What kind of a mother talks her children out of going on an awesome vacation with their father and then turns around and leaves them home alone? Hello Do you not know when their spring break is? Why would you schedule a speaking thing on their time off? Why would you not cancel this when you were made aware of the conflict in scheduling and put your family vacation first? Matt is a work horse and has made a wonderful life for his family. To Amy he is just a dreamer. Well lady you had better watch out because there are many ladies out their that would like to wake up in Matt's dream. Appreciate your husband for who he is just like he does for you!
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Watch the episode more closely. Matt and Zach had a fight off screen. Amy tells her 19 year old to do what he wants. She actively tries to talk Jacob into going with his dad. She allowed Molly to make her own decision. Amy said to Matt that she wanted the kids to be happy with whatever their final decision was. And do I detect a hint of jealousy of Amy, a little crush on Matt?
And do I detect a hint of jealousy of Amy, a little crush on Matt?
Oh brother! It amazes me how different people see the same thing differently.
It's amazing, isn't it? I saw it exactly as Treespryt did--the show that is. What's more amusing...but a little sad..is that the same people who accuse Amy of being 'overinvolved' with her kids....are probably the same who are "aghast" she took a speaking engagement and 'left them alone'. Really, the woman couldn't please them if she groveled, which I am in hopes she won't consider.
Didn't read all the replies but leaving the kids alone when she left? Duh, Zach is 19? And Molly is more mature than he is. LOL I just thought it sad the family couldn't go to the V.I's together.
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Nope...you may be right about his health. He's just announced he's heading for spinal surgery. However, I believe TLC planned the trip to the islands, and paid for the trip, because they wish to film travel-challenges in boating/sightseeing, etc. for LP on crutches.
This latest episode disgusted me. Amy and Zach need to go off to an island somehwere and live. Matt is a hard worker who had given his family a very nice life. Zach sits kicking around a soccer ball and is constantly stuffing his face, and mouthing off. He should grow up.
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Native I agree with you that Matt valid reasons for not changing the trip. He could have presented the idea to Amy before hand and they could have presented the trip as dad and kids rather than a family vacation. The whole thing was badly handled.
I think a lot of years of anger and resentment boiled over in these episodes all around. Matt wasn't exactly a model parent when he called Zach a crybaby rather than trying to understand what his son was saying (we didn't see this but Zach talked about it). Mel please explain how Zach was being selfish when his concern was that his mother was being deliberately left out of a family situation. Whether it was a good decision or not Zach made a choice and accepted the consequences. That was a sign of coming maturity.
Originally posted by treespryt: Watch the episode more closely. Matt and Zach had a fight off screen. Amy tells her 19 year old to do what he wants. She actively tries to talk Jacob into going with his dad. She allowed Molly to make her own decision. Amy said to Matt that she wanted the kids to be happy with whatever their final decision was. And do I detect a hint of jealousy of Amy, a little crush on Matt?
Well, maybe... but then she give a high five and a smirk that says -- Matt, I win! They chose ME! I'm not buying that she wanted them to make their own decision.
Exactly... the high five seems to have been overlooked. Amy's behavior was horrible. Matt made a mistake. Amy made that mistake into something horrible that eventually divided the family and put a black cloud on the vacation.
Build a beautiful home and the kids think it is ok to break furniture windows and walls that is beyond bizzare. Zach is terribly disrespectful and Amy seems find with that.
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My point in making my point was not the age of the children I know they can be left alone at their ages. It was the fact that she manipulated her children to miss such a great trip with their father because she was angry with him. It is not the fact that she took the speaking engagement it was the fact that she took it during spring break which is usually family vacation time. I did watch it closely. Did you see when she was working on her daughter when they were cooking in the kitchen? She point blank asked her why she would want to go on this trip when she had already been to the Bahamas and it was all the same. Molly then replied "isn't it my decision to make?" Look at the smirk on Amy's face then. That was wrong! The point is she should have encouraged her children to go and been excited for them. Zach totally feeds off her and Molly feeds off Zach. As for the off camera fight with Matt & Zach...well Zach is one angry kid and is always sulking and complaining about one thing or the other. He has no motivation because his negative mother constantly involves him in things she should not.
