man,, you hardcore les lovers sure are a mean bunch,,all the insults,,im so hurt,,i did enjoy his show,but just for the comedy,does anyone remember the episode when he cut his wittle finger watching a monkey instead of what he was cuttn(think it was costa rica)he whined about it the rest of the show,me and my kids were laughing the whole time,and how he used his scooby doo underwear to bandage his self inflicted wound ,,priceless,,how bout sleeping all night curled up like a little girl under a tree cause he was too tired to make a fire or a shelter(good lesson there)he actually filmed himself flinching and jumping all night everytime something touched him,,also priceless,,,,,,how bout the time when he was in the jungle cant remember where think it was the amazon,,he walked in the water for days in his wet shoes and socks long enough to get foot fungus,and then all he did was complain about his feet and actually said he might have to call it off cause he had the feet fungus blues LMAO,now everyone knows not to let your feet stay wet,,well at least bear does,,like i said before survivorman is a joke,,MVW teaches you how to survive and you never hear him whine about his situation do you remember when bear got stung in his face and his whole head swole up(that was funny too)not only did he not whine ,he took it like a man and killed a rattle snake with his eyes half shut,,now cmon aside from all the running and jumping bear does who would you rather be stranded with a man or a wimp(les being the wimp)honestly
Then why did you ask, if you already knew the answer?
"painfull death from starvation"
Like Les starved and died during his year living as if it was 500 BC? Get a clue.
What I still can't figure out is why you are even here, if you don't like the show. It can only be because you can't get attention anywhere else...so negative attention is better than no attention at all.
oh yea doggonea,,if survivorman was a real life situation,les would starve to death,hes just conditioned to starve for a week any longer hes a gonner,,oh and 1 more subject id like to adress,,,i keep reading posts from the zealots,touting how real survivorman is compared to mvw,,yes bear has a camera crew and people around him and backup ect ect,,but so does les the fact that he films himself dosent change the fact that he has a entire crew with him at all times they just stay back a few hundred feet and he has a sat phone with him all the time so he can cry for help,what exactly makes him more real,,,nothing,,, they are both filming tv shows and are not alone
What I still can't figure out is why you are even here, if you don't like the show.
Obviously to cause trouble and ONLY to cause trouble.
If you review his posting history (all 42 of them), he has only posted here and on the Deadliest Catch forum and all of them are mocking or insulting or intended to get a rise out of someone.
For someone who claims to be a big BG fan, he has not once posted over on the MvW forum.
If he has posted over there, then he probably followed his same pattern of insuling someone and got deleted as the MvW forum is more closely moderated.
I reckon if we ignore him, he'll get bored and go away.
Trolls need the attention, otherwise it isn't fun for them.
I think Survivorman was an awesome show. I'm bummed that its over but you can't blame him. I'd hate to have a job where you are alone and starving for a week at a time.
Although I've come to see Man vs Wild as a different type of show. People get really made because they think Man vs Wild is a survival show. It's not. I try to look at the show more like it's similar to Jackass or Wildboys.. It's all one big spoof. Remember when he killed the skunk!?! I laughed so hard . Yes I know Bear sleeps in motels and gets massages between takes. I know that the animals he "traps" are provided by his crew. But who cares? It's not a survival show! It Bear versus the nature with the help of his crew. So Bear, go ahead and drink that blood , go ahead and get naked and jump into the frozen lake, go ahead do what you do. But if I ever get lost for real, I'll be follow Les Stroud's advice.
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Yeah that WAS part of the problem though, because Discover Channel chose to advertise it as a survival show. I watched ONE show and my only thought was "Survival? He'll get you killed"
And that was WELL before I discovered Survivorman. In fact, I almost didn't start watching Survivorman because I thought it would be like Man vs Wild. The only reason I did was because of a day when there was just nothing else at ALL that I would watch.
I also enjoyed the Science of Survival shows Les did, they were chock full of good info as well.
Those I've never seen. I've seen Les's shark shows, though I only watched them because he was on...it's not a subject I'm very interested in. And I've seen the show about Alaska, where he gets left in the ocean in a survival suit, and "falls" into an ice covered point while skiing.
Oh, yeah...and I've seen the one about the couple that got snow bound in the mountains, where he did things like cut the foam out of the car seats to make boots. THAT one was VERY interesting!
Farewell camper, i mean survivorman ive waited a long time for this moment. the show was always headed for disaster sorry but all the complaining was just horrable. and now i know i was right. holding cameras was just to tough.im sure there is a desk job out there for you. or ctoon nwork.farewll
Farewell camper, i mean survivorman ive waited a long time for this moment. the show was always headed for disaster sorry but all the complaining was just horrable. and now i know i was right. holding cameras was just to tough.im sure there is a desk job out there for you. or ctoon nwork.farewll
So get yourself 50 pounds of camera equipment and go survive harsh climates and put it on tv.
Then maybe you'll be qualified to call what Les does/did camping or easy.
again thank goodness its over. MANvWILD is another story. great show. bear is the best thing since popcorn. mabe eating bugs to survive and drinking poo for water is good advice to live. for some people who should not be in that position beacause you would die.
