Does anyone else think she's terrible? She's condescending, and rude. I don't think she offers any valuable advice, so I seriously wonder why she is even ON the show. Too bad- this would be a good show otherwise.
I like Kirsten. I think she is knowlegable, blunt and wants to HELP the flippers do well. Three things these first time flippers need; who often are unprepared and unrealistic.
I often wish she'd make an additional visit besides the usual three, thereby probably preventing alot of the trouble the flippers have.
However, I suspect the show would not be nearly as entertaining without those additional oops, that her input would help stave off.
At first I didn't like her either. I thought she was rude and treated the flippers like they were morons. However, she hasn't really grown on me, but I do think she has some good ideas because a lot of them don't know what they're getting into. I guess it would be nice if she's tone down the attitude of knowing everything to being a little more sympathetic to the flippers. She obviously is a very intelligent woman, but coming across that way doesn't always make for good television.
i'd really like this show to be put online!!! i don't have time watching tv with the schedule tlc has set. too bad, tlc is missing lots of fans!! i don't care if Kirsten is rude, it's the information you can get from a show that counts. besides, she is HOT!!
I like Kirsten but I have never seen a show where anything she said made one bit on difference! This show makes it looks like any boob can buy a house, trash it, make it unsafe using the very poor labour and the cheapest materials, waste all thier money and still make 100 grand profit! If I bought a house that was flipped on this show and then saw how I was ripped off by overly eager, incompetent flipper-scavengers I would freak!
I think what happens is that people are pretty set in their ways and have a hard time taking advice from Kirsten. I think she has good suggestions in some homes. I think she hit it on the mark when she told that young coffee making guy to not put a loft in his living room. Or when she told the couple not to make the laundry room into a master suite. I think people just have a hard time taking advice, but sometimes they go ahead with their ideas and it turns out just fine. I still think her approach to the flippers is frequently too harsh.
I've seen all the 'flip' shows and think Property Ladder is primo! Wish I had a no-nonsense, business-minded, seasoned person like KK in my corner. Besides her babe looks, her intelligence is what makes her soooo doubly hot!
i have to agree with Tediam. All of you negative individuals must be out of your minds or just stupid! KK may say 1 silly thing out of 200. I've seen all the episodes and still watch them today. I'm a high-end cabinet builder, trim carpenter, owner, ya, lucky me! I put insane kitchen and baths in every home and it sells in a couple of days- EVERYTIME! I also do all my own work, no matter what it is. I make 100k dollar condos look better than your 600k home! KK says what it takes, it makes sense for the budget and the situation! Remember everyone has an opinion.
If you are in the real estate business in any way, you'll realize Kristen is right on the money. Her suggestions to flippers are to help them turn the property fast (which saves them $$) and make the most profit. Kristen tries to get flippers to see what potential buyers want in a home, not what the flipper would want in their own home. Flipping is all about the buyer. I agree that quality changes should be made and all safety matters should be addressed regardless of the cost and I think Kristen agrees. Kristen is imparting her wisdom and intends to keep the flippers REALISTIC. If you are not prepared, realistic, and tuned in to your market, you can "loose your shirt." Yes, it is TV so it is edited but I find it fascinating that the most successful flips on this show are those that follow her advice most closely and the least successful are those who don't pay any attention. Bottom line, if Kristen didn't know what she was talking about or add any value with her suggestions, she wouldn't be a very successful, career flipper would she?
EXCUSE ME? I think that Kirsten Kemp is actually really good at what she does and gives the flippers reallg great advise. If more of them would listen to her, they would actually make money
Who Cares, She is HOTT! I think she makes great points and i love the look she gives when the flipper says he is gonna completly remodel the whole house. Then when she asks about the budget they say 10,000 and that includes gutting the kitchen and bath. That look she gives is priceless. Oh, and did i mention she is HOTT!!?
