I wanted to voice my extreme outrage at the content of this show. I have been a long time viewer of Discovery networks, but just recently saw Man vs. Wild for the first time. I must say, I am absolutely APPALLED at the atrocities Mr. Grylls commits in the name of survival. I am in no way opposed of killing to live, but it seems to me that the HUGE majority of the beautiful animals he kills are wasted. This is not entertainment. If this man was on the Animal Cops shows aired by the network, he would surely be arrested, but it is somehow "alright" for him to do it, because it's how he survive in the wild.
Purely ridiculous. My househould and I will not be watching any Discovery-affiliated networks and I will be contacting Discoveries advertisers to let them know that anything they advertise during this show will NOT be purchased by me because of the venue they are using.
This is not entertainment, it is cold-blooded killing. It is not amusing, and it needs to stop.
Originally posted by englum_06: Let me guess, you're probably a PETA supporter, right?
Pure ignorance.
Let me guess, they are probably Un-American too.
I challenge you Englum to share with the posters what your credentials are and why you have such supreme omniscient knowledge of the natural world and its diversely complex ecological systems. I t seems the only and most ommon arguement towards the persons who are against Bare Girls senseless murder of certain species, is to attack the poster themselves, calling them ignorant, among a handful of other defamatory and slanderous remarks and derisive propaganda. That i itself reveals who holds the true "ignorance".
A Cub Scout and a Brownie knows more about survival than Bare Girls ever will! Bare Girls should be ashamed of himself and quiote possibly, so too the persons and sponsors that support him.
OutragedViewer 1 - I am so glad that you had the courage to post this message against atrocities committed on this show. It is absolutely unacceptable for innocent animals to die for the sake of entertainment. Why do other shows need to disclaim "No animals were harmed in the making of this..." while Bear can kill animals for a fake survival show?
I am also sad that others find it necessary to make rude and ignorant comments about our views of the show.
And yes englum... I DO support PETA. Maybe you should look into it. It just may do you some good
Maybe you should dig a little deeper and see what PETA hides before you support them.
Most of you people have no concept of what it's like to live in a rural town or what it's like to live on a farm. Most of you have probably never hunted or perhaps never even spent a great deal of time in the outdoors. The room I'm sitting in right now has 9 deer heads on the wall. The back of my truck has 2 dead coyotes laying in it right now, and in about an hour I'm going to go outside and skin them out. Cry me a river. They didn't have to die either. Some people freak out about this and try to tell me that I should go to hell, they wish I would die. People threaten hunters each and every day by loosening bolts in treestands and by causing stands to malfunction. Is that the right thing to do? Is an animals life equal to that of a humans life? As I mentioned, I hunt, and it is my passion. I also absolutely love the animals that I hunt. I have helped raise many Whitetail deer as my uncle used to have a large fenced in area that he would raise fawns in. These animals became like pets to us, and we learned alot from them.
As as high school biology teacher, I have begun to talk and lecture my students about the "What Not To Do in a Survival Situation". We use BG as an example of what to strategies and activities to avoid, while teaching them about the politics and money that funds such a ridiculous show. They too can think it is cool to jump off a cliff, but at the same time, they understand how ignorant and scandalous it is to kill such beautiful animals for mere money, profit, greed and avarice. And pleasure? They respect his death-defying stunts, but that is about it. My class is much more interested in discussing what plants to eat than how to murder animals.
He crossed the line with me when he found a "deadly" 8 foot Columbian red tail boa that "couldn't wait to wrap it's coils around him and constrict" him. He said he needed the meat and it would be a dangerous chance but he was going to take it. I couldn't believe it. I changed the channel quickly and wrote Discovery some constructive criticism. How is the man immediately in a famine the moment he arrives in his survival area? I would truly love to see him in a real survival situation without his crew.
