to do as we wish. It isn't always about what's best for us, look at smoking and booze, I,m sure that there a lot of folks that would have us smoke free and tea totaling. We know that seatbelts and helmets are a good thing. As americans we have freedoms others don't and we want to abuse or use these freedoms as we see fit. We object more to someone telling us we have to wear a safty feature than to actually wearing it.
well said frog.why they make us wear they or at the same time uping the retirement age and turning us down to draw money we payed in all our lives when we are hurt.i broke my back and got over 100 stichs in my head in 1975.i was wearing a seat belt when this happen.i have bone spurs and c.f. but they tell me pain is not reason to draw money i payed in after working 35 years.but they want me to wear a belt or helmet so i can live on to pay in as long as i can.on the other hand they just said that here in miss. the poors state in the union payed 300 million dollars to mex. that are not here legal.i think we should have the rite to choose.live to ride
Seat belts are required in my state ... a helmet is not. I wear one because I CHOOSE to wear one. And I have nothing whatsoever against anyone who doesn't. I see it as a freedom thing too.
And as far as the seat belts go, I'd wear one even if it wasn't the law.
If you don't want a helmet law there are ways to get it repealed. That's what they did here years ago. Having Harley headquartered here may have helped, I don't know. LMAO
Im not saying helment dont save lives I defenitly know they do no arguments there what im asking is why there are helment and seat belt laws (hint it has nothing to do with saving lives)
i support your rite to wear one.windman but you dont have the rite to make me wear one.thats goes against the spirt of our bill of rites.i dont live in the old ussr.i should have the rite to make that call.you or the gov. dont do nothing for me.so why s do yall tell me i have to do something that efects me.the gov. did not help last year when i was blown away by the storm.i cut my way out was out of ele. and gas for 3 weeks.got no help from anyone.if they didnt care then why tell me to wear a helment or belt.its a way to get more money out of us becuase they dont really care.if you think they do you or wrong.they have other reasons that dont mean nothing to me.i support your rite to wear one but unless you plan on adopt me(i would be a good son haha) dont say they have the rite to tell me i do.
meatel head your right and I too wear a helment by choice The reasion there are helment and seat belt laws is it saves ins. money thats the only reasion ppl will likely have less serious injuries wearing a seatbelt or helment 2 if the ins company can prove you wernt wearing a helment or seat belt gess what no mola no denaro
Windman I disagree with you when you called Pst's post totally bogus. Pst states, quote "As far as helemts I know they save more than lives even at slow speeds." endquote. How could that be bogus? It was also discussed seat belt LAWS. How did seat belt LAWS come around. Do seat belts save lives, you betcha. But where a helmet in a car? No thanks. pst, you were right to call Lynch out on the rumor about dirty bikers. Nothing is more maddening to me than someone who spreads a rumor like that and has no facts to back it up.
Thank you tmduckie and windman I wasnt atacking you Im just trying to say the reasin we havethe laws is money Im sorry but your politions dont care if you live or die its money as far as orgion doner there are just too maney checks and balances for a doc or nurse or anyone to manuplate the systome here in the U.S. (so far anyway) thanks tm have a good 1 pat
Registered: 05-05-04 Posted 04-13-06 08:27 PM Windman I disagree with you when you called Pst's post totally bogus. Pst states, quote "As far as helemts I know they save more than lives even at slow speeds." endquote. How could that be bogus? [quote]tmduckie Member
Maybe because that's the wrong quote???
"1 other thing helment laws have abusituly nothing to do with saving lives. Dose anyone want to gess why we have helemt laws>"
Why do we have hemet laws?? Hmmm maybe because the people who arrive at the scene after a motor cycle fatality got tired of washing peoples brains off the pavement..Sorry to be so blunt but that is a very ignorant question..Forget the politicians and the money.. They save lifes or at the very least save "SOME" people a whole lot of anguish and heartache and probably for many, nightmares.
windman I never said helemts dont save lives i said THE LAWS have nothing to do with saving lives. and your right tg they do save lives windman what is wrong with what I said. I think it should be a persional choice but its not and the reasion is becose of money not compasion. What im trying to get acrost is if you jump on your bike to run to the whatever for just a sec. and dump the bike have a broken leg and no helment do you think your ins will pay? Its great that it also works to save lives but thats a byproducet pat
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I'm don't know many of the abbreviations that are being used so a misspelled word could comes across as meaning something completely different. As to correct spelling, I'm the worst, Mr. Webster is always close.