I've watched about a dozen episodes. If I was to do a flip, I would take her advise 99%. Nothing is 100%. She does a great job. Most of the first time people she deals with are plain clueless, you can see it when she askes questions. They waste ton's of time and money. She's great at asking the tuff questions. You can see the looks on there faces, clueless!! I love the show, and Kirsten is hottie.
I have to agree with most of the posts below. KK isn't condescending at all, (you should see some of the shows over here in the UK) and I think that the advise she gives is well thought out and provides useful guidance to the featured flippers. Speaking of which, on the second point, (as mentioned by more than one poster), KK sure is hot, although she was upstaged by a mother/daughter team in California recently, (Melanie I think it was!)
Originally posted by legarrec: Does anyone else think she's terrible? She's condescending, and rude. I don't think she offers any valuable advice, so I seriously wonder why she is even ON the show. Too bad- this would be a good show otherwise.
No, she is fine. It is the fact that the flippers should read "Flipping for Dummies" before EVEN THINKING about flipping.
I was watching one of these flipping shows and the idiot who was flipping bought a new front door which didn't fit. His response: Uhhh I guess there are different size doors...who knew? ha ha ha
First of all.. last time I was on tlc's site they didn't have the discussion board for Property Ladder. So....YAY!
As far as Kristen goes... I think she is the hard voice of reality that the first time flippers need. She won't blow sunshine like some friends might.
Although I'm not a flipper (maybe one day), I have learned a lot. I'd keep a "book" of costs. High end, medium and low end appliance prices. Variety of tile prices. Prices on fixtures (high,med and low). And prices on how much it would cost to get stuff done (plumber, electrical, etc). And even with all that homework, I'd still welcome Kristen's advice.
TLC...produce more Property Ladder shows. I've pretty much all that are airing.
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KK is smart, successful, and frankly if she gets a little bit impatient with people who are totally green and still think they know better than she does... well so be it.
I like her. Heck, I want to 'be' her when I grow up.
I thought she was rude also but shes cool. I would rather someone tell me something in a rude manner than f*** up my money and project in the end.Yes most of the flippers have no clue what to do they just saw it before and want to try it.
She is not mean or condescending, she is just honest in telling those flipping idiots that they should expect the unexpected, don't just think of money signs, but potential risks that might come with the flipping a crappy home. However rude she might be, at least she making something out of herself with a TV show, I don't see ppl who oppose her have their own TV shows or sucessful/rich like she is. Remote control is in your hand, if you don't like her, tough, there are others who do enjoy her knowledge and expertise. Flipping is business, not for the fainted hearts, she does not need to sugar coat the reality for them. Not every flip show has to be nice, nice, it is what it is. Some of her advices are priceless, you can not even pay to her to tell you those in everyday life. As an experienced flipper, I am all for KK. I believe one should listen to someone who had made it. Critcising her show is best left for the people who talk the talk, never walk the talk.
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You obviously don't get it. Kirsten's great - attractive, knowledgeable, and successful. The gist of the show is to intrigue viewers by showing all the mistakes that flippers make. If everyone followed K's advice and didn't encounter any problems, the show wouldn't be nearly as interesting. The show is produced and edited to create a "tension" that draws viewers in, and K's great at this role.
Plus, I absolutely love K's attractive poses (watch the way she stands in the shots) and her suspect glances that they shoot as cutaways. This show is well done and K rocks!
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Originally posted by legarrec: Does anyone else think she's terrible? She's condescending, and rude. I don't think she offers any valuable advice, so I seriously wonder why she is even ON the show. Too bad- this would be a good show otherwise.
As a veteran flipper I am always amazed that the newbies blow off Kirsten's sage advice...I find her to be a class act with a ton of sensibility and style. I wish she would be permitted to wack dense wannabies on their noggins. Kuddo's to her she is always able to be above the fray.
I think the producers of the show must specifically look for people who won't follow Kirsten's advice (it makes for better TV). I think anyone with a modicum of common sense would jump at the chance to have her help and take her advice, yet most of the people on this show ignore her suggestions.
