"I wouldn't be surprised if Les carries a SPOT satellite messenger since he does endorse them"
It would be interesting to know if he does, but I suspect not...since he already carries a Sat phone. Given that he DOES have a crew nearby the Sat phone seems a more realistic tool to have, since it means instant communications - assuming there IS a signal!
I do wonder, given the limitations of the Sat phone as he has mentioned, does the SPOT unit have the same issues with the Sat signal?
I do wonder, given the limitations of the Sat phone as he has mentioned, does the SPOT unit have the same issues with the Sat signal?
I'm curious about that as well, I could see Les carring a SPOT as backup, or pushing the "track" button at certain intervals as to letting the crew know that he is making forward progress without him having to stop and make a call.
Looks like I finally made a post without typos, double posts, missing words; the short "edit" time feature of this forum is definitely raising havoc with me.
Les is right now "getting sick in the bush" after trying to eat some tubers he cooked up. Now he is eating tiny snails and pretending it's a feast!! He should use his sat phone to order up some take out!! Boreal Forest on this trip, the place his friend Brian May says he knows so well. He has failed to catch anything in his deadfall ( not set right ) Question; If his strategy is to stay put till found, why is he "planning his escape" to hike out and find a road ? Trust me- this buffoon never spent a year in the woods, nice try. He cant bait a trap right, explain that? What did he do, grow vegetables ? We know he didn't eat fish, because he doesn't know how to catch one !!! He's trying to eat and old 'cat o nine tails' right now!! This guy is a real piece of work. I do not need to see his goofy face all of the time, he could save on the supposed 50 lbs of gear by leaving the tripods at the hotel with the "safety crew". He just pinched his thumb in the trap he screwed up, and he thinks it could be an emergency. He was also concerned about hypothermia, seems he forgot that his rain pants were packed away with his fleeces. It's now a beautiful fall sunny day and he is still complaining about the cold. He is walking for the highway. He just built a fire to keep the boogeyman away, ooooooohhh !! Next day, he lost for the second day, and the rescue crew is going to start looking for him. He definitely has a GPS by the way. Once again, your pal Les is nothing more than a poorly supplied camper with little knowledge of the outdoors, except what he has read and been briefed by locals about. Now he admits he is pannicking, the absolute worst thing you can do. He should not admit it even if he is. This guy could not lead a girl scout troop!!!!! I feel badly for anyone that takes any of his advice, for they could die needlessly.
P.S. I did not even mention Bear before, however at least he is legit. This tool Les is a fraud and he gives absolutely terrible advice to anyone dumb enough to listen. He seems more like a mailman than an outdoorsman. If he wasn't hunting or fishing, how the hell did he learn about the outdoors ? probably he was a mountain biker or something. around here we have a lot of men who meet in the woods, if you know what I mean, with the way Les likes showing himself naked, that is a strong possibility that is where he gained his vast knowledge of the outdoors !!
P.S. I did not even mention Bear before, however at least he is legit. This tool Les is a fraud
wow what are you ? lost in the woods for the last year and you just got out now..
did you miss all the news storys about bear staying at hotels and how his crew did most everything for him?
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Now he admits he is pannicking, the absolute worst thing you can do. He should not admit it even if he is.
maybe you should watch the episode over and see where les tells the truth again and AGAIN about his mistakes why? so you know that they were mistakes. but im sure you could have figured that out on your own,in about 30 years.
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Question; If his strategy is to stay put till found, why is he "planning his escape" to hike out and find a road ?
once again if you paid attention.. that is what the goal was at the start of the episode. if you listen you might learn something. but the way you go on with insults and such i dont think you listen to anyone but yourself.
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He definitely has a GPS by the way.
are you sure? have you seen it? can you back up that claim?
you might have had some constructive criticisms.. but
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around here we have a lot of men who meet in the woods, if you know what I mean, with the way Les likes showing himself naked,
if your not man enough to use the word "homosexual" then you might want to find a better insult.
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I did not even mention Bear before, however at least he is legit.
that ruined your entire attempt at bashing anything les has done on his shows.. bear.... legit.... ROTFLMAO
Originally posted by spats06: Bear is more rugged, he will do ANYTHING to survive, where as Les is like a city boy who just red a survival booklet and hoped ito the helecoptor. And plus the whole time Les is whinning about how heavy the camera gear is, I have a solution, dont bring as much crap. And another solution, dont bring "extras" with you on the show Les, it makes you look whimpy. I am a BIG Bear fan!!
Les Stroud is a survival EXPERT and TEACHER. He has been doing this for years, he knows what he is doing. Long before he got on the Discovery Channel, he was teaching survival. That was his job.