I am also sad that others find it necessary to make rude and ignorant comments about our views of the show. And yes englum... I DO support PETA. Maybe you should look into it. It just may do you some good
Thank you teamcallis for this useful suggestion. I did look into PETA and, partially inspired by the unconscious abuse many kind-hearted posters have endured on this message board, so too, partially driven by my own reverence for all forms of life, I made the choice to sign up, to support this wonderful movement and to become a member. I also signed the petition to have Michael Vick, CAT-scanned for possible brain damage and pathological pyschosis, before he would be, if ever, reinstated into the NFL.
And it felt Great!!! thank you so much for rurging me forward to make take action.
Not an especially convincing way to bolster your credibility as a man of science Pichecuate. PETA has, shall we say, a somewhat unorthodox theory on human evolution and dietary history.
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Anthropologists say that we started out, you know, picking berries and getting vegetables and fruits and things like that. And then, the first time we hit a Brontosaurus over the head, I think we fell in love with the taste of meat, and it sends us to the emergency room ever since.
Ingrid Newkirk – president and founder of PETA Source: Transcript, CNN Crossfire, Sept. 6, 2002, 19:00.
Anthropologists say that we started out, you know, picking berries and getting vegetables and fruits and things like that. And then, the first time we hit a Brontosaurus over the head, I think we fell in love with the taste of meat, and it sends us to the emergency room ever since.
Ingrid Newkirk – president and founder of PETA Source: Transcript, CNN Crossfire, Sept. 6, 2002, 19:00.
HAHAHAHAHA!
Further evidence that PETA is just a bunch of young idealists- naive, emotional, and totally disconnected from reality.
Even children know that chimpanzees (our ancestors) regularly eat meat- chimps have been filmed in the wild, hunting and eating spider monkeys- for decades.
How could human beings, a creature descended from HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS OF PREDATORS, suddenly, out of the blue, "discover" meat?! LOL
Bear EATS everything he kills. Everything. Maybe not to "survive" but to show what IS edible and HOW to kill it and HOW to prepare it. 3 lessons learned there right along side providing entertainment for the viewer just like every single show on TV does.
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No one said PETA has anything to do with science. And i am not a vegetarian. Is it possible an assumption has been drawn prematurely or a label applied too quickly?
I joined for i feel that to change things, one must also have dialogue, in an earnest attempt to hear what the other point of view is before one labels them as this or that. It seems Q, that you may lack any scientific knowledge or training, if you are trying to throw propaganda at Pichecuate with a hand-picked citation to spin your viewpoint? Funny how you had no questions to ask, just a verdict. Very reminiscent of World War II Germany...
And i feel PETA can be an ally in the fight to gain and achieve a more sustainable way of living. On a personal level i have visited many hog farms and chicken farms, and although these animals are domesticated, it still is extremely difficult to pallet what one observes, and hard to not be affected by the cruelty enacted on these animals. In fact one branch of science, does research and onduts studies on just these processes, you may be familiar with ETOLOGY , Q? It deals in research that can then be applied to all animals. Including wild, pets, and farm animals alike. Even ourselves.
Since we now live in a world rife with an ongoing War of Ideas, i feel that by spreading the word and knowledge will only help to achieve a more humane and sustainable way of living. Besides, one does not see how donating money to that cause equates into whatever argument you are trying to spin. One way to fight proganda is by combating it with more factual information.
And about the Chimpanzee idea by the last poster,
it is difficult again to draw whatever sarcastic conlusion you are trying to make. The extrapolation is self serving and therefore meaningless in the realm of scientific discourse. First of all, it dismisses such things as Christianity's centuries of mind-controlling propaganda, and the effects that has had on the ability of Westerers to see things clearly. Also, the Bonobos must be the ones of which you speak, they are a Matriachical society without sexual taboos and are not nearly as agressive and violently testosterone-driven as Savannah Chimps.. so one has trouble understanding what you are talking about there? In the Christian world, sexual taboos never cease to amaze.