Here's the standard scenario: 1) People create a tiny budget based on nothing. 2) They come up with a laundry list of improvements that has no relation to the budget. 3) They encounter problems because they didn't get a home inspection. 4) They go way over budget. 5) They over-price the house to try to make up for the fact that they went way over budget. 6) They are eaten up by carrying costs because the over-priced house doesn't sell.
Kirsten is in no way rude. Are you serious? Maybe because she acts a lot like I do; upfront straight to the point, hold no punches and keep it real. She, as someone said, is that voice of reason. And I love the way she looks at these people who don't have a clue as to what they are doing or what they just did. How about that "I told you so look"? Love it. I think those that find her rude just have a problem with someone trying to help people avoid mistakes. I think the bottom line is if you're not going to take her advice, then you need to be doing more studying or shouldn't be in the game. I wish I had her to help me out. Mostly because she gorgeous, but I'd take her advice as being a novice. I agree, the show wouldn't be as entertaining if everyone did. And it only confirms when the flipper comes back to say "guess I should've listend to Kirsten!" O, did I say she is gorgeous?
I had to reply to this Kirsten is rude thing ... how funny she is so not rude I know this beacause I was on Property Ladder. She is on the show - she comes to the house it all of its mess .... Kirsten is a wonderful lady so sweet and SUPER funny ... we (and the crew)had a wonderful time. She gave me tips that worked out very well .. more important she helped me see how sucessful I could really be at flipping homes and the things to look for and wonderful tricks of the trade (IE: staining a fireplace), etc. She is wonderful......with any show the goal is to get people to keep watching if she was nice no one would watch!
"Does anyone else think she's terrible? She's condescending, and rude. I don't think she offers any valuable advice, so I seriously wonder why she is even ON the show. Too bad- this would be a good show otherwise."
boggles my mind. Never have thought she's rude, in fact she simply is in the role of Advisor/Referee, and deals in facts, figures, and expertise. Seems strange to me that anyone would think her rude.
I only discovered the show tonight and watched the "green flippers" show in simi valley. Frankly, my main criticism of her was that she wasn't tough ENOUGH with them about (a) the Air Conditioning issue and (b) the not-using-a-realtor issue. She was positively low-key and mildly suggesting rather than doing what I thought she SHOULD do---read these fools the riot act about how WRONG their decisions were.
I have the utmost respect for her expertise, but I'd never say, based on this one program, that she was in any way pushy or rude. If anything, I think her LACK of forthrightness verges on irresponsiblity on the show's part because it seems as if they're "letting" people make major mistakes that seriously hurt their financial futures--we may learn from those mistakes, and that may be "better tv" for the producers, but its kind of a rotten thing to do to let these babe-in-the-woods idiots screw themselves up this obviously.
I've been in the real estate business about as long as Kirsten has and though I mainly own and manage apartment buildings, I have "flipped" a rundown house and overseen dozens of renovations in New York City.
That said, I think Kirsten is dead-on with her advice. The types of people who invest all their savings into a business they have no experience in are strong willed and independent minded. It's not surprising they don't listen to her.
Of course it's idiotic to invest all your savings in something you have no experience doing, but that's what makes the show so fun to watch.
Trethan, I think you're right, but this is part of a larger phenomenon in our current age. Look at all the people who, with NO training or background and only a weekend seminar, do things like climbing mountains, voyaging into dangerous terrain with wild animals, sailing across the ocean, etc. etc. Consider how much MORE of your news every night is full of stories about stranded hikers, people bitten by or killed by animals or falls from peaks, etc. etc. etc. It is both the blessing and the curse of having all these channels full of "you can DO this! Its EASY!" bs. TV shows and all the websites with "simple" advice and "easy" instructions. Yes, the info is out there, and yes, the pictures are pretty and yes, the EXPERTS can indeed accomplish lots and teach well. But that does tend to inspire some folks with great optimism and self-confidence but NO COMMON SENSE whatsoever to dare the impossible...and find out WHY it takes expertise. Don't get me wrong--I do not advocate turning your entire life over to "experts" ('cause so many are so detatched from the real world and lost in their own self-delusions, too) but to jump off cliffs based on what you saw on the 'net or a TV show---figuratively or literally--is just plain NUTS.
