I think the subject line says it all. This whole thing about Matts trip actually makes me sick. It makes me not what to watch the show anymore. I watch the show because it reminds me of being home back in Oregon. I live in Cal and miss being home. When i watch the show and see home and not just it being filmed in Oregon, but the way the Roloff family is that is the way a lot of familys are in Oregon. I guess it the way of life that people live in Oregon that helps raise use the same way. But it makes me sad to see Matt change because of the show and not only hime but Jeremy too. Amy, Zack, Molly, and Jake havr stayed the same and stuck by there Beliefs.
Matt has made things all about him self what about his wife and his family. When he planned this trip he was thinking about him self and only him self. That is sad for a husband and most of all a father. Even though Matt hurt Amys feeling about him not caring about her going on the trip.when Matt asked her to talk to the children about going on the trip she did and she did it in a optimistic way for the children and Matt.
Matt seems to be more and more for Matt not his family. I can't believe Matt still went on the trip and on top of trying to belittle Zach and Molly to go. Matt went as far as Buying Jeremy off and inviting his friend from school, then inviting his father the childrens grandfather, and his own old childrenhood friend to make sure that Matt was going to have fun and to rub it in Zack's, Molly's, and Amy's face.
What type of person much less a parent does something like that. That is really sad Matt, Sad . Don't you see how bad it was and what you did to your own children that is something you can't take back. Your own son called you out again when Zach said that it is Matt's life and we just have to follow along. If i remember right that isn't what a family is all about .
Amy stands next to you no matter what and that is what a wife does and not only that what a human being does. It's time you try being the bigger person, because you know that Amy is always the bigger person. ....
Way to go Zack for standing up for what you believe in. You are becoming quite a young man, you should be so proud of your self. Miss Molly you as well should be proud for standing up for what you think is right. You are becoming quite the young lady your self. My Daddy always said that any girl can become a woman, but it takes someone special to become a Lady. I know for a fact that you are becoming an amazing young lady. now Zach my daddy said to my brother almost the same thing for a young man. That any boy can become a man, but it takes a special boy to become a gentleman. That is what you have become Zach a gentleman you should be so proud.. Amy you are an amazing mom, person, and most of all what i like about you is that you are you and you don't pretend to be something your not. There is no fake about you that is what people love about you and your children. God bless. Mary
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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. If it was all about Matt thinking only of himself, then he would have went on the vacation by himself.
As for buying off Jeremy, I doubt that...considering he only allowed Mueller, his father and Matt's friend to come only after Amy, Zach and Molly said they weren't going to go. Jeremy could have done the same if he so desired as well as Jake...they were asked. Since the trip was already paid for, I thought it was a smart decision for Matt to find replacements for those who did not wish to go.
Obviously, there was a lack of communication on both Matt and Amy's part regarding scheduling, however, since Amy didn't ask Zach and Molly to go with her on her speaking engagement, you'd think at least she'd suggest to them it would be better for the family sake that they go spend time on a family vacation with their father rather than staying at home which they could do any time.
Obviously Amy's speaking engagement was far more important to her then spending vacation with her family, but I really wonder if that was the case or was she just getting back at Matt for not spending the entire vacation the other year with them when he went home to tend to the farm that had issues, but at least on his part, he spent some time with them on vacation...Amy didn't even make an attempt to meet up with the family after her speaking engagement...even when Matt offered to make arrangements for her to meet up with them!
As for the show being better off without Matt, sorry, he's part of the show whether you like it or not and without him it wouldn't be the same...the same as if Amy would be gone...look how much of a change there's been since Mike passed away...the show is missing his presence since he was seen as "part of the family".
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I don't understand why most of the posters seem to take one side or the other without acknowledging that both parents are at fault. As in most situations like this, it's the children who suffer. They are torn, as in this episode, between battling spouses. Not fair.
And, as for Matt and Zach, the world is filled with fathers and sons who don't get along. It is not an anomaly. My son and his father barely talk. Been that way for 30 years. Life goes on and boys find other men to bond with when their father is unavailable.
They certainly have the right to stand their ground on any issue. However, Matt who is and has been scattered on this show from the get go doesn't plan this trip intentionally to leave Amy. It was an honest mistake and he as always tries to make best of situation. To me, the divide and problems coming on have to do with Amy trying to create a divide in the family. She was loving it that her kids were going to miss out on that trip which is crazy. She should be ashamed. Most times I agree with Amy and feel for her but what she did here was wrong. She let her own feelings of missing out on the trip and anger at Matt hurt her kids... good for Jeremy and Jacob that they went...