Lastly, maybe Q it is time for you to take a closer non-judgmental look at Peta. If my 25 dollar donation saves one dog from being tied to a two foot leash twenty four hours a day, or one allows one chicken to run free and see the sunlight, then it is money well spent.
Sometimes Science meets Politics. I'm surprised you do not understand this Q? Look what happened to Galileo.
I will pass on these Jane Goodall quotes to you too Q;
• The greatest danger to our future is apathy.
• Change happens by listening and then starting a dialogue with the people who are doing something you don't believe is right.
• Only if we understand can we care. Only if we care will we help. Only if we help shall they be saved.
• Especially now when views are becoming more polarized, we must work to understand each other across political, religious and national boundaries.
• Lasting change is a series of compromises. And compromise is all right, as long your values don't change.
• Change happens by listening and then starting a dialogue with the people who are doing something you don't believe is right.
• Anyone who tries to improve the lives of animals invariably comes in for criticism from those who believe such efforts are misplaced in a world of suffering humanity.
Dear Q,
Maybe you should attack Jane Goodalls value as a scientific ambassador. For i feel you have done more to ruin your own credibilty as a thinking open-minded person, than anything else.
Oh, and Q, is it possible you are confusing a scientist with a robot? One of my favorite sayings is, "Even a doctor can cut off the wrong leg". They are are humans. I know well, what survival entails, that is not the issue here, the issue is cruelty and the unnecessary slaughter of animals for money and entertainment. May i suggest you work on your compassion Q? That is one characteristic that humankind can always nurture and improve upon . Surely it is greatly lacking from many posters on this message board. ~ Good Luck Q. Nothing like a good exchange of ideas eh?
Originally posted by BearDefender007: Bear EATS everything he kills. Everything. Maybe not to "survive" but to show what IS edible and HOW to kill it and HOW to prepare it. 3 lessons learned there right along side providing entertainment for the viewer just like every single show on TV does.
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Uh, no he does not eat everything he kills . Quite possibly he eats nothing of what he kills, as he spends one day shooting, so he is not even hungry. It is foolish to think this way Bear Defender.
Anyway, to play with your undeveloped mind, what exactly do you mean, "Get a life". Does that mean to have a child? Buy one's own house and pay for one's own cable description? Does it mean to travel to almost every continent on Earth? Or to does it mean to learn five languages fluently? Does it involve getting married and sharing love and raising a family?
Just wondering to gain a better of understanding of what your definition may be?
Maybe you are one of the few who still hasn't seen these videos of Bare Girls?
to say i have or accept the same evolutionary views as PETAs founder is as unscientific as one can be. Actualy i differ greatly from her quote. I would not expect her to have it right, just as I do not expect many posters here to have much, if any knowledge of evolution and it processes. I do, however, believe Ingrid Newkirk is making an attempt at thinking along the lines of Evolutionary Psychology, which is far from an exact science, just as Anthropology is rife with gaps of factual scientific knowledge and is a piecemeal attempt to make sense of things with what information does exist.
LOL! My, it seems I hit a nerve. Pichecuate, the hypocrisy in your many posts is astounding. You have made no attempt to “start a dialog” or “hear the other point of view”. You lecture and condemn but you do not debate.
I would like to leave with a couple of your own quotes to reflect on:
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If one studies or researches fields like Animal Behavior or Etology they would discover that what YOU say is questionable to say the least. Being sensitive does not equate , in the realm of science to "feelings" . It means that every living thing has some form of nervous system that feels, reacts and responds to its environment and other external stimuli.
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One would also recommend the first law of good scientific thought warns against interpreting things through a human viewpoint. It is called ANTHROPOMORPHIC explanation. And should be avoided at all costs when delving into scientific thought.
If you had done any research at all into PETA, you would realize your statements are diametrically opposed to the fundamental doctrines espoused by that organization. You seem to resort to “science” only when it conveniently supports your agenda. It is becoming very hard to take you at all seriously.