Kristin knows her stuff and watching the show sometimes I just want to throw a shoe and some of these idiot flippers. The badly slate tiled floors, the solar panels, the no A/C. How stupid can some of the people be? Keep bringing it on Kristin. You're the best!
I think Kirsten shows remarkable restraint. She knows that some of these people are idiots, she knows that they'll ignore her advice. Yet she gives it and nicely points out their shortcomings and then counts on a raised eyebrow to say all the things she actually wants to say.
I would suggest that it is more than Kirsten recognizing these people as deluded....they are CAST that way. Many people surely apply to be on the show. They are probably compensated in some way for being on the show. The producers have a CHOICE of who they PUT on the show. Granted, they cannot foresee in advance what the outcome of the flip will be, but they CAN interview and judge the PEOPLE and surely they choose them for reasons of making "good television" whether they are "good flippers" or not. I suggest that they know that it is, in a slightly sick sort of way, more entertaining to watch a screw-up than a pro, and that they deliberately pick people with quirky personalities at best, and downright nutcases at the worst. Its not an accident. And Kirsten knows this, too.
Personally, I totally dig the one eyed raised eyebrow look! She is spot on everytime guys...everytime. I only wish I had her on my team if I decided to do a flip. You better beleive I would do ewverything she said. I amazed when no of the people listen to her, the one's with no expereince. Rememeber The woman in Santa Monica or Fung Shue dog stroker in Garden Grove (they didnt listen to one thing).
She is pretty but her saavy goes way beyong her looks. Raise those eyebrows all you want with me, I'll listen;-)
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Kirsten Kemp is TOTALLY USELESS!!! She does nothing to assist the flipper during the work and then tells them what they did wrong after they've finished. What good is she? If she's suppose to be an expert, why doesn't she help them out during the flip instead of criticizing what they should have done after they've completed the work? Useless!
This is television and this is entertainment. Kristen you are right on and most of us watching can clearly see that. Of course some of these knuckleheads the producers chose were picked for the pure entertainment of it all. However if someone like me, middle aged over weight and balding were hosting the show, it would not be nearly as interesting no matter what I said. So lets keep Kristen around and not toss her out with the unwanted but darn good looking cabinets.
There are people here who have there own idea of what the show should be about. If what they want is a neat and tidy presentation of home renovations done correctly watch This Old House, Hometime, Holmes on Homes,etc. The creators of Property Ladder saw what was going on in the flipping business and produced a TV show based on it. What they saw was a lot of people inexperienced in real estate investing, construction and renovations trying to make ridiculous money flipping houses. I think it's a brilliant counterpart to This Old House and Hometime showing how novices fail and succeed. Kirsten is not there to hold hands and walk people through a successful flip. That would be boring.
Having done a number of rehabs myself, I find that the advice given by Kirsten is to the point and accurately reflects what it takes to turn one of these around on time and under budget. There are a lot of cases where over kill or insufficient thought were what the flipper was showing, then Kirsten comes in and shows where the planning was non-existent (like the woman who was going to do a kitchen makeover for $200).
KK is doing a great job...I am an extremly ambitious individual hoping to be not just a MILL but a BILL or maybe first TRILL someday...I would pay any amount to a pro such as KK to see me through on my first flip. I would rather take frank advice from KK than to fall into a financial blackhole. I am person that you want to be a MILL or BILL bcos unlike most ppl that keep the money for themeselves as if to say they would go into their grave with it...I believe in giving back...building schools (state of art high sch 75 MIL), hospitals (stae of art 75-125+ MIL; imagine a free hospital with no charge for inpatient and visitation with volunteer doctors = 50%-75%+ saving on med bills). But first thing is first, I have to get stinking rich before I can realize that dream ;-)
How do ppl get on that show...I sure would love to get on tlc and try to flip, but with $0 savings, and like half a mill or more in loans tied up in the flip + an additional 50-100k+ of your own money for fixerups where in the world do I begin?