Bear Grylls is the city boy type. He fakes his videos, the evidence is in the other thread I posted a few. I could go on and on about this, but it would be like debating religion. You can believe what you want, but if you try to take advice from Bear Grylls, you might end up dead.
As for Les 'complaining' about the weight of his camera gear, you would, too if you were in the same situation. He does his show because it includes the things he enjoys, but there are always draw backs. 50lbs of camera gear isn't easy to carry around while trying to get camera shots, and then retrieve the camera's. In this aspect, Bear Grylls has it easy with his camera crew of about 15 men.
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Well Im sorry that I don't read an entire book on the guy, I'm not obssesed with him, unlike some people. Plus every thing you explained about Les, is exactly what bear does except he has nothing at all. To tell u the truth some people make survivor man look bad. Bear doesn't have a helicoptor to call if he doesn't feel like doing it any more. Not to be mean.
No, Bear doesn't have a helicopter to call in. He ensures he is close enough to highways and hotels to survive those cold winter nights.. brrr!
As far as Les having a means of communication to his crew, of course he would. He isn't going to die and leave his family in the name of Hollywood, how stupid would one have to be?
He's already said that his crew isn't WITH him, but near enough for him to be rescued if ever he needs to be.
Les also admitted when he found a freeway on the second day in Arizona, but didn't show it because it would have been a wasted trip.
Bear Grylls on the other hand would have you believe he is jumping across dangerous cracks in the ground, while there is a freeway barely off view.
If Les is such a pro, please answer these questions: 1) Why does he not know how to fish? I have never seen him catch one. 2) Why does he not know how to hunt or trap ? I watched him struggle with a figure 4 deadfall and when he finally got it standing he put the bait (beef jerky that Les bought and brought) in the wrong spot! 3) Why does he bring matches and food with him if he is teaching survival ?
I too think Les is a poser that has read a few bad survival manuals. He then travels to a location and a local survival expert tells him everything to do. By the way, big Les will then act on camera like he has known it forever!!
Call me next time Lester jumps out of a plane or climbs a waterfall. In fact, call me if you see Les climb to the top of a palm tree.
I don't like Bear as much as Les. I think Bear is a little overboard and I heard he used a life preserver to swim on the show! All in all, I have to hand it to Les, I respect him and find the show more realistic to life and survival situations where Bear is kinda of a show off. Don't get me wrong Bear is tough , but Les just is more real. I hope both shows continue and I'd like to see them continue to research and get better!
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"Call me next time Lester jumps out of a plane or climbs a waterfall. In fact, call me if you see Les climb to the top of a palm tree."
Well, I don't know about anyone else...but don't hold your breath waiting for ME to call. All of those are precisely the reasons I *don't* watch MvW. None of those are survival...they are stunts. And they are stunts that will get the average person KILLED.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I like Survivorman because I feel like I could do everything Les does. Les shows me what *I* can do...Gryls shows me what HE can do, that I CAN'T.
Originally posted by JDrew6666: If Les is such a pro, please answer these questions: 1) Why does he not know how to fish? I have never seen him catch one. 2) Why does he not know how to hunt or trap ? I watched him struggle with a figure 4 deadfall and when he finally got it standing he put the bait (beef jerky that Les bought and brought) in the wrong spot! 3) Why does he bring matches and food with him if he is teaching survival ?
I too think Les is a poser that has read a few bad survival manuals. He then travels to a location and a local survival expert tells him everything to do. By the way, big Les will then act on camera like he has known it forever!!
Call me next time Lester jumps out of a plane or climbs a waterfall. In fact, call me if you see Les climb to the top of a palm tree.
I've spent all day fishing, and get nothing but an empty hook with no bait. Turns out that I was using too large of hook for the fish that I was trying to catch. On the figure four deadfall, Les shows all the mistakes so the viewers know what they're in for. Les even admits that he forgot to place the bait in the correct spot also says that he got lazy and foolishly places the bait where he did. When Les goes to different locations that he's never been, Les will get information from the local experts which he constantly mentions in his shows. JD, please watch Les's "Behind the Scenes" episode the next time it comes on, it shows his appreciation to the locals, and it does not show Les trying to be bravado, which in the Boreal Forest episode he mentions trying to avoid doing such acts in a survival situation.
in the boreal forest he did make mistakes but he told us about it and we all learned from them. and he is naked to go into the water so his clothes don't get wet. why do we always have to defend Les from these guys Les has a wonderful show mistakes and all and he tells of his mistakes.
