Bear is more rugged, he will do ANYTHING to survive, where as Les is like a city boy who just red a survival booklet and hoped ito the helecoptor. And plus the whole time Les is whinning about how heavy the camera gear is, I have a solution, dont bring as much crap. And another solution, dont bring "extras" with you on the show Les, it makes you look whimpy.
I am a BIG Bear fan!!

Well Im sorry that I don't read an entire book on the guy, I'm not obssesed with him, unlike some people. Plus every thing you explained about Les, is exactly what bear does except he has nothing at all. To tell u the truth some people make survivor man look bad. Bear doesn't have a helicoptor to call if he doesn't feel like doing it any more. Not to be mean.

I'm not obsessed with Les, I just read a bit about him. And SM aired 2 years before MvW, but that doesn't matter. If they do the same thing, that just means it's what you do to survive.

How do people make SM look bad?

Bear does have a helicopter on call . . . he has used it to air lift him when he was allegedly sleeping in the wild. Plus, Discovery can't have a star of any of their tv shows to be out without any help, be it a camera crew with radios (Bear) or a satellite phone and two-way (Les). Discovery has to worry about their insurance companies which would require there to be safety teams on stand by.

well aparently this is a battle that no one will win. am I right?

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well aparently this is a battle that no one will win. am I right?

No, there is no battle, because they are two different shows. Or they should be. Eddie is not out there showing you how to survive.

And who is eddie??

ANY WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like MvW alot more!!! really don't care what you say SRY

Eddie isn't doing anything to survive. He is in someones backyard, with his big camera crew. He is rarely more than a mile away from any kind of civilization.
Les, he is actually out there, alone. Les coul deasily injure himself in the woods, and the safety crew could still take days to find him.
Eddie's crew is just in the backyard of some hotel.
Now, watch MvW, and tell me....how is any of that survival. It is running around in someones backyard, eating bugs, and jumping into sink holes with a life jacket on.
Now, explain to me HOW Eddie is better than Les

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Originally posted by animematt:
Eddie isn't doing anything to survive. He is in someones backyard, with his big camera crew. He is rarely more than a mile away from any kind of civilization.
Les, he is actually out there, alone. Les coul deasily injure himself in the woods, and the safety crew could still take days to find him.
Eddie's crew is just in the backyard of some hotel.
Now, watch MvW, and tell me....how is any of that survival. It is running around in someones backyard, eating bugs, and jumping into sink holes with a life jacket on.
Now, explain to me HOW Eddie is better than Les

First I don't think that Bear has a life jacket on when he jumps in a sink hole. It wouldn't really do anything.

But it seems to me that spats is just a kid that likes tv.

Did anyone notice that one of my posts on here is gone? It should've been the second post on this topic but it is gone . . .

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Originally posted by Bryan May:

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Originally posted by animematt:
Eddie isn't doing anything to survive. He is in someones backyard, with his big camera crew. He is rarely more than a mile away from any kind of civilization.
Les, he is actually out there, alone. Les coul deasily injure himself in the woods, and the safety crew could still take days to find him.
Eddie's crew is just in the backyard of some hotel.
Now, watch MvW, and tell me....how is any of that survival. It is running around in someones backyard, eating bugs, and jumping into sink holes with a life jacket on.
Now, explain to me HOW Eddie is better than Les

First I don't think that Bear has a life jacket on when he jumps in a sink hole. It wouldn't really do anything.

But it seems to me that spats is just a kid that likes tv.

Did anyone notice that one of my posts on here is gone? It should've been the second post on this topic but it is gone . . .

You're right. I was a little hot headed, I ment to say the river.
The post may have gotten deleted by a mod. Was it pretty harsh?
I have noticed there are like 5 threads with MvB kids complaining that Les complains.

Really...MvW should really have a HUGE disclaimer that it is only entertainment, and anyone trying what Teddie does will get you killed. Sure Survivorman is still mainly for entertainment, but it is much more informative

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Originally posted by Bryan May:


Did anyone notice that one of my posts on here is gone? It should've been the second post on this topic but it is gone . . .

Yes Brian, it's gone, luckily you were able to post it, I had a nice long drawn out post for spats , but it didn't even make it to the forum since I typed a keyword that signaled the forum police. Looks like my post received a life sentence without any prospect of parole.

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well aparently this is a battle that no one will win. am I right?

No, you’re wrong. This battle has been over for a long time. You, like many of BG’s more fanatical fans, just can’t accept that you’ve lost it. Honestly I can’t believe anyone could even debate this anymore. BG’s fans can spout about Les Stroud’s perceived decencies until they are blue in the face but at the end of the day the FACT of the matter is that he is actually out there doing the things that BG PRETENDS to do. “He will do ANYTHING to survive”, BG will do anything to get better ratings for his show and anything to impress those who have no clue what constitutes actual survival advice; to anyone else he just looks like a moron.

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Bear doesn't have a helicoptor to call if he doesn't feel like doing it any more. Not to be mean.

Not to be mean but, if you actually believe this then you have been totally conned by his show. BG has a helicopter on standby and has used it to shuttle himself and the crew from one shooting location to the next. If BG doesn’t feel like doing it anymore they just wrap it up for the day and head back to the lodge so he can get a decent meal and a good nights sleep so he’ll be well rested for the next days filming.