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Did you ever seethe movie "The Bucket List"? Matt has a very short time to do things with his family before he cannot go anymore!! How many vacations have the family taken and Amy leaves Matt behind to go off with the kids- he accepts his limitations and tells them to have fun! Did Amy once stay behind or Zach with "The Family Vacation Arguememt" - NO, NEITHER OF THEM DID! Amy & the rest know about his condition. That show made me think about the bucket list because I have the #1 chronic PAINFUL DISEASE that there is no cure for called RSD/CRPS. I think I waited too long to fulfill some dreams because of lack of money. I always wanted to swim with a dolphin but justtyping this gives me pain.My husband even works at SeaWorld in Orlando FL. So, THINK ABOUT MATT who has had it tough all of his life. Amy hasn't and her father always on Matt's case! KEEP going Matt and shame on you Amy, Zach & Molly!
Originally posted by KimSG1: Did you ever seethe movie "The Bucket List"? Matt has a very short time to do things with his family before he cannot go anymore!! How many vacations have the family taken and Amy leaves Matt behind to go off with the kids- he accepts his limitations and tells them to have fun! Did Amy once stay behind or Zach with "The Family Vacation Arguememt" - NO, NEITHER OF THEM DID! Amy & the rest know about his condition. That show made me think about the bucket list because I have the #1 chronic PAINFUL DISEASE that there is no cure for called RSD/CRPS. I think I waited too long to fulfill some dreams because of lack of money. I always wanted to swim with a dolphin but justtyping this gives me pain.My husband even works at SeaWorld in Orlando FL. So, THINK ABOUT MATT who has had it tough all of his life. Amy hasn't and her father always on Matt's case! KEEP going Matt and shame on you Amy, Zach & Molly!
Matt's referred to "The Bucket List", maybe that's where the thought came from.
Matt made a major blunder.
In the end, it was a good trip and Zach's absence was good for the trip. Jake seemed well-behaved and he had a chance to bond more with Jeremy and Mueller.
I'm glad Zach had the time of his life exploring his area and playing basketball with freshman girls.
Arent people's perspectives on things funny? You can tell the people out there that think Matt is the only person that's wrong are young and foolish. Life is short . Zach is a mama's boy. He needs to grow up and realize he missed out on a huge opportunity to spend time with his father. So everyone didnt get to go. Big deal. The boys will be off to school (maybe one of them) and they wont have time or be interested in family trips anymore. I've lost both parents over the past few years and would give anything for one more trip with either parent. Do not take your time or loved ones for granted....
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YOU SAID IT ALL BIGJON09 ,ZACK AND HIS SISTER GOING TO REGRET THE CHOICE THEY MADE .AND YES ZACK NEEDS TO CUT THAT APRIN STRING AND GROW UP,OR SHOULD I SAY MOMA SHOULD LET HIM GROW UP.LIKE I SAID BEFORE IF I TALKED TO MY MOTHER AND FATHER LIKE THAT I WOULD BE EATING DIRT.
Matt is the father PERIOD. and as the father he deserves respect.
Amy is encouraging them to be disrespectful, and down right mean.
It's bad enough her kids are lazy SLOBS, but to add disrespectful on top of that?
Matt is like my dad was. A bit of a goof, good intentioned but the best of intentions usually go a-wry... loves his kids even when they are being jerks.
He doesn't deserve that kind of rude abuse from his kids. He gets enough from his wife.
When my father passed away, I came to regret every little outburst I ever made in teenaged frustration, and I wasn't as disrespectful as that little punk Zach is. His father won't be around forever. How will he feel looking back at these episodes when his father is gone and he can't say he's sorry for being such a punk?
Zach is the constant victim. He's lazy, he's unmotivated, he's rude, he's pathetic and his mother enables him.
But what I find the most pathetic thing EVER, not her enabling of his lazy victim attitude, but her ENCOURAGING disrespect towards his father, and her giddy happiness when things start to unravel for Matt, and when the kids hurt his feelings.
when she Zach manipulated Molly into not going on the vacation (even though she obviously wanted to go in the beginning and even mentioned that she disagreed with Zach near the end)...