Yes, your credibility is dubious - but you are amusing
...And about the Chimpanzee idea by the last poster,
it is difficult again to draw whatever sarcastic conlusion you are trying to make. The extrapolation is self serving and therefore meaningless in the realm of scientific discourse. First of all, it dismisses such things as Christianity's centuries of mind-controlling propaganda, and the effects that has had on the ability of Westerers to see things clearly. Also, the Bonobos must be the ones of which you speak, they are a Matriachical society without sexual taboos and are not nearly as agressive and violently testosterone-driven as Savannah Chimps.. so one has trouble understanding what you are talking about there? In the Christian world, sexual taboos never cease to amaze.
lol, wow. Sorry my "sarcastic conclusions" were so difficult for you to understand. It might have something to do with your unprovoked segway into Christian propaganda, which came out of nowhere. I'll take another crack at it:
Human beings are mammals, evolved over millions of years, from many, many predators. Eating meat has been a part of our DNA for millenia. Forget about meat-eating chimpanzees- our ancestors were predators LONG before that.
The USDA food guidelines, based on centuries of scientific study, suggest that humans need PROTEIN. The food pyramid suggests CHICKEN, MEAT, EGGS, etc.
You complain of propaganda? PETA is the king of propoganda. Have you seen those animal torture videos- they're like animal snuff films. Not to mention throwing fake blood on fur coats, etc.
Wouldn't be so bad with Bear killing animals if he actually used and ate what he killed... rather than taking a small bite or two out of a massive animal he killed, whether it's a huge snake or gator. And then having his crew discard it afterward.
He has no need for the meat of the animals he kills. He's always racing at breakneck speed to the next area sweating all along the way.
I have been an avid Man v/s Wild viewer since the first season and could not wait for this season to come on. In between seasons, I would watch Les Stroud's show Survivorman and thought he was a little "winey" and not such a great fisherman or that great at setting snares etc. I listened to Les Stroud say things like... He always try to take the bark from the ground or dead bark off hanging from the tree because skinning a "Birch tree in particular could kill the tree" and he didn't want to do that. In the last show of Survivorman I watched Les hadn't eatten for days and was extremely hungry. I sheep startled him because it was sleeping 20-30 years away. He said on the show "I could club him, and I am hungry but I don't want to do that. Besides, there are many things to eat in Nature without the need for a slaughter. And at last Man v/s Wild comes on.. Yes yes yes, say. This episode airs and I come on people..even if you're a fan of Bear's and the Show, you gotta say...When he took that Reindeer and tied him to that tree, Stabbed him in the head, slit his throat, and gutted him, only to loose all but a hine quarter and never even cook to eat the rest. It was very disheartening, and I was disappointed. I think this Show has taken "the slaughtering of animals" too far for entertainment! I think the editors need to "cut out some scenes" before the next episodes air otherwise I will also vow to not only Switch back to Les Stroud and Survivorman permantly but will also no longer watch Discovery at all and will express my opinons to everyone I know. And I know alot of people.
Right on the money attorney. If people contact the companies that advertise on the show, things would change. They want you to buy their products and if you tell them you will not, they will pull from the show.
I want to start off by saying that I grew up hunting and fishing and find nothing wrong with these activities. I also want to say that if a person in lost and starving and needs food I think it's fine to get food any way they can. What Bear does isn't either of hose things. This last episode when he trapped a reindeer, stabbed it in the head and drank it's gushing blood was too much. He practically just put away his parachute. He couldn't have been so desperate for food that he needed to guzzle down blood. I'm done with the show. Les Stroud was so much better with Survivorman. He respected his environment and showed how real people could survive. I'm not even sure what the message of Man vs Wild is. Destroy wildlife to entertain Man? I don't know, anyone know how to send an email to the folks at Discovery?