Call me next time Lester jumps out of a plane or climbs a waterfall.
well to someone who is looking for the best way to survive..
jumping out of a perfectly good air plane has NOTHING to do with survival..
its called a stunt. or showboating because someone has nothing else to offer.
climbs a water fall??
what is the water at the bottom not clean enough to drink? what reason would any sane person trying to stay alive in the wilderness ever want to try to climb a water fall and RISK HIS/HER LIFE NEEDLESSLY?
next you will be saying that the best was to get away from a bear is to run and jump off a cliff.
nutz_III i think you have been confusing man vs wild STUNTS with actual survival SKILLS. heres a hint.. if its moderately risky you want to think real hard before you risk your life alone in the wilderness.. just ask christopher mccandless
Originally posted by JDrew6666: If Les is such a pro, please answer these questions: 1) Why does he not know how to fish? I have never seen him catch one. 2) Why does he not know how to hunt or trap ? I watched him struggle with a figure 4 deadfall and when he finally got it standing he put the bait (beef jerky that Les bought and brought) in the wrong spot! 3) Why does he bring matches and food with him if he is teaching survival ?
I too think Les is a poser that has read a few bad survival manuals. He then travels to a location and a local survival expert tells him everything to do. By the way, big Les will then act on camera like he has known it forever!!
Call me next time Lester jumps out of a plane or climbs a waterfall. In fact, call me if you see Les climb to the top of a palm tree.
I've spent all day fishing, and get nothing but an empty hook with no bait. Turns out that I was using too large of hook for the fish that I was trying to catch. On the figure four deadfall, Les shows all the mistakes so the viewers know what they're in for. Les even admits that he forgot to place the bait in the correct spot also says that he got lazy and foolishly places the bait where he did. When Les goes to different locations that he's never been, Les will get information from the local experts which he constantly mentions in his shows. JD, please watch Les's "Behind the Scenes" episode the next time it comes on, it shows his appreciation to the locals, and it does not show Les trying to be bravado, which in the Boreal Forest episode he mentions trying to avoid doing such acts in a survival situation.
What's funny is that in the MvW re-edited shows, it's clear that Bear can't catch fish either. Alps? Nope. Alaska? No, but a crew member did.
What's funny is that in the MvW re-edited shows, it's clear that Bear can't catch fish either. Alps? Nope. Alaska? No, but a crew member did.
I keep reading about Bear having reedited shows, since I've only watched 1 1/2 of his shows when he first debuted, can someone enlighten me on how many of Bear's shows have been reedited? I don't read about Les reediting his shows, I doubt that he has, but if someone can say otherwise, please inform me.
Originally posted by Bryan May: They re-edited the whole first season . . . not sure if there were any season two re-edits . . .
Thanks Bryan, since I'm an avid Bear watcher , maybe you can tell me if the edit work done was for one or two small scenes per show, or did every show had to have a major overhaul done to it.
Originally posted by Bryan May: They re-edited the whole first season . . . not sure if there were any season two re-edits . . .
Thanks Bryan, since I'm an avid Bear watcher , maybe you can tell me if the edit work done was for one or two small scenes per show, or did every show had to have a major overhaul done to it.
In some places it's just a re-done voice over like "the crew helped build/catch XXX" or "I won't be spending the entire night in the shelter." Some scenes are trimmed, some scenes are cut entirely and replaced. I'll say most of the animal catching and shelter building scenes have been edited in some way.
And they cut out the whole "Bear returns to civilization" thing at the end.
Bear Grylls doesn't show us how one would survive on his or her own, he shows us how a guy with a funny accent can run around in the wilderness with his camera crew helping him along the way staging everything he does.
The crew catches all, if any, of the wildlife Bear presents on his show, and builds the rafts he rides on.
Not only that, Bear spends nights in hotels. It can be said again and again, but the Bear fans for some reason really do not understand the whole idea of a survival show. They want stunts, and that is all Bear can provide.
the Bear fans for some reason really do not understand the whole idea of a survival show.
I think it's because of the advertising of this show. They laid the brown stuff on thick, and it seemed the unthinking dimmers ate it up.
I saw an old promo bulletin from season one. It had clean cut Bear smiling and read:
A lost hiker is down in 12 hours and is dead in 24. Unless you're this guy. Bear Grylls can survive anything. Watch and you can too. Let's all Discover how to get out alive.
They're sense went on leave after hearing that. It's probably the reason, mvsw has'nt changed it's format and the promo's are still full of it.
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, maybe you can tell me if the edit work done was for one or two small scenes per show, or did every show had to have a major overhaul done to it.