I was wondering if anybody had taped the first Senior vs. Junior episode or recalled what the frame specs (downtube stretch or up, backbone stretch or out, and both neck and total rake) of Junior's bike was? I remember him saying them fairly early in the episode but now cant remember what they were. Thanks!

Hi,

don't know if u found it already maybe

found this...

http://www.occmotorcycles.com/WEB/OCC_WEB_OVERVIEW.pdf

I remember the production Black Widow bike and it was bloody ugly, i would rather have an off the shelf Exile Cycles bike by Russel Mitchel than any of the OCC bikes you can by and it would probably be a damn site cheaper as well IMO

Wow, those exile bikes look like crap. I can't believe you seriously think those look better than OCC bikes. They look like a kindergartner designed and put them together. I'd rather have a V-star or VTX than any of those exile bikes.

They're nice if you like no frills and big'ol balloon front tires.

If I did get an OCC production bike, I'd get the greenie, only in a different color. I don't care for the army green.