Oh and by the way...Just for the record...Jealous of Amy Roloff? Crush on Matt? That is laughable. I have been married to someone for over 30 years who is in many ways like Matt Roloff. He has worked hard and provided a beautiful life for his family. The difference is I have appreciated and supported all his hard work. I have encouraged him and thanked him for building such a wonderful life with me. And lastly I sure do enjoy the heck out of the fruits of all his hard work! Amy is a negative complainer that does not appreciate all that she has.
Originally posted by JayeJae: Oh and by the way...Just for the record...Jealous of Amy Roloff? Crush on Matt? That is laughable. I have been married to someone for over 30 years who is in many ways like Matt Roloff. He has worked hard and provided a beautiful life for his family. The difference is I have appreciated and supported all his hard work. I have encouraged him and thanked him for building such a wonderful life with me. And lastly I sure do enjoy the heck out of the fruits of all his hard work! Amy is a negative complainer that does not appreciate all that she has.
Amy works 5 days a week being filmed for the show LPBW..so all this subservient "is skewed logic.
Does anyone have any new or original thoughts? Because this "taking sides" bit is not.
OK, lets not take sides for a minute. Its the same story as last season and the season before that. Matt and Zach get into it because sometimes thats what fathers and sons do. Amy comes to his rescue because again, sometimes thats what Moms do.
Bottom line here is Matt and Amy have to get it together to unite when faced w/raising teenagers--some of which have terrbile attitudes and ALL of which need help getting organized, cleaning up and focused......no one in the household, except for Molly, focuses on school. Zach made a comment that 3Ds were OK because they were passing? Not in my house! (and I have a 20 year old and an 11 year old--no way would 3 D's cut it!) No one punished him as far as I could tell.
Since this new season started, I just feel that Matt and Amy have become very divided when it comes to all issues, not just vacation or the kids, but down to projects on the farm.
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I don't believe Amy will stick to keeping Zach home on weekends due to grades. If by some chance should would do so, she'd allow him to invite friends over. The kids know she won't do it. Most of the viewers know it too -- Matt certainly knows it.
While I think its wrong, I understand Matt not speaking up. Amy would just shout him down and belittle him in front of his kids ( again ) and probably pit them against him ( again). Still, Matt should put his foot down and do what needs to be done. Amy will harp on him no matter what he says or does, so he may as well gain his self respect and the respect of his kids and take back his fair share of authority.
I think Matt is simply too kind hearted to really stand up to Amy. I've seen it before. One spouse over powers another spouse and the over powered spouse just gives up. I keep hoping one day we'll see Matt stand up to Amy and the kids.
He's a smart business man, yes, but he's not a fighter. Many smart business people let their family walk all over them. Doing business deals and dealing with your own family are two separate things.
Originally posted by JayeJae: Do you not know when their spring break is? Why would you schedule a speaking thing on their time off? Why would you not cancel this when you were made aware of the conflict in scheduling and put your family vacation first? Because you are the selfish one and anyone that has watched this show for any lenght of time knows this! Matt is a work horse and has made a wonderful life for his family. !
Maybe she intended to make it during spring break so that she wouldn't have to worry about making school activities and so on for the kids. You just complained about how Matt makes all the money and is a work horse, well now it's Amy's turn to chip in by doing this speech and make some money! If she would have canceled her speach, THAT would have been selfish!!!!! She made a commitment and stuck to it, good for her!
Mint...I work 7 days a week..so what! I am an ER Physician and do come when they call. But that is besides the point! Go Women!!! Matt bows out because he is a gracious man that has allowed Amy to take control of his home...which is not bad in most cases because a woman knows how to run her home. But in this case it has not been a joint effort.She rules. This is not good for the home. I do believe that they can get the help they need and will end up happy as a lark! But will they?
I find it hard to believe that an ER doctor would find time to post here--or that s/he would watch LPBW. Interesting.
The thing is that one has to acknowledge a problem first, then accept that each person in a relationship contributes something to the dysfunction. That hasn't happened yet. Lots of blaming the other person for personality faults rather than asking "What do I do to add to the situation?"
