hi Friendz...........this is mine 1st topic 4 disscussion....
can anyone tell me how Bear got all that knowldge
,which he tell during show?????????

Almost all the "knowledge" told on these shows are from scripwriters, some that do more research than others.

That's a terrible answer, freebirdie. Way to push your agenda without actually giving any good info.

Adi, here's the real answer to your question. Bear received survival training during his time in the military. He also is, what I would call, an adventurer. I'd even say "world class" adventurer, though I suppose that's debatable. He is an experienced climber, hiker, etc. So, he has experience operating in a lot of different environments. Additionally, there are other experts associated with the show. Local experts for each location, consultants, safety experts, etc.

I stand by my answer. His "military service" was an uncompleted term in the reserves. Yes they hire experts and local consultants, but the scripwriters don't allways follow the sound advice given them.

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I stand by my answer.

Your answer failed to actually answer the OP's question.

You can put "military service" in quotes all you like, it doesn't change the fact that he did serve and did receive survival training. The fact that he got out early due to an injury is, in this case, irrelevant. You ignored the adventuring he's done which is an obviously large influence on the show. And, you are overplaying the script angle.

You took the OPs question as a chance to throw out a snide remark implying Bear has no skills (something even many of his detractors don't claim), and we both know it.

As much as I hate relying on wikipedia:

Grylls served for three years as an officer in the Territorial Army as a Specialist Combat Survival Instructor and Patrol Medic with the Special Forces unit, 21 SAS Regiment (Artists Rifles). His military service ended in 1996 due to a parachuting accident during a training exercise in Kenya. His canopy ripped at 16,000 feet (4500 m), partially opening, causing him to fall and land on his parachute pack on his back, which broke three vertebrae (t8, t10 and t12) and left him struggling to feel his legs. Grylls later said of the accident, "I should have cut the main parachute and gone to the reserve but thought there was time to resolve the problem." Grylls spent the next 12 months in rehabilitation and, with his military service over, directed his efforts into trying to get well enough to fulfill his childhood dream of climbing Everest.

Following his honorable military discharge, Grylls has since been awarded the honorary rank of Lieutenant Commander in the UK's Royal Naval Reserve.

MattW, make up your mind! When you are in a discusion with people who 'been there, done that' the show is just an entertaining TV show, but get someone that is new, it's teaching survival. Is Bear an entertainer or is he a survival teacher, and please don't say both.

Why not? Aren't the best teachers entertaining?

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Is Bear an entertainer or is he a survival teacher, and please don't say both.

Why is that so hard to imagine. Being able to entertain and inform would be a job requirement
for this type of TV.

It's actually much less conflicted than you freebird, spending time on this forum.

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Originally posted by zzbum:

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Is Bear an entertainer or is he a survival teacher, and please don't say both.

Why is that so hard to imagine. Being able to entertain and inform would be a job requirement
for this type of TV.

It's actually much less conflicted than you freebird, spending time on this forum.

Why is it so hard to understand a person can be both a fan and a critic of this show?

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Being able to entertain and inform would be a job requirement for this type of TV.

?? Why would the ability to inform be a requirement for an over dramatized fictional program?

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Originally posted by freebirde:
MattW, make up your mind! When you are in a discusion with people who 'been there, done that' the show is just an entertaining TV show, but get someone that is new, it's teaching survival. Is Bear an entertainer or is he a survival teacher, and please don't say both.

I see you're changing the subject. ...An obvious sign that there's nothing more you can say regarding the subject we were actually discussing.

As for the issue you are now discussing, it is based on an erroneous assumption. Namely, that it is somehow contradictory for me to say at some points that the show is for entertainment, and at others that it is informative. There is, of course, no reason the show can't be both.

In fact, that is what I have always (IIRC) maintained. The crazy stunts and the "lost in the wilderness" stuff is clearly for entertainment. Yet, he does also give some useful tips along the way.

I know that you may have felt like, "Aha! I got him on this one!!11!ELEVENTY!" in that last post. But really... no.

(And, hey folks, I'm leaving today and will be gone all next week with no net access. So I won't be able to reply to any other debates. FYI.)

Yes, teachers should be entertaining in their enlightment, and entertainers can teach. I should ask which is the primary focus of this show?

Are you conceding it can be both? Because, if you are, I'll answer your question.

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Why is it so hard to understand a person can be both a fan and a critic of this show?

well chucky, someone can both.

But if everything they post is critical of bear, then they are neither, I would call that a hater.

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for an over dramatized fictional program

Who said it was overly dramatized, or fictional?

that just sounds like the opinion of an overly bitter viewer, who should probably not bother to watch it at all, much less waste time debating it.