Originally posted by myadworked: I want to start off by saying that I grew up hunting and fishing and find nothing wrong with these activities. I also want to say that if a person in lost and starving and needs food I think it's fine to get food any way they can. What Bear does isn't either of hose things. This last episode when he trapped a reindeer, stabbed it in the head and drank it's gushing blood was too much. He practically just put away his parachute. He couldn't have been so desperate for food that he needed to guzzle down blood. I'm done with the show. Les Stroud was so much better with Survivorman. He respected his environment and showed how real people could survive. I'm not even sure what the message of Man vs Wild is. Destroy wildlife to entertain Man? I don't know, anyone know how to send an email to the folks at Discovery?
One dead reindeer isn't going to bring down the circle of life. If you don't like the show, simple solution, don't watch it. Here is a little fact for all of you complainers; every year in Pennsylvania vehicles kill over 55,000 Whitetail Deer, what happens, Yep, OOPS WASTED ROTTING MEAT! Should all of Pennsylvania stop driving? Please, find something else to expend your energy on, like running, walking, lifting or maybe creating a successful show that teaches outdoor enthusiasts how to survive in emergency situations.
In response to General11 I understand that animals get killed all the time. But I don't think that's entertainment. If I was watching a sport hunting show I'd know to expect an animal getting shot, bled out, gutted and even skinned. I'd probably still freak out if the hunter decided to guzzle down the blood. But General, you're right, I am done watching the show and I want the Discovery channel to know why. Man vs Wild is a show about survival. It's about an idiot who has pitted himself against nature for a few hours for the camera. It comes across as very violent and foolish.
I did however find an email to voice complaints and maybe others would like to do the same. It is . . . letters@discovery.com
Just wanted to post to say how sad and disappointed I am at Bear and this show. I have been a fan since I first saw his special on joining the foreign legion. Then I started watching MVW and ever since the issues about him sleeping in a hotel between shots I have seen this show quickly descend into what I have just watched....trash. I mean come on, let's take off all our clothes so we can get a tarp to make a raft and then get dressed and jump right back into the water. Then he can't catch his own food so they stake a pig to the ground and I get to watch him torture it for five minutes before he kills it. Don't know what happened next, I turned it off. Bear and the Discovery Channel are better then this. I just hope they both figure this out before it's too late.
Who gives the right to Bear Grylls to torture and slaughter an animal that was tied to a tree, that is like shooting fish in a barrel. I can not explain how sickening this action is. Bear and the Discovery Channel should be ashammed of them selves for airing this episode in Alabama and promoting the idea to torment, stab and slaughter an animal for the sake of the show. I thought biting the head off of the frog was also ridiculous, he had a friggin knife and again killing an animal for the sake of the show is simply appalling, disgusting and really bad karma. Discovery did you realize the idea of viewers is to view your shows instead of changing the channel because of the primal fear scream of an animal being murdered for your sake..shame..shame..shame on you.You lost a viewer and will promot the boycott of your channel.
Maybe you should dig a little deeper and see what PETA hides before you support them.
Most of you people have no concept of what it's like to live in a rural town or what it's like to live on a farm. Most of you have probably never hunted or perhaps never even spent a great deal of time in the outdoors. The room I'm sitting in right now has 9 deer heads on the wall. The back of my truck has 2 dead coyotes laying in it right now, and in about an hour I'm going to go outside and skin them out. Cry me a river. They didn't have to die either. Some people freak out about this and try to tell me that I should go to hell, they wish I would die. People threaten hunters each and every day by loosening bolts in treestands and by causing stands to malfunction. Is that the right thing to do? Is an animals life equal to that of a humans life? As I mentioned, I hunt, and it is my passion. I also absolutely love the animals that I hunt. I have helped raise many Whitetail deer as my uncle used to have a large fenced in area that he would raise fawns in. These animals became like pets to us, and we learned alot from them.
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Are you kidding me Englum...I have lived in the wilderness and had to survive by hunting for years and never ever did I EVER stake an animal to a tree, torment and then slaughter...WTF..Survival of the fittest is how we as humans all got were we are now on this planet but I mean really we have evolved better then that and can also show compassion and humanity to animals that we use as food.I am sure that hogs 15 minuites of fame was not what Bear and the Discovery Channel had in mind and inflicted on this animal. The point is Bear and the Discovery Channel took this to far just the the fools that lossened the bolts in the hunters tree stands that you commented on. BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD AND NOT CREATE WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!