The Roloff's are still together, but it doesn't mean that the relationship is any better. One of the posters has indicated that this is he last year. Perhaps when the cameras are off, their lives will change.
this season has been fascinating, and the most "real" reality television that i've seen. the tension between amy and matt is obvious and the chasm continues to grow larger. it's interesting how easy it is to see mistakes other peoples' lives, and how much we could all benefit from having a camera pointed at our own lives to see what we are doing wrong. i wonder if after watching the episodes, the roloffs could see, as ritarig says, what they are each contributing to the problem, and how to work it out. i've really grown attached to the family through the seasons, and hope the parents can work out their differences. in the past, they've fought, but then would resolve the issues. it hasn't really been this season, and when they do say the "right" things at the end of an episode, it seems more hollow. as to the comment that this could be the last season, i would be very disheartened by that.
I read a recent interview with Matt, where he talks about whether their differences are played up by the show, and whether they are committed to one another or not.
He says he sometimes acts like a jerk, and Amy is sometimes harsh, but it's not constant, and people who have 'all figured out'...don't.
And says again, as he has said for the past two years, it NOT a definite that this is the last season. Some may be a bit of spin, but since he wrote his replies to questions, that is not as likely as if he were speaking aloud.
I hope TLC doesn't sit back and film the falling apart of this family. Amy needs to take a long good look in the mirror. She is dividing her family. They need a good therapist. She would have blasted Matt if he had scheduled a speech during Spring Break. But its ok for her to do it? I am glad Matt took the trip w/o her. I think he had a good time despite his health. I was proud of Jeremy for standing by his dad. Amy acted like a child when she high fived Zach for not going on trip. Most kids will never get to go on such a vacation. She should have been an adult an encouraged them all to go. Thats what a real christian would have done!
Originally posted by JayeJae: My point in making my point was not the age of the children I know they can be left alone at their ages. It was the fact that she manipulated her children to miss such a great trip with their father because she was angry with him. It is not the fact that she took the speaking engagement it was the fact that she took it during spring break which is usually family vacation time. I did watch it closely. Did you see when she was working on her daughter when they were cooking in the kitchen? She point blank asked her why she would want to go on this trip when she had already been to the Bahamas and it was all the same. Molly then replied "isn't it my decision to make?" Look at the smirk on Amy's face then. That was wrong! The point is she should have encouraged her children to go and been excited for them. Zach totally feeds off her and Molly feeds off Zach. As for the off camera fight with Matt & Zach...well Zach is one angry kid and is always sulking and complaining about one thing or the other. He has no motivation because his negative mother constantly involves him in things she should not.
I agree. You hit the nail right on her head. Since she has prior arrangements, you have as a mother would want all her children have a wonderful vacation. Shame on her.
Amy planing a speaking engagement during the kids spring vacation was not thoughtful of the family. She shouldn't be upset Matt made plans for the kids during this time. Being upset she couldn't go should have come from a place of not going to be able to see such a beautiful place, as she already took herself away from the family. She should have not brought the kids into her problem with the situation. She said it was Zach's decision, but he would not have had a problem with it, if Amy hadn't made such a big deal out of the situation, and made it about her. It would have been better all the way around if she told the kids she made plans while they were on break so Matt planned a trip. Instead of feeling sorry for herself, she could have been happy for the kids to experience such an awesome trip, been happy Matt planned an activity for the kids while she was gone, & was spending time with the kids. Seems to me that she doesn't like Matt involved. She says (complains) that she's basically done everything for the kids for 19 years, yet she gets upset when Matt tries to make decisions or plans things for the kids. She complains ether way!
I think that Amy is a manipulator. She has always been a complaining manipulating wife and mother. She constantly talks herself up and uses her kids to play against her husband. She obviously doesn't like her husband and she lives off of his money. She is too scared to leave him because she would have to fend for herself. This kind of manipulation has been going on in this show for years. I try to watch the show but I can never make it through an episode because how frustrating and annoying she is. I think that it is funny that when I women acts like this is a family it is called being strong. When a man acts in this manner it is called controlling and manipulative. what ever sex you are it is wrong to cause stress for your family just to make yourself feel important and you should never use your children as weapons.