Bring back Les. Bear Grylls is a joke. Don't get me wrong Im sure he could survive because he was a member of English special Forces but his advice for the average person is not only wrong but it's dangerous. Only an idiot who is lost and alone would climb up or down a waterfall. Breaking a leg is death in that case. Of course Mr Grylls has his people with him so he doesn't need to worry. And cut the damn theatrics. Bear grylls jumps in an arctic stream catches a fish then eats it while its alive. Two minutes later he toutes how he needs to build a fire to dry himslef off and warm up. What he couldn't wait two damn minutes to cook the damn fish? And his helicopter dustoff maneuver? What the hell does that have to do with survival? He's a big showoff who probably has a whole team behind him to fetch him McDonalds afer biting the head off some snake. Phoney. Bring back Les
les has people with him also,they are just not in his shots,bear has a camera crew follow him,les has a safty crew a few hundred feet away,, no difference,, get over it people they are both filming tv shows and are not alone in the woods at least you dont have to listen to bear complain all the time about his cameras,les should follow his example
whadya mean proof,he admits it on the show,,hes talked about it several times,,he keeps a sat phone on him at all times in case hes in trouble he has said this on the show rewind your tapes,,remember the dogsled show when his safety crew came to rescue him hmmmm proof
Well i suppose the sat phone is because he is in remote areas, and his iphone might not get a signal,,,and the safety crew took hours because they had trouble crossing the frozen ocean that was unfreezing and had to take a longer route to get to him,,now your a bigger fan than me and i know that,,,,guess your just not to bright,,and just for the sake of arguement i will admit i dont know the EXACT distance they are away from him but they are there
Well i suppose the sat phone is because he is in remote areas
You're not thinking this through are you? If they are ONLY a few "hundred" feet away he doesn't NEED ANY PHONE. He could probably YELL and they would hear him. Try again.
"and just for the sake of arguement i will admit i dont know the EXACT distance they are away from him but they are there"
Now you're getting closer. Of COURSE there is a safety crew. If you'd bother to read and learn, instead of spouting off nonsense you would KNOW he has a crew available. Their distance away, however can be measured in MILES, not in FEET.
He's not out there to die for a TV show. Things happen, and yes, he has a crew he can call on IF he needs them and IF the satellite phone will actually get through. There have been times when it didn't.
But he is alone, with his camera equipment, doing the surviving AND the filming on his own. Unlike your hero, he does NOT have a camera crew WITH him. He has a safety crew, not a camera crew.
Now you've learned something. Got any more lies about Les you want to mouth off with?
Originally posted by doggonega: [QUOTE]Well i suppose the sat phone is because he is in remote areas
You're not thinking this through are you? If they are ONLY a few "hundred" feet away he doesn't NEED ANY PHONE. He could probably YELL and they would hear him. Try again.
"and just for the sake of arguement i will admit i dont know the EXACT distance they are away from him but they are there"
Now you're getting closer. Of COURSE there is a safety crew. If you'd bother to read and learn, instead of spouting off nonsense you would KNOW he has a crew available. Their distance away, however can be measured in MILES, not in FEET.
Okay, so if he has such a great safety crew then why when he and bob (I would like to see more men camping together!) were out they had to call the search and rescue choppers?
Originally posted by leshtr: Farewell camper, i mean survivorman ive waited a long time for this moment. the show was always headed for disaster sorry but all the complaining was just horrable. and now i know i was right. holding cameras was just to tough.im sure there is a desk job out there for you. or ctoon nwork.farewll
I don't know how you can call it horrible. I call it honesty. What do you think goes through those other guys minds? At least Mr. Survivor Man says what he's thinking (?). That is what it's really like, he's not doing a tourist guide.
Okay, so if he has such a great safety crew then why when he and bob (I would like to see more men camping together!) were out they had to call the search and rescue choppers?
You REALLY DON'T pay attention, do you? The Search and Rescue Team used the fact...on invitation from Survivorman productions...that Les and Bob were going to be "lost" to have a Search and Rescue exercise.
They do that, you know. They PRACTICE their Search and Rescue techniques. They train new people and dogs, they make sure they have a good search pattern. They took advantage of the Survivorman scenario to do some of that practice and training.
And they did it on at least one other show that I can remember, just off-hand. The one in the Sierra Nevada (I think it was) where Les's lost "scenario" was that of a hiker out for an overnight hike, who chose to come out a different route and got lost.
Okay, so no I don't. What I do pay attention to is certain peoples safety and well being and others tax dollars going to waste. Do I think legally they should be allowed to waste all those resources on a T.V. show? No, do I think they were justified in performing this high dollar rescue, yes.
The Search and Rescue Team used the fact...on invitation from Survivorman productions...that Les and Bob were going to be "lost" to have a Search and Rescue exercise.
They do that, you know. They PRACTICE their Search and Rescue techniques. They train new people and dogs, they make sure they have a good search pattern. They took advantage of the Survivorman scenario to do some of that practice and training.