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Ok OutragedVeiwer1 now we all liked your big, long, fancy discussion about your view on what Bear is doing. I do think he is a little harsh at times with how he kills an animal like in Vietnam where he smacked the frogs head on drain pipe but really...ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! He is just making an example on how to survive in the wild! Would you rather have Bear Grylls die or a few little animals? there are plenty of frogs, fish, scorpions, snakes, squirrles, birds, and insects out there but we only have one Bear Grylls. "Cold-Blooded killing"...thats a bunch of bull! What needs to stop is people like you who think that animals are just like people, because they aren't! We eat slaughter cows all the time for food, are the Animal cops going after them too? Or after the people who electrocute the chickens to kill them so we can have our KFC and KGC, and our steaks and pork roasts and beef stews and McNuggets! Now suck on that and think again before you go and say that killing animals to eat and survive is illegal and cold blooded killing. Also I have never seen Bear waste an animal that he kills, he eats it or uses a part of it for something elts later is a very resourceful, educational, and entertaining man and so is his show. I would very much appreciate hearing back from you and anyone elts on what they think about my reply.
Not that I don't doubt the sincerity of some of the posters to this debate, but if you are going to make a case for not killing reindeer and pigs, then you should be equally apalled by the death of the leech. Is one more valueable than the other?
Also, no evidence has been given either way to prove or disprove the notion that the whole animal is uneaten.
Originally posted by Pichecuate: Very reminiscent of World War II Germany...
Ahhh. The Hitler accusation. Very nicely done. If you don't actually feel like listening to an opposing point of view, just call him a Nazi.
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Also, the Bonobos must be the ones of which you speak, they are a Matriachical society without sexual taboos and are not nearly as agressive and violently testosterone-driven as Savannah Chimps.. so
Acually, new research according to Gottfried Hohmann suggest occasional violence amongst Bonobos, perhaps less than that of Chimps, but still violence.
Originally posted by big-boom-king: Ok OutragedVeiwer1 now we all liked your big, long, fancy discussion about your view on what Bear is doing. I do think he is a little harsh at times with how he kills an animal like in Vietnam where he smacked the frogs head on drain pipe but really...ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! He is just making an example on how to survive in the wild! Would you rather have Bear Grylls die or a few little animals? there are plenty of frogs, fish, scorpions, snakes, squirrles, birds, and insects out there but we only have one Bear Grylls. "Cold-Blooded killing"...thats a bunch of bull! What needs to stop is people like you who think that animals are just like people, because they aren't! We eat slaughter cows all the time for food, are the Animal cops going after them too? Or after the people who electrocute the chickens to kill them so we can have our KFC and KGC, and our steaks and pork roasts and beef stews and McNuggets! Now suck on that and think again before you go and say that killing animals to eat and survive is illegal and cold blooded killing. Also I have never seen Bear waste an animal that he kills, he eats it or uses a part of it for something elts later is a very resourceful, educational, and entertaining man and so is his show. I would very much appreciate hearing back from you and anyone elts on what they think about my reply.
I am sure the last thing you have to worry about is Bear starving to death on his show. Bet ya the support crew has a few pbj sandwiches they can share. As far as being resourceful. He jumped in the water to get the paracord and left the dang tarp. Would have worked great on that little leaf tent of his. Not going anywhere near the whole animals for food and slaughterhouse stuff. Just will say I found nothing resourceful, educational, or in anyway entertaining in watching him kill that pig.
We eat slaughter cows all the time for food, are the Animal cops going after them too? Or after the people who electrocute the chickens to kill them so we can have our KFC and KGC, and our steaks and pork roasts and beef stews and McNuggets!