Whether you can accept it or not- Les Stroud has 100 times the experience in survival as does BG, Les has been a survival instructor and spent more time in the bush up to this point than BG ever will. BG is little more than an actor and really the only positive thing you can credit him with is his willingness to do his own stunts

Ok guys. Enough. I love both Bear and Les. They are very different individuals with very different backgrounds and talents. Bear was raised by a father who was an outdoorsman so he has had a leg up from youth. Most people didn't get the opportunites he has had. Also, him being sepcial force has given him alot of experience. But I will have to admit when I found out that they planted props and were not completely honest about the show that I was a little let down. I know they want the show to be interestig but to bring in a snake (and not tell us until the s**t his the fan) and then if now watch that same episode they now tell you they had it brought in or as in the case of the Everglades show. They re-edited this episode and cut out two parts of it. (the rattlesnake and him catching the baby aligator). Wow what a dissappointment. We always new he had camera people with him but until recently did not realize how much he really didn't build his own shelter, etc. Again in the original "Everglades" episode he never says anything about having the crew help him build the out of water shelter but in the re-edited verion he clearly states that his crew was going to help him finish this shelter. I will admit I have been disappointed by the deception. However, his abilities are real for any idiot to see and he is one tough guy who I believe knows his survival stuff. They just made bad decision to present it deceptively. So I'm glad they are being honest and the show is still extemely exhilirating to watch.

Now Les on the other hand is more like me. He is musician and videographer (which I am) but I have always been an avid horseman who trail ride in the forest regularly. Even though I did not grow up in a big city, I still had no one to teach me and to hike and backpack with, even though I was always a very outdoor type person. So I understand Les's passion for both the outdoors and for the creative arts. I have worked as a recording engineer and videogrpher for years but I would love to be able to do what Les has done. I admire the guy. I keep in shape by running 3 miles every other day and working weight 2x a week and I am a 5'3" Female and have played women's full contact football with NWFA http://www.womensfootballcentral.com/ (chick rock). But what Les does is actually more difficult than what Bear is doing because he has no camera crew, and no support team with him. Yes, he has a satelite phone in case of a real emergency but he goes out and stays for seven days which is more realistic of getting lost or stranded in a life or death situation. And he actually manages to make it. Not many would. Les is hilarious because he is not afraid to be real and make fun of own mistakes and to say I've never actually done this before. And as far as people putting him down for whining about the weight he carries. Unless you have ever hauled this video equipment around and videotaped hours of footage for just enough good stuff to make a 30 minute show. SHUT UP becasue you don't know what you are talkig about. The stuff is heavy and cumberson and not made to pack and haul around in a backpack. I just read a recent issue of DV magazine interview with Les (you can look up there website and read it online) and he has to carry about 50 90 minute DV to capture all the footage, set up all his own cameras without help. But his show is REALITY. He only has a few provisions, and is out there by himself and he is learnin as he goes. So I actually respect him more.

Let's give it up for both guys.....Bear and Les Rock!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by spats06:
Bear is more rugged, he will do ANYTHING to survive, where as Les is like a city boy who just red a survival booklet and hoped ito the helecoptor. And plus the whole time Les is whinning about how heavy the camera gear is, I have a solution, dont bring as much crap. And another solution, dont bring "extras" with you on the show Les, it makes you look whimpy.
I am a BIG Bear fan!!

Good post Wynn. Just one question for you.

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his abilities are real for any idiot to see and he is one tough guy who I believe knows his survival stuff.

If he knows his survival stuff, why are there somany errors in his show?

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If he knows his survival stuff, why are there somany errors in his show?

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If he knows his survival stuff, why are there somany errors in his show?

Because the name on his birth certificate isn't Jesus...and because he has enough confidence in his abilities and knowledge to let the world see that even experts can make mistakes, sometimes.

bear misled his fans into beliving that he did all that stuff IMO I have no respect for that at all.

Personally, I find MvW much more intersting. Surviorman is boring, it fails to keep my attention. I much prefer Bear. Not only does he have a better personality but he is also easy on the eyes (not that that should matter--but let's be honest, it doesn't hurt)

"Not only does he have a better personality but he is also easy on the eyes (not that that should matter--but let's be honest, it doesn't hurt) "

And that's why they are both on. I think Grylls is much less attractive, and I find his appearance, accent, and speech patterns annoying. Les, on the other hand, could knock on my door any day!

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and because he has enough confidence in his abilities and knowledge to let the world see that even experts can make mistakes,

There are two problems with this theory (I’m just going to ignore the “expert” comment or else there would be three). First- We’re not talking about the “whoops, I goofed” kind of mistakes; we’re talking about the “I have no clue what I’m doing” kind of mistakes. Second- If he is so confident then why are his mistakes never mentioned? Wouldn’t he be able to teach us more by pointing out his errors so we could avoid making the same mistake? The answer here is pretty obvious, you can’t point out your errors if you don’t even realize (or don’t even care, which is my guess) that you’ve made one.

I agree with bc . . . there would be no one here complaining about Bear's bad advise if he said something like, "Now I know you may want to (insert bad idea) but it is not a good idea because (insert reasons)." or, "The following should NOT be attempted in a survival situation."

I will address the "expert" part . . . I don't like the term expert period. I think people can be highly specialized, but expert to me means that the person would know absolutely everything about that subject. Which information is always changing so it would make it near impossible to become an "expert" in my opinion.

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Originally posted by doggonega:
"Not only does he have a better personality but he is also easy on the eyes (not that that should matter--but let's be honest, it doesn't hurt) "

And that's why they are both on. I think Grylls is much less attractive, and I find his appearance, accent, and speech patterns annoying. Les, on the other hand, could knock on my door any day!

I like your style!!!!

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it fails to keep my attention.

Well perhaps that is a problem with you. Not the show. When you find something boring, it tends to mean that you do not care about the content. If you need excitment when watching a show about survival (which ain't exciting) then you need to be watching a different type of show.