Amy ran with this pathetic "ha ha Matt" smile on her face, to get Jake to manipulate him into not going. "You know, Molly and Zach aren't going. Do you still want to go even if they're not?"
That's child abuse... manipulating your kid, tearing them apart inside as you try to get them to choose between parents.
Well this episode bothered me. I really did not like the way Amy was acting. It was totally inappropriate of her to complain to her children about their father. There are somethings kids do not need to know and her anger and frustration was one of them. She is encouraging them to be disrespectful. It feels like she gets very angry when she is not the center of the family. I think she was less upset about Matt planning a trip then she was Matt having the kids to himself. She defines herself by those kids and treats them like they are her friends and gets her back up anytime Matt tries to parent or be involved. It was a classic example of needing to put your kids best interests above your own needs and wants and she failed. Miserably. Could Matt have handled it better? Yes. And Zach needs to be taken down a peg or two. That kid is entirely too bratty and full of himself. If I had ever spoken too or of ANY adult in the manner he speaks to his father I wouldn't have seen the light of day for my entire high school career.
I was appalled at Amy's manipulation of the children in this episode. She was downright giddy that Zach was going against Matt and she encouraged Molly to do the same...her constant reminders to Matt that SHE is the only one that has done the kids schedules and done this for them and that for them is bordering on martyrdom. You were the stay at home Mom Amy...that's what we do while the hubby is out slaying dragons making it possible for you and your kids to live in such a nice home on a nice spread of land. Matt really is unappreciated in this family and Amy's constant barbs at him and belittling of him in front of the kids is emotionally abusive.
Zach has something going on this season...he's belligerent and disrespectful to Matt and his troubles with his schoolwork and teachers is also weird. For a nineteen year old, he acts alot like a 15 year old who is going through some sort of teen age rebellion. Amy needs to support her husband and demand that Zach show respect to Matt...but then again, why would she when she doesn't have any respect for him?
As for Molly...why is she not her own person? I was surprised by her lack of gumption in this whole vacation thing. I guess I still don't understand what the big deal was that Amy wasn't going. Many families go on vacations where the husband takes one or two kids and a friend or another family member...no biggie. It worked out for the best ...Matt's father had a good time and the boys did too. If Amy and Zach had gone they would have spent the whole vacation whining and complaining about Matt. Yes, it's high time Amy stop enabling Zach in his rude, selfish, disrespectful behavior and own up to her own nasty and mean spirited comments and actions and be a more loving and supportive spouse
I was impressed with Jeremy's emotional maturity throughout this ordeal. He seems to have a good grasp of the family dynamic and seems appreciative of the time spent with his dad and grandfather. Jake would be well advised to spend more time with Jeremy and less time with Zach.
I have read the thought that Zach will be sorry when his father has passed. But that is not necessarily so. If someone has a poor or non-existant relationship, filled with bitter resentment as Zach seems to have, what is there to miss? He obviously does not like his father.
I think there is more to the story than what the producers show. We are missing a piece of the puzzle. JMO.
Originally posted by ritarig: I have read the thought that Zach will be sorry when his father has passed. But that is not necessarily so. If someone has a poor or non-existant relationship, filled with bitter resentment as Zach seems to have, what is there to miss? He obviously does not like his father.
I think there is more to the story than what the producers show. We are missing a piece of the puzzle. JMO.
Gotta be.
And I don't think Matt likes Zach very much either. He's sort of not the LP present Matt thought he was getting..in many ways. They are not similiar at all. Matt can spin it...Zach can't have a future as a salesman. Totally unalike.
Where was the outrage at Amy's genius planning of a 5 WEEEK vaction last year knowing full well that matt wasn't going to get away for 5 WEEKS. The only reason she can do that is because of Matt working and making money. Amy is a delusion spoiled little witch.
Sorry....but Amy works 5 days a week being filmed for the show LPBW. That's WHY you saw her taking the kids down the river to New Orleans. THAT's the reason you saw it, not because of Matt 'working and making money". There is no outrage..any that is realistic anyway..because this IS a tv show.
Like all parents, if Matt wanted respect from the kids he should have acted in a way that deserved respect. And he should have nipped the disrespect in the bud. The kids seem to feel he did neither. It's far too late now for Zach to be expected to develop respect now. And really don't many fathers and sons go through this as the son develops into his own person?