Not disagreeing with anything you said, but pointing out that YES, there are animal rights groups who go after the meat industries as well.
You might not want to use your above counter point in the future as someone is likely to call you on it.
And again, I don't disagree with your points on the killing of animals, I am a hunter myself AND I have worked in a poultry processing plant as well.
big-boom-king – There are so many things wrong with your post I’m not sure exactly where to start.
First I’ll point out that the OP clearly states that he has no problem with killing animals for food and that his issue is with the waste and using the killing to provide entertainment so half of your response doesn’t even make sense
Second thing I’d argue against is this statement “He is just making an example on how to survive in the wild!” How to survive in the wild? Most, if not everything that is killed on the show was provided by someone other than Bear. I have yet to see a “demonstration” of any reasonable or even realistic technique of catching something for himself. In fact I am convinced that they don’t even bother to try to give any sort of valuable information in this regard but rather just use his “snares” etc, as an excuse to kill something so Bear can eat something raw or drink something’s blood to provide shock and awe for the program.
The third thing I would disagree with is the notion that you’ve never seen Bear waste anything. Two episode ago he killed a pig, did you think he ate the whole thing? Three episodes ago he supposedly dropped the majority of a reindeer carcass through the ice. How could that not be considered wasting it? With both of these examples he stated that the animals were given to him by locals so I’m going to assume that these same people took back the remainder of the carcass when Bear was finished with it but as I said this is just an assumption. If the producers purchased these animals then they could do whatever they want with them and the fact is that simply disposing of the carcass would be much easier than trying to preserve it in a condition that would keep it fit for later consumption. So I certainly wouldn’t be shocked to find out that they just throw it away when they’re done with it.
Finally I have to argue against the idea that Bear is surviving on the things he kills. Personally I’ve never actually seen him take more than a bite or two of anything. I’ve been looking into Bear recently and was surprised to discover that he actually maintains a vegan diet most of the time. Serious hereditary health issues force him to limit his consumption of meat. Also the safety people make him return to a basecamp every night so he can safely perform his challenges the next day. When you add everything up it seems pretty obvious to me that Bear “survives” on food that is eaten off camera and that the killing and eating gross things is done purely for entertainment value.
just throwing this out there. yeah umm man vs. wild is an entertainment show and that is its exact purpose. You guys want something that gives techniques to use and everything take a survival course and the 'peta' people seriously now. every god blessed animal that ever gets killed is so sad and wrong comon now your adults act like em and dont start making accusations at the show and discovery when you dont know what they did to obtain,kill and dispose of the animal once you know all of that then you can start talking. dont just run your mouths to hear yourselves when you dont know what you are talking about.
Again Jeff_L you give me back an amazing answer and I would just like to say that I had no idea Bear wasted those animals a few episodes back because I haven't see an episode in a while besides Vietnam mainly because I would rather watch Family Guy, which is on at the same time as the new episodes most of the time. I was also unaware that he actually maintains a vegan diet most of the time or that the safety people make him return to a basecamp every night so he can safely perform his challenges the next day. An i do agree i have never seen him eat more than 2 bits from anything exept wen Bear and Will Ferrel ate that moose head that was put there by natives or something like that haha. To be honest I was just mad that someone would start a topic on this because really are they that big of animal lovers! I do like animal but there is such a vast amount of each creature! Plus we are humans and humans are inferior to animals and why elts do you think animals were put on the planet? So we and other carnivors can eat them! Im sure you r going to give me another extreamly long reply to why im wrong again but this is my opinion and how i feel about this discusion.Im also only 15 so i dont know very much on how stuff like this show works or even cares where they get the animals from and if they bought them and i can see you have many facts up your selve and seem like a very smart person. Either that or your some loser who looks up this stuff and has no life, possibly fat and sits at his computer all day eating Hot Pockets that your mom cooks up. So ya cant wait to hear what you say back!