Btw, am a Nurse and can easily make 55-75k+ a yr so financing shouldn't be much of a prob since I can easily work flexible shifts around my flip if I need to. However, I just need to know for sure how much it would really cost to get all these appliances, contractor fees, and all so I know exactly how to budget.
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Originally posted by stbalor: Who Cares, She is HOTT! I think she makes great points and i love the look she gives when the flipper says he is gonna completly remodel the whole house. Then when she asks about the budget they say 10,000 and that includes gutting the kitchen and bath. That look she gives is priceless. Oh, and did i mention she is HOTT!!?
Originally posted by stbalor: Who Cares, She is HOTT! I think she makes great points and i love the look she gives when the flipper says he is gonna completly remodel the whole house. Then when she asks about the budget they say 10,000 and that includes gutting the kitchen and bath. That look she gives is priceless. Oh, and did i mention she is HOTT!!?
I agree totally........Kirsten is very good at what she does and is extremely HOT!!!!!!!!!!!
She is right to treat them harshly... I was never one for candycoating anything, and most of the people on hte show are idiots... and what really bugs me is that they STILL MAKE money... They can totally botch a job, cut corners... and still walk away with $70K... I busted my but till 4 am every morning for 6 months, and only made $30K... doing all the work myself.
I think Kirsten tells it how it is when flipping a house. I just gutted a house and built an addition and she lets you know about all the costs that you may not think about about. You have to remember that most of the people on these shows are new to flipping and they have NO IDEA of what to do (ie have a permit or not to remodel a whole kitchen if the cabinets and/or floors are ok) the people that do these flips are so unrealistic with time lines and unrealistic with their budgets! How can you disagree with her reactions? I wish she came more often to the flips than just twice, to share her opinion!
Kirsten is awesome, she tells it like it is!! Have you seen some of these guys who think that they can flip, it's amazing how bad some people can actually be at that and they don't even know it!!
Kirsten, if you read these, my wife & I are big fans and we watch you all the time. We think that you need to do some Updates on some of the shows, we want to know what happens to some of these peoples flips!!
Maybe do a few updates in each hour show. Just give a short flashback of what they did and then how it ended up!! That would be pretty neat to see!!
Originally posted by legarrec: Does anyone else think she's terrible? She's condescending, and rude. I don't think she offers any valuable advice, so I seriously wonder why she is even ON the show. Too bad- this would be a good show otherwise.
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Originally posted by chamas: Kirsten Kemp is TOTALLY USELESS!!! She does nothing to assist the flipper during the work and then tells them what they did wrong after they've finished. What good is she? If she's suppose to be an expert, why doesn't she help them out during the flip instead of criticizing what they should have done after they've completed the work? Useless!
legarrec and chamas.....Are you sure your names arent Sergio and Nathan? What idiots!
legarrec and chamas obviously do NOT know what they are talking about!!! Most of the flippers she deals with are people who had no business trying to flip a house in the first place!! Kirsten treats them like morons because they ARE morons! I am not yet a professional flipper, but even I wouldn't make some of the totally stupid mistakes some of these people made! These are the people that give flipping a bad name and should get out of the business. I don't feel sorry for any of them. It doesn't pay to be an Idiot!
Yeah. At first I wanted to hate her, too. She looks like the typical model-spokesperson who doesn't know what she is talking about. After giving her a fair shake, I have to say that I am VERY impressed. She has her act together and understands this business very well. Of course, this is a TV show, so the "flippers" are chosen based upon entertainment value- not knowledge. There is apparently NO shortage of stupid, get-rich-quick (NOT) whores out there ready to publicize their ignorance for a little fame/shame and a couple of dollars.
I think Kristin exemplifies the shrewd personality necessary to make it in this business. If her words offend you, remember that only you can make you feel bad. It is a fundamental psychological principle.