You can't even make a 911 call that isn't justified without getting into trouble, but Survivor Man Productions can go around pretending to be lost and waste way more tax money? That's bs.
This thread seems to have turned into a debate on who is better, Bear or Les. So for those who think it is Bear I’d like to clarify a misconception and ask a simple question.
First I’d like to point out that Bear does NOT have a camera crew with him. He has a full on production team. I just saw a Man Versus Wild behind the scenes video right here on Discovery.com and it shows 8 or 9 guys and the director yells at more “guys” (plural) who aren’t shown. Yeah that’s right folks, there’s even a director who actually yells “ACTION”. Here is the video if you care to look for yourself- http://dsc.discovery.com/video...nging-in-panama.html
The question I’d like to ask is simply this. If Bear is the better survivalist then why does Discovery turn to Les whenever they do a special about survival? Les has done a show on urban survival, surviving Alaska, the SOS snow one mentioned above and a show about surviving shark attacks. I just started looking into Les recently so there may be more. From what I have seen Bear doesn’t do anything other than stunts for Discovery.
When I first saw Man Versus Wild I thought he was simulating the experience of someone with no wilderness skills at all. I’ve spent a lot of time in the bush (I feel safe assuming that those who support Bear have spent little or none) and can say with absolute certainty that if you have even just the slightest clue what you’re doing there is no way you’d struggle as much as Bear does. If he gets that beat up and has that much trouble even with a dozen guys to carry all of his gear I’d hate to see how he’d do if you put him in Les’s shoes.
Do I think legally they should be allowed to waste all those resources on a T.V. show? No, do I think they were justified in performing this high dollar rescue, yes.
Then you obviously think that Search and Rescue groups (who are largely composed of VOLUNTEERS) should not EVER practice their craft and techniques, I take it.
Look..the practices happen. What difference does it make it it ends up on a TV show or not? They're still going to practice, either way. So why not get some FREE advertising as a positive side-effect?
Just as Les shows that the average person CAN survive, so does the Search and Rescue benefit from TV exposure by showing people what it entails and how much work it is to actually find someone who it lost.
It's ALL positive...despite your sour grapes attempt to make it negative.
You can stop worrying about them "wasting" resources. In the episode with Les and Bob those were CANADIAN Search and Rescue groups. They didn't cost you a penny.
Originally posted by doggonega: Darn it! I knew I forgot something!
You can stop worrying about them "wasting" resources. In the episode with Les and Bob those were CANADIAN Search and Rescue groups. They didn't cost you a penny.
I'd really actually have to work for a living to truly care.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff_L: This thread seems to have turned into a debate on who is better, Bear or Les. If Bear is the better survivalist then why does Discovery turn to Les whenever they do a special about survival? Les has done a show on urban survival, surviving Alaska, the SOS snow one mentioned above and a show about surviving shark attacks. Bear doesn’t do anything other than stunts for Discovery.
I couldn't pick one that was "better". I just like Mr.Survivor Man because he stays calm and relaxed. He makes everything look fun even though it is perhaps one of the worst things that could possibly ever be happening. I think Bear should have gotten at least one of those spots, no matter who I'm more in love with, Bear is still very talented at what he does and would be an asset to the network.
I think Bear should have gotten at least one of those spots, no matter who I'm more in love with, Bear is still very talented at what he does and would be an asset to the network
Fine, great, wonderful...now please go peddle that opinion where it BELONGS...the fan site for MvW. This is the wrong place for it.
I think Bear should have gotten at least one of those spots, no matter who I'm more in love with, Bear is still very talented at what he does and would be an asset to the network.
I’ll add one to the list; I just realized Les was the host for the final episode of the first Alaska Experiment.
I’ll agree that Bear is talented at what he does; the problem is that what he does has little or nothing to do with survival. This is, of course, why Discovery never turns to him for survival shows. Bear is more of stuntman/adrenaline junkie. I’m convinced that the whole “survival” thing is just an attempt to broaden the audience which is unfortunate because giving potentially life saving advice is something you’d think Discovery would take more seriously. Passing out terrible advice to inexperienced people whom could someday find themselves in a similar situation is incredibly irresponsible.
I think Bear should have gotten at least one of those spots, no matter who I'm more in love with, Bear is still very talented at what he does and would be an asset to the network.
I’ll add one to the list; I just realized Les was the host for the final episode of the first Alaska Experiment.
I’ll agree that Bear is talented at what he does; the problem is that what he does has little or nothing to do with survival. This is, of course, why Discovery never turns to him for survival shows. Bear is more of stuntman/adrenaline junkie. I’m convinced that the whole “survival” thing is just an attempt to broaden the audience which is unfortunate because giving potentially life saving advice is something you’d think Discovery would take more seriously. Passing out terrible advice to inexperienced people whom could someday find themselves in a similar situation is incredibly irresponsible.
I actually mostly agree with you. I saw the Alaska Experiment and I thought he looked great hosting it.But really how many people are actually going to get themselves in these survival mess's? They really are for their T.V. entertainment and both shows were/are still way better then say, Dirty Jobs.