Well big-boom-king it sounds like you were just misinformed and lack the experience that comes with age. I certainly didn’t mean to offend or upset you but I think I was less harsh on you than you were on the OP. Remember, he was just stating his opinion also. If you can’t handle a little criticism yourself it is probably best not to criticize others.
As for the animal lover thing don’t assume anyone with a deep respect for nature and animals is some sort of animal rights freak. When someone spends a lot of time in the outdoors, in the wilder places in particular, they tend to get a different perspective on things than someone who hasn’t. Honestly it would be nice to see the show place some importance on showing some respect for nature and wildlife instead of just depicting them as something to be conquered and exploited. I find many of the killings on Man Versus Wild disturbing but that doesn’t mean I have a problem with killing animals in general. In fact most of the meat I eat I’ve actually killed myself.
In regard to your last statements- first, I don’t eat hot pockets or anything else that resembles vomit in a pastry crust. Very little of what I eat has ever seen the inside of a box. No I don’t spend all day online but yes I do look things up on the internet. Why wouldn’t I? It’s a great way to find out about things you’re interested in. What do you do on the net, play video games and update your facebook status? Finally, no I’m not fat. For every hour I spend staring at a screen, computer or tv, I spend about 4 hours outside, hiking, hunting or doing chores. Which means I have a very healthy and rewarding life.
OK, this time Bear went too far. When he wasted 98% of the gator I winced. The reindeer was completely wasted. In Alaska what he did is simply a crime, you get a ticket, no whiners no excuses. I know sheep hunters that tried to get the meat out, failed, and got a ticket. Bear never even really tried. I knew when he tried to cross that creek he was setting up a planned failure where he could leave the meat. I killed am moose this year and didn't get it out till 4 am in pretty heavy brown bear country. You kill it you bring it out, simple. Bear could have simply left most the carcass with his crew, and had it flown out.. the killing was fairly well done.. perfectly bled out.. the meat would have been awesome. Come to Alaska and pull that crap, and I guarantee you Bear you will be arrested, cause I will see to it.
I do not agree with bear's behaviour on this show. the killing of this beatiful reindeer was absolutely not necessary. they could have just shown how to catch it and thats it. Les never pulled this kind of stupid stunt for the sake of the show. I miss Les, no more Man killing wild for me.
The third thing I would disagree with is the notion that you’ve never seen Bear waste anything. Two episode ago he killed a pig, did you think he ate the whole thing?
Of course he isn't going to eat the whole pig. He is demonstrating how to procure a meal in a survival situation.
I guess we can assume your survival advice would be, for the person to eat a meal of pig, then throw the remaining 200lb carcass over their shoulder and continue their trek to safety.
Oh come on people! Can't you see he's passionate about what he's doing. No matter what his intentions are, he is teaching about survival. He shows what you can do in certain situations. A couple of animals pay there life for it, so what? Don't be so hypocritical. I have never encountered anybody who protects animals in a perfect efficient way. You drive a car, animals die, eat meat, animals die, eat vegtables, farmers kill rabbits. You don't need meat, but it's nice to eat so animals die. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what he does. Even if it was only for his passion, I would still be watching the show. Sad people you are.. Now let me check my mouse traps..
The problem with the "slaughtering" is that it is all for show. Just like every thing else with this stupid show. Survival my butt!! If you ever try half of the stupid stunts he trys YOU WILL DIE!!! Climbing down the face of a water fall or running and sliding down hills in the snow or climbing up a rock wall when you could just walk around it. I could go on. The only thing he is passionate about is showing off and making money while doing it. I don't watch the show anymore but sometimes catch clips of the show. What a joke of a show. Discovery you should be ashamed of yourself!!
You're Crazy thats what! if u're stuck in a jungle u'd probably resort to canabalism to survive! This man is teaching the basics of survival, i've been lost in a jungle before too so i know what he eats and under what circumstances. i 'm sure he's not having fun eating snails either u freak!
rurging me forward to make take action.
So ya cant wait to hear what you say back!