I'm with others in that it's not about the fact that she went off to a speaking engagements it's the fact the she didn't want everyone else to go without her. She stood there in the kitchen telling Molly why would you want to go it's jus tlike the bahamas, well Amy... why are you so upset about it then? This is not hte first incident. I have always felt like Amy manipulated the kids against their dad. What she should've said as a mother was, listen kids, our schedules got mixed up, the trip is already planned and paid for, go with your dad and have fun. Instead she made into her own little us vs. them war with the kids against their dad. And she does this all the time with Zach especially. She plays Zavh against Matt all of the time and it's terrible to see a mother do that to her children. She can schedule all the things she wants and run the to every sport or event in the world but at the end of the day none of that matters, her family unit being split is a much bigger concern and she seems to encourage that.
Once again talk of its being Matt's money. It is family money, much of it coming from TLC where they are all contributors by allowing a film crew in their home, as well as the proceeds of pumpkin season when all the family works. When one person gives up work to be a stay-at-home mom/dad, it doesn't mean that the person working outside the home gets to say, it's mine. Amy is also bringing in money from her talks. All other complaints aside, it is a false premise that it's Matt's money.
I'm convinced that the concept that it's "Matt's money" will live forever. If they can go on a trip/remodel the house/buy a plethora of objects/sell pumpkins, etc...they are all "Matt's gifts to Amy".... and never mind that TLC filmed it, paid for it, and they all were filmed for it. Selective viewing, I guess.
All I will say is that what you see on the show is put there for a reason, this board is one of them.. Look at it from a producers eyes, if you have the ability to EDIT a SHOW before it airs do you not think if they see something the actually DO NOT WANT on the show they would allow it... The public just is melting in their hands. They are taking it to the bank.. Thanks world for buying our editing... It isn't live and YES they can edit sound but not video it is a big editing marvel. and you guys take it hook line and sinker
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ritarig: I find it hard to believe that an ER doctor would find time to post here--or that s/he would watch LPBW. Interesting.
LOL! You'd be surprised how much television is watched, books written and read and other interesting things that go on when things are slow. And remember all physicians have lives outside of their work just like any other profession.
Amy mentioned that they had discussed the speaking engagement prior to her accepting it. My guess is that Matt said they would not be going anywhere due to his business commitments, and then changed his mind. I did think that since Matt didn't mind rebooking tickets at the last minute that there was probably money for Zach and Molly to go with her at the last minute, but maybe the kids chose to stay home. Zach was 18 and Matts parents live close.
Originally posted by mythoughtis: Amy mentioned that they had discussed the speaking engagement prior to her accepting it. My guess is that Matt said they would not be going anywhere due to his business commitments, and then changed his mind. I did think that since Matt didn't mind rebooking tickets at the last minute that there was probably money for Zach and Molly to go with her at the last minute, but maybe the kids chose to stay home. Zach was 18 and Matts parents live close.
Mythoughts....the 'show' covered the trip. The places visited comped their fees for the advertisement..hotel..boat...tour. I'm sure it was no secret to anyone that Amy was to be away for two days or something. They have to go places and have 'conflicts' or there would be no show to see.
I'm curious how some of you know who pays for what, what money is received, and what bills they must pay. I keep reading that they don't have to pay for a phone bill, nor do they pay for a vacation. I'm guessing some must know far more than the rest of us.
Originally posted by coralsea: I'm curious how some of you know who pays for what, what money is received, and what bills they must pay. I keep reading that they don't have to pay for a phone bill, nor do they pay for a vacation. I'm guessing some must know far more than the rest of us.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!! For saying this. I am tired of people saying that everything that is afforded to this family is made from this TV show. Remember they do and did have a working farm prior to the show. Now we all know that there is compensation when you do a TV show but SORRY FOLKS..I haven't seen a bank statement have you. And, I hope all of this negative talk about Amy and Matt's marriage is also a nasty rumor. Don't assoicate with them what happen with "that other show". These individuals were both sneaking around with other people and just got caught..bottom line. Because you can best believe that they both thought about the money before they came clean...pimping your kids for $$ does have it's set backs! I glad their gone and Matt and Amy..GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!
Matt has said it himself in interview...if they are filmed..then TLC pays for it. He says if the family goes off on its own..of course they pay their own way. Even the once a year 'working' farm product, pumpkins, is filmed and shown as a show, for which they are paid. There is nothing negative about the obvious, who would donate their privacy to TLC?
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