I agree with you,BigJon09. Zach was acting very childish. He will be an adult soon and family vacations are a thing of the past when your older and out of the house! Get used to it Zach!
Originally posted by treespryt: Like all parents, if Matt wanted respect from the kids he should have acted in a way that deserved respect. And he should have nipped the disrespect in the bud. The kids seem to feel he did neither. It's far too late now for Zach to be expected to develop respect now. And really don't many fathers and sons go through this as the son develops into his own person?
How did Matt show disrespect to Zach? The only thing Matt is guilty of is not double checking with Amy's schedule to make sure she was available that week. The thing is though, I'm sure Matt wasn't aware that Amy had a speaking engagement. Afterall it was Spring Break, and the kids would all be home from school, it didn't seem like the time that Amy would have scheduled a speaking engagement. Regardless, Matt did not do this on purpose. It happened and he had to make the best of it since the vacation had already been paid for.
Amy along with Zach turned this into a much bigger issue than it had to be. No child has the right to talk to their parents this way just because they make a mistake. In all my years I have never spoke to my mother in this way, and would never do so, no matter how much I may disagree with her at all times. There are just some lines you don't cross. Apparently Zach was never taught this. Sad.
He did make the best of it as he usually does. I don't know anything about their finances, so I would never presume to know who paid for what. TLC pays the Roloff's to do the show, so in some ways TLC does pay for everything, but that's not my concern. The point I was making was that plans had already been made.
Originally posted by iluvanimals01: I agree with you,BigJon09. Zach was acting very childish. He will be an adult soon and family vacations are a thing of the past when your older and out of the house! Get used to it Zach!
No such luck, The twins (and thier cronies) are all at PCC in Rockcreek. Less than 6 miles from the farm. TLC has filmed there too.
Matt and Amy are good parents who love their children and shower them with everything they could ever want, and that in itself deserves some amount of respect. They aren't perfect parents, most aren't, but they deserve to be treated with respect. They don't deserve to be attacked by their children.
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Coral, Material things aren't the truly important stuff a parent gives a child (as I'm sure you know). Matt and Amy have both failed to give the kids what they really needed. The kids may have been better in a smaller house,public school,no trips and no show but tons of one on one time with BOTH parents.
And, coralsea, I do agree with you that both Matt and Amy deserve their childrens' respect. They have provided them with a life full of possibilities...not all children are given such a great gift.
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Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless: Vacation paid for by TLC.
Filming the show.
I'd say he made the best of it.
After reading your reply it just occurred to me: People are jumping on Matt for scheduling the trip during a time when Amy had a speaking engagement planned, but maybe it was Amy, not Matt who screwed up. After all, the production crew followed him and the guys on the BVI trip, but no one followed Amy on hers.
I'm assuming, since passports, flight arrangements and chartering the boat have to be well planned out in advance, that the production crew and/or network knew about Matt's plans (and arranged for them), but not about Amy's in advance. Amy was blaming Matt for not checking with her schedule, but it seems to me that she didn't check what the production crew had in mind for that week.
Which makes me wonder if the entire conflict wasn't fabricated. HMMMMMM.
Rorie, I agree, and said as much in another post. I think it was Amy who made the mistake when she scheduled this speaking engagement for the kid's Spring Break. It makes more sense than anything else.
Originally posted by mintjulep_ageless: Vacation paid for by TLC.
Filming the show.
I'd say he made the best of it.
After reading your reply it just occurred to me: People are jumping on Matt for scheduling the trip during a time when Amy had a speaking engagement planned, but maybe it was Amy, not Matt who screwed up. After all, the production crew followed him and the guys on the BVI trip, but no one followed Amy on hers.
I'm assuming, since passports, flight arrangements and chartering the boat have to be well planned out in advance, that the production crew and/or network knew about Matt's plans (and arranged for them), but not about Amy's in advance. Amy was blaming Matt for not checking with her schedule, but it seems to me that she didn't check what the production crew had in mind for that week.
Which makes me wonder if the entire conflict wasn't fabricated. HMMMMMM.
She may not have checked what the production crew had in mind for that week.... OR the production crew may not have checked what SHE had already commited to for that week.
I do think a lot of conflict is fabricated. As someone said, and rightly, strife sells.
I've loved the show from the start but it seems that more and more they are all (except for Molly- shes seems to have her act together) acting spoiled and selfish. I would love to have the problem of going on vacation..anywhere... in the first place!
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