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that just sounds like the opinion of an overly bitter viewer, who should probably not bother to watch it at all,....

Not watch it? But it’s the funniest thing on tv right now. Are you saying that you don’t think it’s over dramatized or fictional? Hahaha, you probably do believe that. I watched all of 3 minutes of the new episode and what did I see?- BG’s going to try and spear a stingray but first he goes into his typical schpeal about how dangerous and deadly (snicker) of an animal it is and how careful he must be. OMG! I almost fell over laughing. Does ANYONE actually believe this nonsense? The stingray is one of the most docile creatures in the sea. The Steve Irwin thing was a freak accident but I’m sure since everyone has heard of that BGs going to assume we’re all a bunch of idiots and make the stingray out to be some sort of aggressive killing machine LOL. I’m surprised he didn’t make specific reference to Irwin, maybe he did, I turned off the tv before the commercial break was over so I missed his death defying attack on the killer stingray- ROTFLMAO!

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…much less waste time debating it

Sounds like somebody is getting a little tired of constantly trying to defend the indefensible. You’re right though, debating it is a waste of time; some people refuse to accept the facts and continue to argue that this show actually has some value beyond a cheap thrill. Oh yeah, you asked a question-

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Who said it was overly dramatized, or fictional?

This guy did- http://www.tvscoop.tv/2008/05/tv_review_bear_1.html

And this guy- http://www.getbracknell.co.uk/entertainment/film_and_ci...grylls_born_big_head

And if those aren’t good enough for you, how about Ray Mears- http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1020498...ar-just-showman.html

Of course I suppose in Sealworld everyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion of the show and its host is an “overly bitter viewer”

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As much as I hate relying on wikipedia:

Grylls served for three years as an officer in the Territorial Army as a Specialist Combat Survival Instructor and Patrol Medic with the Special Forces unit, 21 SAS Regiment (Artists Rifles).

Here is a quote from his bio on his own web site:

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1994-1997
Served with the British SAS (21 SAS). Passed UK Special Forces Selection, serving as a sabre soldier, trained in unarmed combat, desert and winter warfare, combat survival, medics, parachuting, signals, evasive driving, climbing and explosives. Served in North Africa twice. In late 1996 Bear broke his back in a free fall parachuting accident in southern Africa.

Notice that he claims he was trained in “combat survival”. Every soldier receives some level of this training. Nowhere is there any indication he received any “advanced” survival training or that he was ever a survival expert or trainer.

Bear served in 21 SAS – a part-time reserve unit of the Territorial Army. It typically takes recruits from 6 months to 1 year to complete the selection process because they are part time. On Bear’s web site he has a photo (in one of the slide shows) of his Parachute Training Certificate dated Sept 1995. This indicates that it took him about a year to complete the selection process and basic training.

He spent the last year of service (late 1996 to late 1997) recovering form his back injury. That leaves only about 1 year (1995 to 1996) of part-time, “active duty” service in the Territorial Army.

And? Except the possible error or omission regarding being a survival instructor, nothing you wrote disagrees with what I wrote, so you are refuting what part of my post exactly?

BTW, his website used to state "In 1998 Bear Grylls became the youngest britain to climb Everest. Bear entered The Guinness Book of Records on May 26th, 1998 at 07.22am. Before the Everest expedition, Bear spent three years as a Specialist Combat Survival Instructor and Patrol Medic with the British Special Forces." The claim to being an instructor is repeated in his bio at City Speakers International, through whom you can hire Bear to speak at a function.

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BTW, his website used to state "In 1998 Bear Grylls became the youngest britain to climb Everest. Bear entered The Guinness Book of Records on May 26th, 1998 at 07.22am. Before the Everest expedition, Bear spent three years as a Specialist Combat Survival Instructor and Patrol Medic with the British Special Forces."

The phrase “used to state” is the key phrase in your post. His website was revised after many inconsistencies in various reports of his service were noted here on this forum and other places. It is unlikely that the claim he was a “survival instructor” would have been removed if it was strictly true. I also find it highly unlikely that he would have become a “combat survival instructor” with the British Special Forces with his limited amount of (part-time) service before he broke his back.

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Originally posted by MattW_III:
Are you conceding it can be both? Because, if you are, I'll answer your question.

Yes a show, such as MB, can be, but this show is not. And no I'm not a fan of MvW, I'm a fan of Discovery, as such I wish them to be better.

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Grylls served for three years as an officer in the Territorial Army as a Specialist Combat Survival Instructor

Thats enough to qualify him as a reputable source in my book.